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2013 and Earlier - Hyundai Sonata Prices Paid and Buying Experience

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  • Bought a new 2007 Limited for the wife on Saturday. Dealership agreed to pay off the trade at 9900 dollars (what they said my Beacon said I owe) Today we get a call that the payoff was 10043 dollars, and they want another 143 dollars. I've got a signed contract for 9900 dollars and don't want to pay any more. Do I have any recourse, or is their contract written in quicksand, while mine is written in stone?
    Also, they promised me floor mats with the car, and are now reneging on the deal, claiming they are not included with the car. True enough, they are not on the sticker, but I was promised them by the salesman, and got a we-owe signed by them, and they are included with the deal. They want 80 dollars for them (dealer cost 57, sticker price 85) according to Edmunds TMV. I agreed to pay half of 57, but now they want half of 80. Opinions please? I am just flabbergasted that they built such a good car with so many extras, and want to ding me to death after the sale.
  • miamixtmiamixt Posts: 600
    Interesting?. Beacon is just a numerical score, like a FICO score. I'm sure you meant your credit report. Over $143 they will not blow the Deal, but they already blew the Sales Survey if you get one, as well as any other additional revenue at that Dealership. You asked a great question about your rights vs the Dealers rights when it comes to a Contract dispute. Read the fine print on the back of their Contract, it will amaze you. However over $143 I doubt they would terminate your Deal, or take it to arbitration where they almost always win. About the We-owe-U, demand to speak to the General Manager if they give you any additional grief on the Mats, that is if they don't cancel your deal first. You have up to two months to request a Sales Survey from Hyundai. Most people don't know this. Make sure to bring this item up to them. My Dealer wanted an extra $1000 as my Financing rebate kicked. I agreed to half, and when I showed in person I just said no. Just say NO!
  • kyfdx@Edmundskyfdx@Edmunds Posts: 25,881
    If the deal says your payoff is $9900, but it is actually $10,043, then you owe the extra $143...

    If you have a "we owe" statement that says floor mats are included, the floor mats are included.. Don't offer to pay half of anything...

    Pay the $143 that you owe on your car, insist on your floor mats... then get on with enjoying your car..

    regards,
    kyfdx

    Moderator - Prices Paid, Lease Questions, SUVs

  • luvmbootyluvmbooty Posts: 271
    Invoice=$17,896 + Destination=$600 - $1,500 rebate=$16,996

    Has anyone negotiated below this? How much longer is the rebate going to last?

    Is the reason rebates for 6 cyls higher because of gasoline prices?
  • Shoulda bought in JULY like I did. I got a $22,000 V6 GLS with deck spoiler for an unheard of $16,495. Wasn't easy, but I got the $2500 rebates they offered then and a negotiated down price. They reneged on the trade in price but I had the cash to cover the difference and I later sold the old car for only $200 less than they had originally agreed to give me. I think the later you wait the more you're gonna pay. At least that is what I've read on these forums.
  • bobadbobad Posts: 1,587
    I got a $22,000 V6 GLS with deck spoiler for an unheard of $16,495. Wasn't easy,

    I got the same car (sans spoiler) for $16,600 from the same dealer. It was easy.
  • danf1danf1 Posts: 935
    The payoff on your trade in is your responsibility. Take them the difference or it will end up being a negative on your credit report as you are still responsible for the debt, regardless of whether you own the car anymore or not. As far as the mats are concerned, if you have a signed we owe form, then demand that they give them to you. The dealer may have made a mistake and not noticed that they weren't supposed to be in your car, but that is their problem. Don't offer to pay anything for them.
  • miamixtmiamixt Posts: 600
    You Dealers and Salesmen all think alike. Kim has a signed & completed sales contract. These numbers are not subject to revision once the Deal is consumated. In fact it was the Dealer who provided the payoff amount?. Isn't it up to the Dealership to verify information. In my case I was given to drive (sold), a brand new LX, and it took my Dealership 18 days to tell me my financing was not approved. Heck, I didn't even have a job. And speaking about Credit how could this wind up as a negative on Kim's credit?. That's like saying a merchant can just decide to change a price, and then go after you if you don't agree. Sorry Dan, I don't agree!
  • kyfdx@Edmundskyfdx@Edmunds Posts: 25,881
    The payoff of your debt is your responsibility.. Nothing in a sales contract states that the dealership will assume responsibility if the amount of the current car loan is incorrect. A lot of those contracts are written with the buyer giving the dealer the payoff number.. Surely, you wouldn't expect the dealer to swallow the difference if the buyer was wrong?

    That is why the contract stipulates all of the variables... loan payoff, trade-in allowance, etc..

    Though, I doubt this will end up as a negative on the buyer's credit report... The dealer can't sell the used car without paying off the loan... They aren't going to hold back $143 from the payoff check... that does them no good at all...

    But.. you owe what you owe on your old car... How can that be the dealer's responsibility?

    Moderator - Prices Paid, Lease Questions, SUVs

  • miamixtmiamixt Posts: 600
    I've never had a Dealer payoff on a Car, so let's say you're correct. However so many figures are discussed during the negotiation process that the Customer can be overwhelmed. How could this be the Dealers responsibility?. Well they did come up with that figure from the buyers "Beacon". I thought a signed contract that includes provisions for the payoff amount is similar to what you are offered on a trade in amount, always a very fluid ever changing figure until you sign on the dotted line?.
  • Bob I was pretty much addressing those people outside Acadiana who are having a hard time finding 06' models still in stock. The $2500 rebates may no longer be in effect.
  • danf1danf1 Posts: 935
    I don't expect everyone to agree, but look at it like this. I buy a watch for $2,000 on my credit card. I sell it immediately to my brother for $1,500. Does he owe my credit card company the other $500 or do I? If I don't pay that $500 difference will it end up on my credit?

    I'm not saying that the dealer will not pay the $143 just to make the problem go away, but they are under no obligation to. Chances are that they will if push comes to shove, and the money will probably come out of the salesperson's paycheck, as he or the finance person are ultimately responsible for the numbers.

    What your dealership did was spot deliver a car without an approval. That is a totally different circumstance here. Please don't be offended, I'm just stating facts here.
  • I just purchased my 2006 GLS V6 for $17,495 after the $2500 rebate. Edmunds invoice pricing does not include the charge to New England Hyundai dealers. The invoice was $20,431. Some other web sites I've seen the New England invoice price listed as $20,331. I have spoken to dealers in CT and New Hampshire. A Manchester NH dealer offered me the same car for $17,204 but I decided to save the cost of renting a car, fuel, food and end up paying about $200 more in Hartford. I investigated a warehouse club's auto buying program and their policy is a no-haggle $200 OVER invoice. I figured I would do better on my own, and I did. There are very few leftover 06 models left, and I was glad I found one in my first choice color. One dealer had NO leftovers, another had just 2, another only 4. At these prices it was cheaper to buy it new than to buy a used one with 15000 miles on it.
  • Miami Hyundai has 54 2006 Sontas in their online inventory. Why the difficulty finding them else where?

    I'm planning on buying in spring 2007. Ant idea when the deals for 2007s start to get real good?
  • Does $17,495 include all the tax and fees? I was offered $100 over invoice plus tax/fees from the first email quote. The dealer did mention about the low inventory of 06 model. Not quite sure about the final price I will get.

    I am in Ohio.
  • thedoethedoe Posts: 2
    I'm thinking of buying the 2007 Limited tomorrow after looking at it the other night at a dealer.
    What's the lowest I can expect to pay for the asking price? How about all those additional fees? They're giving me miscellaneous fees, not including tax, that add up to about $660. What's reasonable all told?
  • That price does not include taxes and fees. It looks like inventory depends on where you live. In CT at least three dealerships all claim to be CT's largest Hyundai dealer, and all three are sold out or almost sold out.
  • luvmbootyluvmbooty Posts: 271
    Just make sure when you buy, it's after tax return time. I read that it's the worst time and no rebates! :lemon:
  • danf1danf1 Posts: 935
    What equipment is on the car? Can you tell me what the fees are? Different states have different fees so it is hard to tell just by the amount what is reasonable.
  • Hyundai's website should tell you all the features of the LX model. The cars come pretty much loaded.
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