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Gas Saving Gizmos & Gadgets

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  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,931
    edited October 2010
    Lucas Oil? They make additives and when you add their "oil stabilizer" additive to your engine, you'll foam the oil. Not recommended. See The Story With Additives (Bob is the Oil Guy).

    I dunno, is Lucas yet another one of those MLM companies where all that's really being sold is the right to sell other shares to others? Do they also sell "male enhancement" pills like the Amsoil folks do?

    If someone invented something that works in their basement workshop, they'll patent it and license it to the majors, they won't try selling it on the Home Shopping Network. Not if they want to be taken seriously.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    I submit that "being taken seriously" has nothing to do with it. They don't sell through the majors because they don't want to get found out that their idea is a sham founded upon junk science.

    skywatcher1973, you can post all of the anecdotal evidence you want, only those that know no better (i.e. those with non-scientifically trained minds that want to believe) will pay attention. For the rest of us, we'll wait for the real scientific break throughs to be presented to the market at large before we spend our hard earned money.
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,931
    edited October 2010
    Or they saw Tucker or Flash of Genius and don't trust the majors. :shades:

    What's funny is that buying some of this junk can help your mpg.

    Gas-saving Gizmos and the Placebo Effect: Why People Claim Real Gas Savings From Methods That Can’t Possibly Work (Technology for World)
  • You really have never heard of Lucas Oil? I see that I can put a link on here so he is the link for the Lucas Oil. As you will see it is from a well known auto parts store! So no Lucas is not a MLM company!! So for someone that "knows" so much you really don't have a clue as to what's on the market today!! I think my point has been proven, so thank you very much!! Wow I was the one having trouble reading what was typed earlier, asked to have it dumbed down & then this happens. Man I feel GREAT NOW!!

    http://www.autozone.com/autozone/accessories/Lucas-Oil-5-25-oz-fuel-injector-cle- aner/_/N-262d?counter=0&filterByKeyWord=lucas&fromString=search&itemIdentifier=3- 69511_0_0_
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,931
    edited October 2010
    Perhaps you are just trying to sidetrack the issue, but yeah, I know what Lucas is. I also know that the only additive I'll put into my car is Techron, and that's only when I happen to buy Chevron gas. The rest of it gets categorized under snake oil until proven. I don't even believe that synthetic oil is worth it and it's "proven" to help fuel economy. Just not enough to justify the extra expense in my book.

    I'm sorry none of us regulars are excited to read about your experiences but we've been kicking this stuff around for just about a decade now and have yet to see anything worthwhile come down the pike.
  • We have a saying in my house when we disagree. It's "do you want to be right or do you want to be happy?"
    So my reply to you is I want to be Happy!!!
    Have a good time bye!
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    The next question is, "Do you want to look like a fool when you advocate products that are nothing better than snake oil (your miracle fuel economy additive and Lucas products among them), or do you want to advocate products that actually work?"
  • I am advocating a product that really works. Those #'s are real #'s! You believe what you want. My question is: How can you tell me that this product doesn't even work? You don't know what it is! You haven't used it before! So why run your mouth on something that you haven't ever heard of?? You may know alot, but you don't know anything about this product or anything about me!! I will stand strong in what I believe in!
    Oh & I haven't replied back because I stopped receiving updates on this, just thought I would check in to see what you were downing me on this time!
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    I am advocating a product that really works. Those #'s are real #'s!

    No, sorry, by definition your numbers are anecdotal and as such are anything but real.

    My question is: How can you tell me that this product doesn't even work? You don't know what it is! You haven't used it before! So why run your mouth on something that you haven't ever heard of??

    Ummm, I don't have to eat a dog poo-pie to know very well that, A) it won't taste as good as my pumpkin pie, and B) it won't be healthy for me. So why do I run my mouth, errr, fingers? Because after the billions of dollars (yes, billions with a big honking "B" in front of it) the world's automakers have spent on improving fuel economy, there is an absolute zero percent chance the product you're advocating is what you say it is. Why? Because if it was, said automakers would have long since lined up and paid big money to test it and to build engines that could take the greatest possible advantage of it. Said another way, it would be in near universal use world wide right this very minute.

    The above said, I do know what the product is, I've looked it up and Bobbie Smith should be thanking you for getting me to go even that far. The thing is, the internet hype around this product is straight out of the MLM/Snake-Oil marketing handbook, so much so that any studying of this product will generate more questions than answers and further convince anyone of any intelligence that this is just the latest in a long-long line of fuel economy scams to be visited on the motoring public.

    You may know alot, but you don't know anything about this product or anything about me!! I will stand strong in what I believe in!

    In many ways this world we live in is divided into two; a part that has religion and will believe blindly, and those that are atheistic and can only be convinced when incontrovertible evidence is presented to them, evidence that is verified by multiple non-aligned third parties. Long story short, if you want to believe this product works, you can easily make yourself believe. For my part I call “shenanigans” on your claims.
  • So my post is not here anymore the one where I asked what the name of the product was & who is Bobbie Smith? So why not answer those questions?
  • And I also want to know how can you tell me my product doesn't work when you have no clue what the name of it is & you have no clue "cause you haven't used it" if it works? You may know alot, but you don't know crap about me or my product that I am talking about.
  • texasestexases Posts: 5,423
    Unless you can post a link to tests by an objective laboratory proving mpg gains, you will have no credibility here. You may have seen what you think are benefits, but they are either caused by you driving more carefully or doing maintenance at the same time you started using this. Not one of these products has ever been found to work.
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,931
    The EPA tests some gizmos. The last one tested, Super Fuelmax, turned out like all the rest. They said:

    "The EPA concludes the following from the testing conducted on these two vehicles: the Super FUELMAX device has no effect on fuel economy or exhaust emissions."

    You can find the laundry list here.
  • This is not called Super Fuelmax. I can't send the info out to anyone in here as it is in a format that only goes through e-mails. I can say if anyone is up to trying the product to put all thoughts aside I would be willing to send it to you, not sure how to do it at all, but it's a thought. I am tired of going back & forth on this & knowing that it works. What other way can I tell you that it works? I mean really! To add to what I had happen to my car, I let my daughter in law use it too in her Jeep & do you know what? It is running better & no repairs, no upgrades, nothing!! She had the same thing going on with her car as I did with mine & now it isn't doing it. My son don't know how to fix cars & they don't have the extra money to go to get it repaired. If this is turned down I will just delete my account & go on about my business. No matter who sells the product, no matter who makes it, no matter what you say, if it works it works & I will continue to use it.
    I did read in my searches that this company is partnered with EPA Smartway Transportation Partnership not sure what this part of the EPA does, but this company is partnered with them.
  • Can you tell me what this means? From the EPA 40 cfr 79.21
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,931
    It's just a regulation for fuel additives. Registration of an additive doesn't constitute endorsement by any agency of the United States.
  • texasestexases Posts: 5,423
    Consumer Reports just tested a gizmo that looks identical to the 'current regulating' HS one. Guess what? They found it was WORTHLESS! Big surprise!

    As for our previous poster, I did a little looking around, turns out she's pushing this stuff all over the net. So she's not a 'satisfied customer', she's one of the scammers. The gas treatment is nothing special, the maker doesn't ive make the crazy claims, they leave it up to the 'satisfied customers' to do that...
  • zaken1zaken1 Posts: 556
    edited December 2010
    Texases; Thank you for the breath of fresh air. I've been hoping that someone would be able to cut through all the hype about that issue. And yet, according to the 'fact' that this scam device is being regularly sold by such established institutions as Hammacher Schlemmer and Heartland America; we also have a classic example of why sales figures have ZERO correlation to objective reality.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    *** Warning - Warning - Warning ***

    The troll called skywatcher1973 is back. Avoid using the products of this scammer at all cost; it's only purpose in life is to separate you from your hard earned cash.
  • we also have a classic example of why sales figures have ZERO correlation to objective reality.

    Late to the show... just saw this and all I can say is "AMEN."

    I've got someone trying to sell me on their program, citing the number of members, stating that "X number of people CAN'T be wrong."

    Well, in any scenario, this is statistically an impossibility, and the reverse is true - X number of people must be wrong.

    Let's say, for example (purely fictional numbers), that 20 million people look at the Toyota Camry. Of those, 5 million buy the Camry. Can Toyota say that because they have high sales numbers that "5 million people can't be wrong?" If volume is the major indicator of product quality, then surely the 5 million people ARE wrong, because 15 million people chose something else.

    I've heard this fallacious argument used a number of times in an attempt to "peer pressure" others, and always want to ask, if X million people CAN'T be wrong, please explain how X million people following Hitler was right. (extreme, but it does show that number of advocates does not relate to being "right.")

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