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  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,626
    edited November 2011
    "Doors rust off before it"...where do you come up with this stuff? All the folks we know with Toyota's, either 4 or 6 cylinders, just love their cars and have almost no complaints. All our previous Toyota's were fine cars though the brakes were not their strong suit. Some of your remarks sound,... well really stupid sometimes. I'm no genius here, but I'm dumbfounded by some of your automotive comments. Do you just make things up as you go along or what? I'm so confused here!
    And I'm not trying to be rude here either...so don't take offense!

    The Sandman :) :sick: :shades:

    2014 Hyundai Tuscon SE/2005 Mazda 3s/2008 Hyundai Accent GLS/2009 Nissan Versa SL hatch

  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,626
    edited November 2011
    Test drove the Focus last week and was very impressed...very impressed! And this is high praise coming from a strictly import buyer. The SEL in the aqua marine color with the stone leather thrones was an awesome looking ride, something I would buy tomorrow if I needed a new car. But I must agree with KD that the back seat room could be a bit bigger, especially for taller folks like my kids. Job well done Ford...I even bought some shares of stock in the company, this is how impressed I was! This will be a possible contender in 2013 for my wife's next car, absolutely on our short list!

    The Sandman :) :sick: :shades:

    2014 Hyundai Tuscon SE/2005 Mazda 3s/2008 Hyundai Accent GLS/2009 Nissan Versa SL hatch

  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    Yes, yes and yes. It was a Civic beater hands down. I think Ford made a nice niche with the 2012 Focus, I was impressed with it. And it comes with a lot of goodies, which, well add to the price. But you can at least get them.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    Only 28 in mixed driving?!? OMG, that's like, what, a whole 10% less than the EPA number for combined driving?! Is your son beside himself with anger and grief about Ford misleading him like that?! Maybe he could sue Ford for mis-representation!!

    :) ;)

    Sorry. That just kinda came out.
  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,733
    Toyota's V6s throughout its history have been rather hit and miss. Certainly nothing special. GM, especially, managed to always do better in fuel economy and power out of their same displacement models. In many cases, the Toyota V6s were only a little more powerful than their 4s. 30-40 extra HP out of the V6, yet slower to rev and another 250-300lbs of dead weight to the equation.

    The newest Toyota GZ series engines are good. But you really do want to avoid the older VZ (gutless and prone to mechanical issues) and MZ engines (sludge, other issues), which are in many models until 2006-2008 or so, so that affects a lot of CPO and similar models that people might consider without realizing that they are potentially getting into transmission (somewhat unavoidable) *and* engine issues as the car ages.

    But their 4 cylinder engines are great. As are their few inline 6 engines. And as for manuals, my last Toyota ate its input bearings and 4th gear sprocket at ~340K miles. $1200 for a brand new manual (not rebuilt) and I was good to go again. The clutch was $150 for the part.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,046
    >But their 4 cylinder engines are great.

    Isn't there a pattern of the 4-cylinder engines having head gasket leaks causing cooling system problems? The guy up the road that does off-the-record auto repairs in his garage gets a couple of those a year that he'll diagnose for friends.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    Pot stirrer! ;)
  • vhl71vhl71 Posts: 9
    I'm on the market for a luxury Car. I like the drive of E350 but hate the exterior design. Its too old for my liking. I like the E350Coupe as its a lot sportier, but with 2 kids, it's not practical

    Test drove A7, like the drive, but its kinda pricey (A6 - my wife doesn't like the look)

    Also looked at inifiniti M series, not too impressed with the price and what I get.

    Haven't been to the BMW dealer yet.

    Here is what we need:

    Something that looks great and sporty, all wheel drive, with reasonable power.

    Any advise
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,148
    S60 T6 AWD.

    Back seat is smaller than most, however. Could look at the S80, but it is due for a redesign. Volvo's interiors are better than Infiniti's.

    Also might take a look at the CTS.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    What is your budget?
  • vhl71vhl71 Posts: 9
    Around 70K..

    What do people think about the new genesis sedan?
    I read some good reviews on it comparing it to the a6 or E series.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    edited November 2011
    Try checking out the Genesis thread. You will probably get good advise there.

    http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/WebX/.f2336e3/0!make=Hyundai&model=Genesis&ed_m- - akeindex=.f2336e3
  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,733
    70k?

    Get a CTS and laugh at the idiots who buy big bloated road sofas with European badges. And save about 30K in the process, since you can get a previous year model now for about 35K pretty easily.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    I personally would stay away cpo cadillac, but that's me.
  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,733
    The CTS is a drastic departure for GM and is one car that is worth buying new. It'll handle better and go faster that 99% of normal people can deal with and it's a lot less expensive than Mercedes and BMW's offerings.

    No, it's no 3 series. But it handily beats the E class and 5 series in price and overall usability. Plus, repairs are a lot less expensive. Add in a good interior and looks that make it clear from two blocks away that you're not driving a jellybean-mobile. Remember the days when everyone knew what brand you drove a quarter mile away?

    It's worth a look at least.

    P.S. If you have that much money, there's also the CTS-V, but it's quite honestly a bit silly.
  • vhl71vhl71 Posts: 9
    Just talked to the dealer on CTS. The 3.6l AWD model with loaded option comes to about 61k.

    I"m in Canada so the prices are more than the US

    I thought 61k foe a caddy is a bit too much. I could probably get a A6 for around 70k. Or a BMW 535

    AnyWAY I'm going to take the caddy for a drive on Saturday

    What do u guys think of the price?
  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,733
    You can get the 3.0L model and save a TON of money. The 3.6 is a better car, but it's also completely absurd as well outside of Europe, since Canada has fairly low speed limits.

    The 3.0L has 270HP and is more than enough.

    For a 2011 CTS 3.0L AWD Luxury (quoted via truecar), it's $36,769. That's in USD, but it gives you a good idea of how much less you can get one for. For a same trim 2012 with the 3.6L engine, they quote $47,959 - a bit over $11K more.

    Based upon a few sites I found in Canada that were similar, you should be looking at about $45-47K for the same car in Canada.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    You didn't say new you said used. I would buy a new CTS with an extended warranty plan.
  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,733
    No, I said that you should find a 2011 model that's still not been sold. You never buy the newest year's model if the previous one that's still left on the lot is available for a significant discount. And GM does give pretty good year-end discounts.
  • I am trying to find a used sedan that gets good gas mileage and was thinking about a Honda Accord, due to their fuel economy and reliability.

    I have found a few '09 EX-L's that I would be interested in, with mileage in the low $20k's and prices around $18k. This would be with the 4-cylinder and I think 190hp engine.

    I have since read some reviews and noted that there are premature brake wear issues with this vehicle and there was even a class action lawsuit filed and won. This has me rethinking my choice.

    I have heard that there are remedies for the brake problem, but I want to know if the remedy is effective or not and what aI should ask the dealer about the situation. The sale people I have asked either don't know anything or they are lying and claiming they don't know anything about it.

    Does anyone have an information regarding this situation?

    Are there other "similar" cars that I would be better-off considering?

    Thanks for any help that you can provide.
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