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  • boomchekboomchek Vancouver, BC, CanadaPosts: 5,100
    I'd skip the Dart as well. In 5 years you'll be lucky to get $5k for it on trade. Just look at what 07 Calibers (Dodge's small car back then) are trading selling for. Actually look at what 10 year old Neons (SX 2.0) are selling for vs 13 year old BMW's. Even though you're getting an older BMW for the money it will depreciate slower than the Dart. Also expect a few hundred thousand Darts to go into rental and lease fleets for 4 years and once they come back onto the market the values will drop.

    I'd only get a Dart if it's on a dirt cheap short term (24-36 month) lease.

    Audi and BMW sounds nice but from personal opinion the 3 series will have better handling and reliability than the Audi.

    I have an 07 328i and absolutely love it. If you do get a 3 series I'd strongly recommend extended warranty or buying a Certified Pre Owned model with factory warranty that covers everything (bumper to bumper). It's well worth the money so much so that when mine ran out I bought another 2 years of warranty at the dealership I worked at. I've been in the car business and saw what problems can cost on these cars.

    With my BMW the only problem I ran into was a vavle cover and some that warped and some tensioners that needed to be replaced at around 100,000kms (60k miles) which would have cost me about $2k if it wasn't for my warranty.

    Otherwise the car's been great but maintenance will cost you more than a Dodge or Honda. Oil changes run about $200 here in Canada but they last about 9 months to 1 year. These cars also have runflats which are expensive to replace if bought from the dealer and there is no room in the trunk for a spare. These 3 series don't even come with a jack believe it or not.

    However the driving dynamics and handling are among the best of almost any car out there. If you do go for a 3 series, look for one with the Sports Package. These will have 1/2 inch lower suspension, different steering wheel, and deep bolstered seats, also among the best of any car on the market.

    Good luck!

    2007 BMW 328i Sports Pkg, 1993 Honda Accord EXR (my 33rd car).

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,621
    edited February 2013
    What about a brand new BMW 320i? It has a less powerful engine, but is still plenty of car. Lots of equipment. And look at this price I just copied from the BMW web page:

    34 mpg hwy*
    180 horsepower
    2.0-liter, inline 4-cylinder engine
    Rear-wheel drive
    $32,550 MSRP

    With new you get full warranty, plus BMW's free maintenance for 4 years. You should be able to get maybe a grand off of list, putting it close to your 30k mark.

    Or, you could get a loaded V6 Accord for that...
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 16,894
    Well, actually, we just traded my sister's Caliber SXT and it wound up working out pretty well for them. Bought it when they first came out for $16k, had it for near 6 years, didn't take good care of it, and traded it a few weeks ago for $4500. So roughly $2k/yr in depreciation. That's actually pretty damned good for buying new.

    Of course, it was a cheap car, which limits the downside significantly. I wouldn't suggest paying $27k for a Dart. I'm sure you are right ... that would hurt in the end. But loading up a car with options usually does.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '08 Town&Country

  • boomchekboomchek Vancouver, BC, CanadaPosts: 5,100
    Exactly. If you were to trade a loaded Caliber that had $5k of extra options it would probably have been worth about $5k-$5.5k. So a fully loaded domestic compact at full sticker will result in higher overall depreciation to to the higher initial cost.

    2007 BMW 328i Sports Pkg, 1993 Honda Accord EXR (my 33rd car).

  • Thank you for the advise. After reading some comments Ive concluded its either BMW or Audi for me. However I want a AWD vehicle which I should have noted in the original post, does the 320i have an option of AWD?
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,621
    edited February 2013
    Yes, you can get a BMW 320i with AWD, but it adds $2000 to the price, which puts you at $34.5k before options or TTL.

    What about a BMW X1? This is a really neat looking little SUV. Very good handling. A couple of thousand less than a 320i:

    My X1 xDrive28i Details
    2.0-liter, TwinPower Turbo, inline 4-cylinder engine
    xDrive, intelligent all-wheel drive
    See all standard features
    $32,500 - - spx
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,621
    The completely free maintenance for 4 years is a really nice added value with a new BMW. From their website:

    Compare the true cost of other luxury vehicles to the exceptional value of a BMW.
    With BMW you get a well-equipped model along with our no-cost maintenance program - and with many models, our no-cost BMW Assist™ Safety Plan - for the first four years or 50,000 miles. Not to mention a selection of vehicles that consistently receive top honors from the automotive press.

    It's a vehicle so advanced, it even comes equipped with peace-of-mind at no additional fee. So when comparing costs, a competitor's low monthly payment, may not be so low after all.
  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,225
    Your mpg requirement will go out the window with AWD as well. I'm amazed at the horrible mpg of many awd cars....not much advantage over trucks/suvs.
  • tifightertifighter WAPosts: 1,349
    I've seen used Infiniti G25x here in the bay area for $24k, and that was without shopping around. Could be another option.
  • bhmr59bhmr59 Posts: 1,598
    What do you mean by "extra options?"

    Won't any new car bought a full sticker have higher depreciation?
  • boomchekboomchek Vancouver, BC, CanadaPosts: 5,100
    By extra options I meant base model vs a fully loaded model with $5k of extra (base Caliber SE vs loaded Caliber SXT with every option). In the end it's still a Caliber and few years down the road they will be similiar in value, hence the fully loaded model will depreciate more than a base model.

    2007 BMW 328i Sports Pkg, 1993 Honda Accord EXR (my 33rd car).

  • If anyone can I really want to buy an altima found one near me for great price but with great price comes great risk can any help me check the vin? 1N4AL21E58N537839 if you can reach out to me I have a brand new daughter and want a good car to drive her around in thank you in advance! :confuse:
  • boomchekboomchek Vancouver, BC, CanadaPosts: 5,100
    You might as well set aside the money for
    a: a CarFax membership so that you can check more than one car you're looking at and
    b: a pre purchase inspection at a local mechanic

    Is this car sold privately or at a dealer? Did you see it in person?

    2007 BMW 328i Sports Pkg, 1993 Honda Accord EXR (my 33rd car).

  • Dealer... It's up in Phoenix and I'm in Tucson so wanted to see if anyone already had the unlimited carfax don't want to spend the gas to drive up if its not worth it :surprise:
  • dash5dash5 Posts: 417
    I need to start to research a new Sedan or SUV. Current car is having issues (transmission fluid leak) and that is strike two for it. One more strike and it's out so I'm starting to look now.

    Must have for the new car: quiet, smooth, powerful, stylish, tech, fits 2 kids, under 40k. BULLETPROOF.

    Quiet cabin: able to have a conversation at highway speeds. Isolated from road noise. I think of Mercedes Benz when I think of this.

    Smooth: Handles bumps in the road well, shrugs off potholes, not too firm without being 'floaty'

    Power: Hard to quantify, my car has ~270 hp / 270 ft/lb torque. 0-60 6.5 or so. At least close to that if not more. 300+ hp would be great but not a deal breaker.

    Stylish: eye of the beholder so whatever you consider a good looking car. Sporty, lux-sport, SUV, whatever.

    Tech: Back up camera, bluetooth, ipod connection, controls on dash, push start, auto lights, decent stereo. Would love a voice control system like Ford SYNC or similar.

    Under 40k. Ideally under 35k, or as little as I'd have to spend to get these features. Would consider pre-owned.

    Fit's 2 kids. 1 car seat and 1 booster seat.

    Oh I forgot one of the most important things: Bulletproof. Reliable, low maintenance. I dont mind taking it in for regular service, but I need to know things will (probably) not break.

    Any suggestions?
  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,225
    edited February 2013
    I think it would help a lot if you could narrow it down to an SUV or a Sedan first...there's a pretty big gap between some of your wants...for example 270-300hp in an SUV doesn't typically get you 0-60 times in the 6.5 range. In fact, SUV choices with that type of acceleration performance isn't common at all. The cash also doesn't go nearly as far on an SUV....$35-$40k is very low-end of the luxury scale. You'll even find some non-luxury brands pricing well beyond that.

    In the car world...I would look at the Acura TL with Tech pkg. I think it hits all your buttons and should ring up around $38k for new. All-wheel-drive is also available if that's something you found desirable about the SUV.
  • dash5dash5 Posts: 417
    Thanks Sebring,

    I would prefer a sedan but I just didn't want to eliminate an SUV. If the consensus is I'd need to spend over 40k to get those needs I'll have to consider it, or lease.

    I do live in the NE so I've been thinking AWD or FWD. The 2004 Infiniti G35 I had was horrible in the snow, that's my only experience with RWD.

    This would pair with my wifes Honda CRV so we already have a family hauler, but mine needs to fit 2 kids occasionally.

    A last note would be I dont put many miles on my cars. Sub 10k per year, usually around 8k.

    TL is a good suggestion and one I looked at last go around. Thanks!
  • So I test drove the Volkswagen Passat TDI SEL yesterday and really liked it. Felt spacious, nimble, and much more upscale than I expected. Much bigger than the Audi A4 which I thought was too compact. Fuel economy rocks. And the price was under $35k. What's the scoop on this car? Given that Lincoln seems unable to deliver the MKZ I crazy or s this a great alternative? :shades:
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,621
    What about the new top-of-the-line 2013 Accord Touring.

    Has adaptive cruise control, lots of other fancy features, a V-6 that gives slightly faster acceleration than a BMW 3 series, and Honda reliability—all at a list price of about $34k.
  • tifightertifighter WAPosts: 1,349
    The Accord V6 is fast, I think 0-60 is in the upper 5's. All the Touring is missing is the badge (another plus, IMO).
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