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  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    edited April 2013
    I'm looking for a midsized sedan with these features:
    Under $26K street price after discounts
    Do well in new small overlap crash test
    Keyless passive entry and push button start
    Backup camera
    Rear seat HVAC vents
    Bluetooth stereo streaming
    Remote start
    Well controlled road and engine noise
    Best possible initial quality and lack of interior rattling and squeaking noises

    2 cars that seem to best match this are the 2013 Nissan Altima SV and the 2013 Accord EX

    Advantages of the Accord.
    Small overlap crash test results are better (Good vs Acceptable)
    Prefer the looks of Accord inside and out vs Altima (but not by much).
    Side view camera is nice.
    CVT performance is more responsive
    8 way power drivers seat on Accord EX vs 6-way Altima SV
    Manufacturer's extended warranties are priced about $350 less for top end 8 years zero deductible option (Lower cost extended warranties imply better expected long term reliability).
    Maybe less depreciation (resale value dollar amount will surely be higher, but real depreciation cost depends on initial purchase price).

    Advantages of Altima
    Pricing is better especially since I can buy an SV without an unwanted bundled moonroof that comes with Accord EX (Accord LX and Sport are missing required features in my list). Lack of moonroof maximizes headroom and eliminates a source of rattles and future repairs).
    Remote starter for Altima SV is standard factory installed vs dealer installed at several hundred dollars for the Accord.
    Spit fold down rear seat much more convenient than Accord's one piece folding rear seat
    Maybe a bit quieter
    Maybe front seats a bit more comfortable
    Maybe slightly better fuel economy
    Automatic backup camera lens washer and blow dryer is nice to clear camera lens when obscured by dirt or raindrops.
    Headlights turn on with wipers
    Fill tires with air without need of a tire pressure gauge
    Nissan more experienced with mass production of CVT
    2013 Altima was released many months earlier than the Accord, so more inline fixes have been done and dealers will discount more since it is no longer so new.

    Both cars are first year models of new designs and both have had some 1st year issues that are still being worked on (stereo systems that freeze and need the car to be restarted to reset, CVT tuning issues etc). Maybe I should wait for 2014s for either one?

    I haven't checked on scheduled maintenance and insurance costs yet, so I don't know if one has an advantage over the other there.

    Anyone here have any opinions on these two specific car models against each other?
  • suydamsuydam Posts: 883
    We looked at both and eventually bought the Accord. They are wonderful cars and I'm sure we would have been happy with the Altima too. They are so close that I really think it comes down to personal preference and which features matter most to you. For us remote start wasn't as important. We liked that you get the lane watch and right turn camera on the Accord without having to get the nav. We preferred the drive of the accord and the somewhat firmer suspension. The Altima is very noisy when you first start to rev, and after a V6 I felt that would be annoying. Fuel economy is better with Altima though as it is a lighter car. We have friends with Altimas and they are very happy with them.
  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,225
    Have you driven them both? It's not clear from your post....but I agree with others that this comes down to which you like better. I've always been a Nissan fan from a performance standpoint...but they're really starting to flip over to a Toyota model of bland driving. I've NOT driven the new Accord but have driven a '13 Altima and I felt it was a step backwards from the previous model in terms of sporty/fun driving. The steering is too light but I've read reviews that the Accord steering is light also.

    One big issue for me is resale value, which you touched on. I don't know how long you plan to keep this but the Accord will likely not lose as much particularly in the 1-3 year window. Nissan puts a lot of these on the rental lots which is partly responsible for big drops in the first few years. Assuming the Accord continues their historical trend, they usually hold value very well even over the long-term.
  • igozoomzoomigozoomzoom Waleska, GeorgiaPosts: 790
    I definitely prefer the 2013 Accord over the 2013 Altima. The Altima is getting blander with each redesign and it kinda feels like it’s trying to morph into a Camry! =/

    I spent a weekend with a 2014 Accord Sport CVT a few months back (my bro-in-law runs the body shop for a big Honda/Acura dealer and he brought it home for me). I’m still not a CVT fan and I don’t think I ever will be, but I must admit that the Honda CVT is light years ahead of Nissan and any other I’ve ever experienced!

    I’m just excited that the Accord is a great car again. I’ve owned a few Accords and still have several 2005-2007 models in my family. I despised the 2008 model and it never grew on me. The 2013 feels, sounds and drives like a Honda. Enough said.

    In addition to the Accord, you should at least take a drive in the 2014 Mazda6 i Touring! It is a stunning beauty, inside and out. Ward’s Automotive just named it to their 10 Best Interiors of the Year and the reviews all seem to range from fantastic to amazing!

    It’s performance specs are virtually identical to the Accord’s and it has an exceptional 6-speed automatic transmission. The interior looks as upscale and attractive as the outside.

    A couple of months ago, I had to take our CX-9 to the dealer to have a headlight assembly replaced under warranty. They offered me a loaner and I asked if I take one of these babies....and they did. It was immensely comfortable, as quiet as my 2012 CX-9 GT (which cost almost $40k) and I was amazed by how responsive the new Skyactiv 2.5L and 6-AT felt. I never felt the need for more power, and I have a heavy foot.

    I was especially impressed by the quality of the interior materials and how well it was assembled. It was rock solid, even over moderate bumps or potholes or bad pavement.

    The Mazda6 i Touring w/ Touring Tech Package would get you all the features you mentioned above. It would include Push Button Start, Advanced Keyless Entry System, Bluetooth audio and phone connectivity, Rear seat A/C vents and it was a very quiet and smooth ride, even with the gorgeous 19” wheels! It also does NOT have a moonroof, which seems to be a plus in your book. The Remote Start feature is a dealer-installed Mazda Accessory feature.

    In addition to all that stuff, it also has a lot of other very nice features-

    Bose 11-speaker Premium Surround Sound audio system
    SIRIUSXM & Pandora capable
    Navigation System
    Voice Command for Audio & NAV systems
    Dual-zone auto climate control (w/ rear vents)
    Auto-dimming Rearview mirror w/ Homelink
    Driver’s side auto-dimming mirror
    Heated side mirrors w/ integrated turn signals
    Trip Computer

    And it also has some impressive and useful safety features-

    -Blind Spot Monitoring System (Accord EX also has, I think)

    -Rear Cross Traffic Alert (for backing out of blind parking spots)

    -Rain-sensing automatic wipers

    -Smart City Brake Support (SCBS)- under 24mph, it monitors for vehicles or obstacles in front of you, the brakes automatic tighten to provide the shortest stop possible, if no driver action is taken, it will automatically brake and cut engine power to avert or minimize a collision

    -E911 automatic emergency notification- in cash of collision or airbag deployment, it will automatically call 911.

    There are several other nice touches that also give it a very upscale feel. The steering-wheel, shift handle and parking brake handle are all leather covered, both front visors have auxiliary extensions, front and rear map lights and the center armrest slides to adjust. The power driver’s seat is also very comfortable and has manual lumbar adjustment.

    According to KBB, it is also the current Resale Value champ. Consumer Reports got 32mpg overall, compared to 31mpg for the Altima and 30mpg for the Accord. IIHS rates it as a ‘Top Safety Pick’ slightly ahead of the Altima, if you dig into the numbers. The Mazda6, Accord and Altima are all within a fraction of an inch of each other in every dimension, but the Mazda6 back seat has a longer cushion to make it more comfy.

    A Touring w/ the $2k Tech Pkg is currently selling around $25,800 according to TrueCar.com.

    I just bought a CPO 2010 Acura TSX V6 a few weeks ago, but I still may end up with a Mazda6 before the year is out. Within the next few months, Mazda is adding a 2.2L turbodiesel to the lineup and, if it’s as good as the reports of pre-production models say it is, I may not be able to resist....and I got such a steal on the TSX that I could easily trade it in without losing any money! Then we’d have a CX-9 and Mazda6....time will tell...
  • suydamsuydam Posts: 883
    Yes, we drove both numerous times. I'm a Nissan fan too. Had a Maxima before. I was surprised, but I think the '13 Altima is more mushy driving than my friend's '10. Although its lighter than the Accord it felt like a larger, heavier car. Accord felt more secure on the road. That's just my opinion. Resale is probably better on Accord but we keep cars a long time so not an issue for us. The Max was 12 years old. It was still running well and we got good value when we sold it. But we liked both cars WAYYY better than the Camry we also tried. We agonized a lot over it, but eventually chose Accord.
  • suydamsuydam Posts: 883
    I like Mazdas too. We didn't look at one because we are hampered by lack of dealer choice and service in our area. It definitely would have been on my list. That was another factor for us. If we move and replace our second car in a few years I will seriously look at a Mazda3.
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    edited April 2013
    Both are top safety pick plus rated, but the Accord's score was higher. I noticed the standard screen used for backup camera is bigger and brighter on the Accord than the standard backup monitor screen on the Altima. If you get navigation on the Altima, then the screen size increases. I will have to see this in person to determine if it is a problem.
    One advantage of fleet sales is that I will probably be able to rent a 2013 Altima somewhere and drive it for a full day or weekend rather than being limited to a 10 minute test drive of an Accord with salesman riding along.

    2014 Mazda6 is not really an option because you cannot get all the features I wanted (for instance, proximity sensor passive keyless entry) unless you get the maxed out top of the line model with leather and the crappy 5 inch TomTom navigation for around $31K.

    Mazda6 is also the newest released car, so it may have unknown quality issues since there are not many owner reports from people who have driven them more than a few weeks and a few hundred miles. Also, probably difficult to get good pricing since it was just released and inventories are probably very low.
    I'm looking for a car that has every feature I listed with a sales price under $26K after discounting.
    I plan to keep the car for around 7-8 years and might buy a factory extended service contract with zero deductible for about long. Toyota, Honda and Nissan are the only car manufacturers I've seen that even offer 8 year zero deductible warranties that cover everything except a small list of exclusions.
    I considered the 2013 Dodge Charger SXT V6 8 speed automatic for a day since that vehicle also had the features I wanted within the price rage (after big discounts plus rebates). It looked like a viable option until I looked at Chrysler's pricing for extended coverage and even at these prices, it had $150 deductible per visit. I think it was more than double the cost of the prices I found for even a zero deductible 7 year 100K mile service plan on the Accord and Altima. If there are massive discounts available on the service plans somewhere, I might look at the Charger SXT again. The fact that the Chrysler service plans are so expensive compared to the Japanese brands says alot about how much they predict will need to be spent on repairs during those years.
    Chrysler does offer a option of a "Lifetime" unlimited mileage service plan for even more money. I guess they are expecting many people to not get full value out of it because they will sell the car or it will get totaled and the warranty will be lost at that point.

    After 7 or 8 years, I'm not sure resale value of an Altima SV vs an Accord EX of the same mileage and condition will be that much different.
    Even if the resale value of the Accord is higher after 7 years, that does not make it cost less to own overall unless the difference in resale value is greater than the extra money spent up front on the higher initial purchase price.
    I have not driven either yet, so if I hate the way one drives or can't get comfortable in the seats or armrests etc or find some kind of deal-killing shortcoming during the test drive, then I will get the other car. If I like both, it will be mostly about the total cost of ownership over 7 or 8 years.
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    edited April 2013
    I just noticed the Tech Package on the Mazda 6 added the smart entry. I thought it was just the nav and you needed a Grand Touring to get smart entry. I don't like the Mazda 6's TomTom-based nav because TomTom map data and routing is poor in the US, plus the Mazda nav has been widely panned for sluggish performance, very limited voice commands and a screen that isn't much bigger than some smart phone screens. I can always simply not use it and use my phone for nav instead as long as the purchase price still fits my budget even including the nav.
    So, now I will shop the Mazda also and start monitoring Mazda forums to see what kinds of common problems owners have been having, if any. I like the looks of it anyway.
    I'll check on extended warranty costs for the Mazda also. Even if I don't choose to purchase an extended service plan, I will use the service contract pricing to gauge how confident they are about repair costs it will need during the coverage period.
    The cheaper the factory backed service contract is with zero deductible, the more likely I will be to buy the car. Less cost and less hassle
    of repeated visits to the dealer for repairs covered by warranty or not.
    The one thing I don't like about the Mazda 6 with that package is 19 inch wheels. I don't even want 18 inch wheel, much less 19.
    It looks good and people buy them for looks without thinking about the consequences.
    Much higher tire replacement costs.
    Shorter tread life, so you are replacing the tires more often.
    More road noise.
    Bumpier, rougher ride.
    Massive turning radius like a big truck.
    Reduced fuel economy.
    Increased risk of wheel theft (higher insurance?).
  • suydamsuydam Posts: 883
    19" wheels would rule that out for me too. Turning radius on both Accord and Altima is excellent. I don't buy extended warranties so that was not a factor. Our dealership has its own warranty program, a nice plus but that wasn't the reason we chose the Accord.
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    I was just browsing through a Mazda 6 forum and road noise was a complaint that was listed in a likes and dislikes thread.
    If it is noisy enough to comment on, it probably isn't the car for me.
    The "base" model Mazda 6 Sport has smaller wheels and may not be so noisy on the road, but it cannot be optioned up to even the level of an Altima SV.
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    edited April 2013
    The remote starter is another thing that is pushing me towards the Altima. It's not just that it's standard. but it is better integrated.
    On the Honda Accord, the dealer will charge about $700 installed AND it requires a separate keyfob to use it. I really don't want to carry 2 fobs for the same car in addition to all the other keys and fobs I need to carry in my pockets. One reason I want push start is so I don't have to worry about the weight of my heavy key ring on the ignition slot.

    I see that the estimated 60 month retained value of a 2013 Accord is 46% of MSRP vs about 40% for the Altima. If I pay a lower percentage of MSRP for the Altima and not have to blow $700 on dealer installed remote starter it could easily be a wash or even in favor of the Altima after 7 or 8 years.
    I could even get an Altima SV with convenience package and tech package to bump up the backup camera screen to a size closer to the Accord and have the price be around the same as the Accord EX which does not have available nav.
    I think the Altima purchased at the right price is going to win on cost even after resale differences. I'll only get the Accord if I like it a lot better and feel like the extra cost is worth it.
  • igozoomzoomigozoomzoom Waleska, GeorgiaPosts: 790
    Hi folks,

    I’m in a bit of an odd situation. A friend of my mom’s has a 2010 Infiniti G37 Journey 4-door and her lease expires in a few weeks. Initially, I just gave her some recommendations on certain models to check out and a few good lease specials that also might interest her. But now I’m basically her ‘wing man’ and I hardly know her. She is a very nice, classy, attractive 60-year old...but she’s also quiet, has a’dry’ or ‘hard-to-get-to-know’ personality, which freaks me out! My mom’s personality (and mine) are the polar opposite and neither of us ever meet a stranger (but my mom is a total sweetheart and I can be a real smart-@ss)...anyway, the most frustrating part is that she is IMPOSSIBLE to read based on facial expressions and body language. I feel like Agent Boothe trying to communicate with Dr. Brennan on BONES!

    But she has been very open and forthcoming in answering all my questions about money and a few delicate questions about her future plans and personal life. Long story short- her husband is a jerk and she is planning to leave him by the end of the year. I needed to determine her current financial situation and how a divorce will affect her cash flow. I also had to figure out if she would be open to some upscale cars that may not have a ‘premium’ badge on the trunk!

    She pays $497/mo for the lease on the 2010 G37. She was expecting it to stay close to same, just not over $500/mo. She cares more about the look, design and function than the brand name, which opens things up! And she drives like a librarian, so she probably has no clue what has been lingering under her left foot for the last 35 months in the G37. So less power is fine also....

    Her credit score is in the 780s and she owns a Physical Therapy practice that cleared over $200k last year. So qualifying for top-tier deals should not be an issue.

    I had her do some drive-bys to see several models today-

    2013 KIA Optima SX-Limited
    2014 KIA Sorento SX
    2014 Mazda6 i Grand Touring
    2014 Mazda CX-5 Touring/GT
    2013 Acura TSX 4dr
    2013 Acura TL ‘Base’
    2013 Hyundai Sonata
    2013 Hyundai Azera
    2013 Hyundai Santa Fe (both versions)
    2013 Honda Accord EX-L V6 (killer lease deal)
    2013 Volvo S60 T5

    So....she completed all of her assignments except she didn’t make it to the Hyundai dealership. But I was surprised (and impressed) that she took notes on all the others!

    She initially loved the Optima SX-L, but the KIA logo was huge and ugly enough to be a deal-breaker! I didn’t say a word to influence her opinion before-hand, but the KIA emblem is as huge as a belt-buckle and looks cheap! It ruins otherwise world-class designs...and my mom passed on the 2013 Sorento for the same exact reason, so it’s not just me!

    The Mazda6 was love at first sight! She liked it better than her Infiniti, any new Infiniti/Lexus/BMW or anything else. She saw it in SOUL RED and (amazingly, considering her personality) would want it in that color! If her, dare I say...enthusiasm, continues after the test drive, we have the front-runner right here! I’m curious to see what the lease payment would be for 36mos on a GT.....

    The Acura TSX was acceptable to her, but she thought the TL ‘Base’ was as boring and ugly as the Mazda6 was gorgeous! She also threw me another shocker- she liked the TSX Wagon best of all! Again, I didn’t say a word to her, but these are all my opinions as well. The TL ranges from boring to hideous depending upon trim level and I would pay MORE for the TSX before I’d drive a TL! I have a 2010 TSX V6, so I obviously love them....especially that Wagon!

    Honda Accord EX-L V6- kinda plain, but still classy and upscale looking; couldn’t find a single exterior color that appealed to her, but maybe she didn’t see ALL of them....and for $0 due at lease signing and $380/month for 36 months with 12k miles per year, she could learn to like dishwater-dull beige!

    The Volvo S60 T5 was the other near-ringer, 2nd only to the Mazda6. But all three local dealers have them in one of two configurations- Base T5 with no options in Ice White or Black Stone (the non-metallic ‘free’ colors) OR Premier Plus/Platinum with every option box checked and a $40k sticker price! Leather, moonroof and maybe even metallic paint would do very nicely on the base T5 and keep the price around $33k...but they don’t seem to order them that way....

    I still want to her to see the Hyundai models, especially the new Azera. I ended up renting one a few weeks ago and, I’m not ashamed to admit, my 38-yr old butt would join AARP right now if they’d give me one of these! Her only two complaints about the Infiniti are the (too) firm ride and low fuel economy. I was very surprised that the new Azera is NOTHING like the previous Azera! It handled somewhere between an old Buick and a parade float, even bouncing a bit after expansion joints on the freeway....the new car is very comfy, but firm and not floaty at all.

    I also want her to see the entry-level Audi models, perhaps the Infiniti CUV models and (even though I’m not a Lexus fan) we’ll ride thru the lot and see who falls asleep first from sheer visual boredom!

    What else am I missing??? Maybe the Nissan Maxima?
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    edited April 2013
    If she likes bigger cars, then the new 2013 Toyota Avalon drives like a luxury car and is much more sleekly styled than last year's design. She can even get a 40MPG hybrid model.
    If she doesn't need a big car, she may like a BMW 320i or 328i or an X1.
    If she really likes the Mazda 6 and is not bothered by the road noise on the highway, she could get that and save some money.
    She might like the Buick Lacrosse or even a Verano is she doesn't mind smaller cars.
    High trim VW Passat or Passat CC can be nice also.
  • igozoomzoomigozoomzoom Waleska, GeorgiaPosts: 790
    NEW Development....I’m very seriously considering buying her G37 instead of her turning it back in to the dealer!

    I’ve never seen the car before and I just assumed it was a Journey with Premium Package, like 99% of leased G37 models. I tried not to think about why she was paying $500/month for it and a 2013 can be leased for $299/mo....but I just got the answer about an hour ago.

    I had her scan and email her lease contract so I could check out the turn-in requirements and any nit-picking b.s. It stated the car’s MSRP as $44,470 and a discount of $3900 for a Cap Cost of $37k and change after down payment. But the Journey with Premium Pkg MSRP shouldn’t be over $38k...so she sent me a scan of the window sticker....it has EVERY freakin’ option available including the SPORT Package, NAV, Tech Pkg.....

    My mom had said it was Silver, but it’s actually Graphite Shadow, which is a plus for me! It has Graphite Leather with Real Maple Interior Trim.

    No wonder she thinks it rides too firm- it has 18” W-rated Summer Performance tires, 225/50 on front and 245/45 on rear AND a sport suspension package....duh!

    It has all of the following-

    Premium Package-
    Power Moonroof, 10-speaker Bose Audio System, Power tilt/telescope steering wheel, 2-position memory w/ steering wheel, mirror and seat position memory, Smart Key w/ seat/mirror memory

    Technology Package-
    Adaptive Cruise Control
    Front pre-crash Seatbelt System
    Brake Assist w/ Preview
    Collision Warning System
    Advanced Climate Control System
    Rain-sensing wipers

    Navigation Package

    Interior Accent Package-
    Real Maple Trim on Door Panels, Dash and Console

    Sport Package-
    12-way Power Sport Driver’s Seat
    Sport-tuned steering, suspension & brakes
    Solid magnesium paddle shifters
    Aluminum pedal accents
    Viscous Limited Slip Differential
    Sport front fascia, side sills and unique sport headlights
    18” Premium Alloy Wheels
    P225/50WR18 Performance tires (front)
    P245/45WR18 Performance tires (rear)

    The dealer has an identical looking one w/o Tech Pkg or Maple Trim for $28k. Her lease-end purchase option is $20,874 per the lease contract! So I can buy it at that price....right at $22,300 with tax, tag and title. I told her I’d buy it for that and put $1k toward the down payment on her new lease!

    This is so crazy! I just bought a CPO 2010 Acura TSX V6 on 4/13....two weeks ago yesterday! I love it but it doesn’t have the Tech Pkg (no NAV or Premium Audio) and this G37 is beyond loaded! I was fortunate enough to pay cash for the Acura, so I’m taking it to Carmax tomorrow to see what they will give me. If nothing else, I can finance the G37 until I sell the TSX....

    I’m going over to her house first thing in the morning (this morning now) to see and drive it! But I can’t see any reason not to go for it! She didn’t even realize how loaded it was and figured all G37s had those features...even though she didn’t use or know how to use a lot of them.....wow!
  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,225
    You may need to work something out with a dealer (carmax could probably do it along with buying yours) because most lease buyout are for the leasee only. So in other words SHE can buy out the lease (and pay sales tax on it or however your state works) and then sell it to you (and you pay sales tax again!). But if you work out the deal properly, you should be able to get a dealer to buy out her lease from her and sell it to you at a predetermined price and take your car in on "trade". They usually like to make a few bucks on a deal like that (i've paid $300-$500).

    You should probably find out what she could get on trade for her car and make her whole on the deal. I'm guessing she's got more than $1,000 in equity if she were to trade it in on her next vehicle. Then again...she may REALLY like you and not mind taking care of her sugar baby.....ha!
  • igozoomzoomigozoomzoom Waleska, GeorgiaPosts: 790
    After talking with two friends in the business (one is the GM at a Toyota dealer, the other is a Used Car Mgr at a Honda dealer), I think I have it figured out.

    I can add her name as co-owner to the title of my Acura. Then she can trade it in on the Infiniti and buy out the lease and have it titled in both of our names just like the trade-in.

    When I get the hard copy of the Infiniti title, she and I can go down to the County Tag office and have her removed leaving my name only on the title. If we trade the Acura (which has no loan) I can cover any difference to buy out the Infiniti in cash, so there won't be a loan complicating the whole thing....

    I already have 1mil/1mil/100k liability limits on my auto policy plus a $2mil umbrella on top of that. That will protect her assets during the time her name is on the title of the car I'm driving. If anyone questions any of these actions, I'll tell them she's my Cougar/Sugar Mama...until we remove her name from the title eventually, then she'll be the Cougar that chewed me up spat me out...give 'em something to gossip about!

    Trading the Acura would reduce the tax on the G37 purchase by at least $1350, so I'll give the $1k plus $1350 ($2350) to put down on the new lease. If she were to decide to go with an Acura instead of the Mazda, they also have a $1500 Conquest Bonus offer that she could get with her name still being on the Infiniti title....

    I talked to her just a few minutes ago and told her that it was easily worth $23,500 trade-in or more and I wanted to pay her what she would get on trade-in. But she flatly refused and told me even knowing that she could buy it and turn around and immediately trade/sell it for $3k more, she wouldn't go thru the hassle and paperwork! Did I mention that she made over $200k last year? Must be nice....

    Besides, she considers my time and effort in finding her the best new car fit and getting her the best deal on it very valuabele. I really don't mind doing it at all, but she seems genuinely grateful for my help! I don't think anyone has ever done that before..... =)

    So she feels that things are 100% equitable with me paying the lease buyout and no more. She says she won't accept any of the $2350 I plan to give her for down payment, but I told her that I'd be there with her and I'll hand them the certified bank check for $2350 when we walk into the F&I office!!!

    Of course, it is pouring rain here in Georgia today and thunderstorms for the rest of the day....I'm still going over to look it and drive it, but won't be able to really try it out until the roads are dry....dangit...
  • igozoomzoomigozoomzoom Waleska, GeorgiaPosts: 790
    "Then again...she may REALLY like you and not mind taking care of her sugar baby.....ha!"

    She and my mom were joking about that earlier on the phone and then mom called to give me a hard time about it.

    Let's just say that there is NO chance of anything like that ever happening.

    I'm trying to think of the best way to put this....

    I'm 1/16th Cherokee Indian and my best friend and I went to Cherokee NC to the Casino and Reservation several years ago. I wanted to meet an Elder/Chief who could give me my 'Cherokee' name, but we got tired of waiting in line after an hour or so. We went back to the Casino and started gambling and getting hammered. Once I had a good buzz, my best friend (since 7th grade, 25+ years) christened me "Dances With Boys" and in return, I named him "Flaming Arrow"....understand?
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 16,894
    LOL. I think you could have just said it bluntly, but thanks for the story. :)

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '08 Town&Country

  • igozoomzoomigozoomzoom Waleska, GeorgiaPosts: 790
    Well, you know that my people have a flair for the dramatic, so the story was the natural way to go....

    I have a cousin who loves to call me a "Confirmed Bachelor" and loudly ponders my plight at family funerals and other inappropriate times...in a thick Southern accent, "Jason, son, I'm starting to worry about you! You are 38 years old and it keeps me up some nights wondering when you are finally going to meet the right girl? And it breaks my heart that instead of being happily married with a few kids and rentin' that single-wide next to ours, You are still living with your college roommate in that big old new 4-bedroom Craftsman style home inside the Atlatna city limits with all the sin and evil right in front of you every day, almost like it's in your own bedroom....But I still have faith that Jesus has one picked out there for you somewhere....y'know, that cashier at the Piggly Wiggly, the one who had to go on Workmans Comp cause she was so fat she collapsed the stool at her register, I think she's single and she's lost almost 20 pounds, only 380 more to go and she can fit in one airlplane seat..."

    I kid you not, this happens out loud where others can hear it...I triple my daily Valium dosage (and chew them) during those warm family moments...;
  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,225
    Short story long...haha! Most women want a friend of your persuasion...so you could still be the sugar baby...just not much sugar.

    I think the title dance is a lot of work to get to the same place as a dealer just processing the paperwork for a nominal fee. I've done this numerous times and it's never been a problem.
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