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  • bdymentbdyment Posts: 548
    Isn't hindsight a marvelous thing. If you had been permitted to drive the 4 cylinder Malibu on a longer test drive, you would have probably purchased a V6 Malibu and been a lot happier. I"ll bet the gas mileage would have equaled or exceeded your present Malibu.

    Yes the Camry and Honda 4 cylinder engines are really smooth, especially the Honda.
  • djm2djm2 Posts: 705
    Hi bdyment:

    You are absolutely correct with regards to your comments. ----- BUT, GM advertises the 2010 - 4 cylinder Malibu as achieving between 30 to 33 mpg on the highway! ----- This is false advertising! ----- Search the "net," and you will find owners like myself that only get 27mpg. --- Once in awhile, you will find a person that gets 30mpg. (I would suspect that the owner runs the tires "Very Hard," or they have removed the Goodyear tires from the vehicle.) ----- I want the advertised mileage! ----- This is the vehicle that I purchased, and this is what I want! ---- Hindsight has nothing to do with the issue! ----- I did not print the mileage ratings on the MSRP sticker in the showroom, GM put those figures on that sticker! ----- Best regards. --------- Dwayne :shades: :confuse: ;) :)
  • tallman1tallman1 Posts: 1,874
    Actually, the EPA tests the mileage. That isn't GM's number. There is no false advertising in this case.

    There are so many variations from one driver to the next that it is impossible to nail the mileage exactly. Weather, location, wind speed, tires, car speed, etc. are also big factors.
  • djm2djm2 Posts: 705
    Hi Tallman1

    You are correct! ------------ Tires are very important with regards to mileage! ----------Dwayne ;)
  • chcatchcat Posts: 4
    Can someone list pros and cons for choosing "cooper" ? Seems as it's been listed in 10's best models for winter driving and gas efficiency is impressive...
  • tallman1tallman1 Posts: 1,874
    Are you talking about Cooper tires or Mini Cooper, the car? :confuse:
  • I have always kept the original equipment tires on the car until I need to change them and then can pick something else. My Cobalt with a 4 and a 4 speed transmission and the original Continental tires has gotten as much as 41 on the road -Prius territory. What is screwing up gas mileage is not tires but the lousy Ethanol they are adding to the gas. My Deville dropped from 30 on the road to 27. Most of the car magazines say that the 4 in the Malibu is just fine. I'm buying a new one in a couple of months and will definately get a 4.

    The local dealer is chargine $15,800 for a 2009 base model with 36,000 miles. A new one on Cars.com is less than $18,000. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to skip the 'Certified" ex-rental car. It saves having to buy a GM Protection Plan 3 year warranty plus new tires. Buying a certified Cadillac is smart. Buying a certified Chevrolet is stupid.
  • djm2djm2 Posts: 705
    Hi dispencer2:

    I see from your posting that you are considering purchasing a NEW 2011 Chevrolet Malibu in the near future. ----- As you know from my previous postings, I own a 2010 4 cylinder Chevrolet Malibu LTZ. ----- The vehicle is fun to drive, and the fit & finish are outstanding, but the engine performance leaves a lot to be desired! --------- The miles per gallon on the highway are not up to the advertised postings. --- (I only get 27mpg, and I have tried different brands of fuel and different octanes.) ---- The stock tires are "bottom of the line Goodyear tires" of questionable quality, and they do not hold air over time!

    SUGGESTIONS:

    Take a look at the 2011 - XLE 2.5 ---- 4 cylinder Camry. ----- It comes with a 8 way power driver's seat, and a 4 way power passenger seat, dual zone climate controls driver / passenger, the engine is a 2.5 with DOHC / VVT and rated at 169 HP backed by 6 speed automatic transmission. ---- The vehicle is rated at 22 / 32 MPG. -----

    I also own a 2007 XLE V6 Toyota Camry, and I get 30MPG easily on the highway. ------ On a long trip, my Camry has reached as high as 34MPG. ---- (The Camry can be had with Michelin Tires!) ----- I am sure that a four cylinder Camry can get the posted highway mileage! -----(Hell, I could have purchased a 2010 V6 Camry, and gotten better highway mileage than the four cylinder Malibu!) -------- (Just a suggestion!) ---- NOTE: ------ This is the last American 4 cylinder vehicle for me! ---- (I might purchase a V6 American vehicle.) ----- Poor engine performance, and lack of "state of the art MPG engineering," cheap original equipment tires, and what is more important "a lack of concern from the manufacturer" has turned me completely off! ----

    I think the better buy is the four cylinder Camry over the four cylinder Malibu. ------ (I WISH I HAD PURCHASED THE CAMRY four or six cylinder!) ----- Heck, I wish I had purchased a Hyundai of a Kia! ------- Best regards. ----- Dwayne :shades: :confuse: ;) :)
  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,738
    The way to solve the 4 vs 6 issue is to just buy a 4 cylinder Accord. The clutch is electro-mechanical without any actual linkage, so it is literally as precise and easy as a video game.

    It accelerates in traffic exactly as quick as the 6 with automatic since there's no time spent waiting for it to wind up and get moving. Shifting is excellent and the car feels light on its feet.

    Now, if you really want something better, consider a used or CPO 2007 CTS with manual and the 2.8L engine. Quick shifting and more than enough power, decently nice interior (I know everyone panned it vs the competition, but it is nicer than a typical economy sedan) , and you won't even have to spend $15K. If getting around town is all you want to do, the 2.8 is great as you can consistently get 29-30mpg highway with cruise control on. MPG is identical to everyone else's 6 cylinder/auto combination if you drive it conservatively. (official was 17/27 - real world is about 24-25mpg for typical commuting)
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  • bostonbullbostonbull Posts: 4
    edited February 2011
    I have a little over $21,000 to spend on a used vehicle total including a trade in. Hoping to get the car for under $20k then tack on a grand or two from my trade to the final price. Ill pay tax, title, docs, etc out of pocket.

    I have narrowed it down to the two models listed in the title. I want something that is super reliable, low cost of maintenance, good MPG, high resale value and powerful. It also has to be loaded, navigation isn't necessary but I would like bluetooth. This will be the first nice car I have owned and I plan on keeping it for a while. My last 2 vehicles were a 1999 and 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee, both were POS!

    I drive 50/50 city highway, ave a family of 4, and put 15-20k miles on a year.

    I considered other cars, the 2010 Ford Fusion Sport was on the list, but the plummeting resale value scared me off. I don't like Toyota's, or GM products. The Legacy being a first model year makes me a bit nervous to be honest as does the repair cost if the AWD breaks down.
  • hersbirdhersbird Posts: 323
    So I'm buying a car as a wedding present for my daughter, they will live in NC. I am going to spend about $6500. I'm shopping cars with asking prices from $6000-$8500. I have narrowed it down to about 4 general cars although nothing specific. A 2006 Sonata v6 with about 100k, a 2003ish 3.5 Altima with 125-150k, A 2007 Impala 3.9 with 90k, or a 2003 V8 LS with 125k. I wasn't really looking at the LS at first but some really nice examples are out there in this price range and are by far the most plush. The Impala would still have 10k miles on the factory powertrain warranty and is cheeper to insure. The Altima seems like the nicest car, but they have more miles to get in this price range and seem a bit more abused. The Sonata just seems all aound good but not great in any one area. I'm staying away from the 4 cylinder versions as they seem to have more problems as the mileage racks up and to me seem underpowered. Any thoughts or additions to my shopping list?
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,325
    edited February 2011
    well, judging by trade-in values, you shouldn't need to go that high on the miles with the Altima. If you can find one, an '03 with 100k is right around the same value as the '06 Sonata you listed. And, believe it or not, an '03 LS with 100k is worth even less than either of those. An '04 with 100k is more in line with the value of the Sonata and Altima.

    If you are finding an '07 Impala V6 (I'm assuming LTZ with moonroof) for $6500, something is wrong because it has a minimum trade value of $7k

    Another one I suggest is an '04-'05 Mazda6 loaded up with ~100k, but with the 4-cyl, which is plenty of poke and is reliable.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,325
    A slightly used Fusion Sport is actually a great deal, though, thanks to the resale value. I mean, you are talking like $28k for a new 2012, while you can get a 2010 Sport with Nav with ~15k miles for around $18,500.

    A comparable '09 is about $16k right now, so it seems the depreciation settles down quite a bit after those first 2 years.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,738
    Since you are looking at domestics as well, you should also look at similar age Buicks. They generally have slightly better engines and a bit more nice interiors than the same platform Chevrolet.

    http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=u&car_id=293369130
    This has the same electronic suspension as a Cadillac and a V8 engine out of one as well. Only get the CXS - it's a completely different vehicle compared to the other trims. Different engine and suspension - it drives virtually the same as a late 90s S class, which is a HUGE improvement for GM. I'd rate it as a far better car than the 2003 LS.

    The LaCrosse CXS from around 2006-2007 is also worth considering as it has the same engine as the Cadillac CTS, and an upgraded suspension as well. It's a total sleeper that drives better than any Buick you've ever driven before. You can usually find this for around 7-8K. Both are very pretty cars that have a bit of extra bling that would make for a nice present as well.

    Of course, the best used deal out there is a similar aged Grand Marquis. It's cheap to fix, impossible to kill, and if you get it in a the dark blue or red color, it's 100% not going to look like a police car.

    http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=p&car_id=293384104
    Yes, that's under 15K miles. On a car that can go 300K quite easily.

    http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=p&car_id=290959044
    This is a more typical example, mileage and price-wise.
  • Yokohama Avids are good, too. Have 4 of them on my 05 Camry SE (V rated version). If you can find Yokos with the right rating for your LTZ (Yokohama AVID TRZ should work) you'll be fine. :)
  • hersbirdhersbird Posts: 323
    edited February 2011
    Funny you mention police cars with the Gran Marquis because that's how you get a 3.9 07 Impala for under $6500. Actually I suspect I can get one still with factory warranty remaining for $4400 from the Highway Patrol auction for our state. They may be driven hard but I bet they are driven easier then the rental cars which is where a lot of these used Impalas come from. Our state, Montana, those are really "highway" patrol cars and get their mileage running up and down the highway on 12 hour shifts. So $4400 leaves a few thousand for aftermarket wheels and new tires, a nice detail, and maybe a few upgrades like a spoiler, window tint, or some stereo upgrades. Our highway patrol cars are solid black which look nice, you can also get a 08 crown vic for the same price, and there are some Hemi Chargers but they go at least $7500. After shopping cars yesterday I'm leaning to the Impala although we did see a nice 02 Maxima for that price range. I'll try and find a lacross CSX as I like that idea.
  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,738
    I actually mentioned (or thought it was obvious) how you can buy one of the 5% or so that aren't ex-taxis or ex-police cars for nearly the same money. Don't touch anything that was used in a fleet with a ten foot pole. By the time you get them, they are abused to death and the interior is a mess. The paint, if it was re-painted, looks like junk.

    But the sheer number of junk cars out there makes the few that were sold to individuals dirt cheap ;) Used Imalas also suffer from this syndrome, but the ratio is closer to 20% non-fleet, and you'll spend a lot less time locating one.

    Yeah, the CXS is nice as the engine is tuned for torque and so it develops essentially maximum torque at a staggeringly low 1200rpm (where the VVT makes the graph go essentially flat, though there is a small bump of ~10 more lb-ft of torque at about 1800rpm). It has leather, some nice wood trim, and a much better interior than a Camry or an Accord(for what GM charged at the time, it had better be). It was very under-appreciated by most of the automotive press.

    It's odd driving it, as you think it's a GM sedan but it drives like it has a small V8 diesel engine in it. Since it idles at about 900 rpm, you press the throttle down at any time or any speed and you get diesel like power immediately. There's a tiny 300-400rpm dead spot before the VVT fully engages, which is the smallest I've seen aside from a dual turbo or TDI setup. A normal CTS is tweaked for high end speed and develops its torque around 1600rpm.

    The suspension components are also largely shared with the first generation CTS. There's zero wobble or wandering. Driving-wise, it feels very close to how the Pontiac G8 felt. (note - if your budget was a bit larger, just get the G8 and forget everything else that's domestic)

    And the other Lacrosse trims? They feel like they've already driven 300K miles by comparison. I've never encountered such a vast difference between trims in my life. One is amazing and if GM had only made it, they would have killed the competition. The other trims are exactly like a W body GM sedan from a rental company.
  • hersbirdhersbird Posts: 323
    I know a few cops and they are mature normal men. They don't abuse their work cars anymore then their personal cars. Nothing like what a 20 something male or a high schooler does. I bet the fleet does better at keeping up on maintenance compared to the average owner pushing oil changes to beyond 5000 miles. They also keep the same car through it's time in service which for the MT highway patrol is about 80,000 miles. Also nothing like what a rental car goes through, I swear even 65 year old ladies test the burnout capabilites of their rental, LOL!
  • GBrianKGBrianK Posts: 211
    What about giving your new bride a $6500 check and using it toward a down payment on a newer car?

    Altima's between 2002-2005 had various issues ranging from engine, electrical and fuel system problems. An '06 Altima would be a better choice. After that, you've got to look out on the '07-'09 models for CVT issues.

    Impala is a whole 'nother story. This car is almost a 20 year old design. Fuel economy is dismal, the steering is a notchy tilt only, cooling problems, uncomfortable seats and a litany of electrical gremlins.

    The LS is a fun car to drive, but it too has issues. Engine cooling, big time transmission, fuel system and electrical.

    I like the '06 Sonata. It looks to be the most reliable of the bunch, gets decent fuel economy and comfortable seats. Not to mention, it has traction and stability control.
  • variosvarios Posts: 3
    edited March 2011
    Hi guys..

    Money: Around $29.000

    Options:
    2011 Accord EX-V6: New
    2008 Lexus ES350: 44,000 miles.
    2008 Audi A4 2.0T: 31,000 Miles

    I need to decide and its been impossible !!
    Which one will you choose and why?.

    Thanks
  • tallman1tallman1 Posts: 1,874
    edited March 2011
    I much prefer the ride of the Accord over the Lexus. If you are a fan of floaty, then you might prefer the Lexus. Lexus has a good reputation but I'd want a new car for many reasons.

    With all the reliability issues I read about with Audi, I wouldn't consider it, especially used.

    Now prepare yourself for all those posters who will try to talk you into another car that you didn't mention. :)
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,325
    Quite a varied bunch there. Really no similarities other than all having 4 doors. I guess maybe the Lexus and Accord are similar size. Audi is quite a bit smaller.

    How long will you own the car? Personally, I'd prefer the audi of the bunch, but it is because I like the 2.0T and the other 2 are too big for my taste. However, I wouldn't want to keep the audi longterm for reliability concerns.

    Would I suggest something else for $29k? Yup! :P

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • variosvarios Posts: 3
    edited March 2011
    Money: Around $29.000

    Options:
    2011 Accord EX-V6: New
    2008 Lexus ES350: 44,000 miles.

    Not choosingby size/speed. I'm more into Efficiency/Engine and it'll probably stay 3years with me. Big question might be Which car is better? The smart choice will be a new "regular" Accord or an Older "lil-luxury" Lexus.

    Looking into what I think is good in the marked... honda, toyota, lexus, audi (not any more expensive than that) but well, dont know much about cars in general... then so hard to decide.

    Comments are really welcomed, even long ones !!
    Need more orientation in the Why ... this or that one.

    Thanks.
  • tifightertifighter WAPosts: 1,376
    Okay...I'll be that guy that suggests something else. You list an Accord and an A4 as options, so it seems to me that the TSX should make the list by default. The Acura is a bit smaller than the Accord with sportier handling (like the A4), and can be had in your price range new w/full warranty and is reliable (like the Accord).

    2 cents, etc.

    15 Leaf / 08 RDX

  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,325
    decided to look this one up ... and '08 ES350 with the ultra-luxo package and 44k miles should be running you under $25k. So quite a bit below your ceiling. So for $29k, you should be looking for either a high mileage 2010 (~30k miles) or a low mileage 2009 (~20k miles).

    A comparable '09 A4 with 20k miles should run you about $26k-$27k.
    An '09 TSX with 20k ... about $24k.
    '09 BMW 328i with 20k ~$25k.
    '09 S60 2.5T with 20k ~$22k.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,663
    Would buy this car hands down...buying new here is the way to go actually so you are the 1st guy to drive it. In the long run, bet you'd be happiest doing this...and Acura's/Honda's are so reliable it ain't funny. This way, you won't have any reliability issues and they are "cheap to keep" with no drama.

    Enjoy!
    The Sandman :) :sick: :shades:

    2014 Hyundai Tuscon SE/2005 Mazda 3s/2008 Hyundai Accent GLS/2009 Nissan Versa SL hatch

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