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  • jjbro1jjbro1 Posts: 1
    edited November 2011
    I'm trying to decide between a 2012 Subaru legacy, and a 2012 Toyota Camry SE. My friend works at a subaru dealer and he said he could get me a leather wrapped legacy for around 24k OTD. But I'm not sure if that's with a nav and a sunroof. The awd is nice but I don't think I'll use it much. The legacy is roomy too which is especially good for me since I'm very very tall. I really like the look of the new camry and I was offered a little bit over 27k OTD with nav backup camera sun roof but no leather. I'm somewhat of a tech guy so the iPod features and pandora and bing apps in the Camry really have me excited. The Camry however is pretty expensive for me. I've heard that camrys haven't been all that reliable in the past and I don't know too much about subarus. Which car has the best resale value? Based on personal experiences and word of mouth which of these two cars should i get?
  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,677
    edited November 2011
    Hey, I'm somewhat middle aged & weak on my left side and can't use my left leg to shift due to my on the job injury so I'd have to say go with the auto Mustang if that's what you'd like. But in this case, I'd go with the 2008 TSX and be done with it...a very sweet ride with all the bells & whistles...unfortunately your situation obviously is different. The Mazda3 with the Skyactive engine would probably be the lowest priced car for ya & they are fun cars to toss around...we own an S model and it's a hoot to drive!

    Shame you can't get off the leasing merry go round as one never owns anything this way. Sometimes a CPO car is the way to go with it's great warranty in most cases...just a thought. Good luck with whatever you end up with...remember, you need a reliable car you can enjoy!

    The Sandman :) :sick: :shades:

    2014 Hyundai Tuscon SE/2005 Mazda 3s/2008 Hyundai Accent GLS/2009 Nissan Versa SL hatch

  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    I don't know where you heard Camry's weren't reliable, but it's not an accurate statement. I personally do not look at reliability ratings when I buy a car, because I realize the car I get could be a lemon despite a perfect 100 score by JD Powers.

    My "unreliable" XT now has 80K miles on it and the only warranty repair is the seat flipper downer thingy in the rear. I also "heard" Subarus were unreliable, especially if one has a turbo.

    Nobody can tell you what to do. If you "heard" Camrys are unreliable you should keep that in mind when deciding your purchase decisions.
  • I recently drove a Subaru Legacy, which I thought was the car I wanted to buy, on a second test drive. Loved the handling, but I just couldn't get comfortable in the seats. I'm 5-1, but my 6-1 husband couldn't get comfortable either. Take the Legacy on a long test drive before you buy. I'm older and have some orthopedic issues (the price of an active life), so perhaps if you're younger you won't be bothered. But it's hard to tell how comfortable you are in a 15-minute test drive.
  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,738
    My mother has 90K on her LeSabre and it has had virtually nothing go wrong with it, either.

    That said, Toyota never has made a very reliable V6 engine, and their automatic transmissions are upwards of $4K for a replacement. Their claim to fame, worldwide, has always been 4 cylinder cars and their manual transmissions. If you get one with both, you'll have the doors rust off before it dies. Honda also is similar in that I'd take a 4 cylinder Accord over the V6 as the 4 is better.
  • What the dealer may tell you as "warped rotors" may or may not be warped. Honda pads are known for material buildup on the rotors which will show symptoms the same as rotors that are warped.

    Your option is to get new rotors and 3rd party pads (Autozone's Gold CMAX brake pads, Hawks or EBC Greenstuff) or live with it. I have been living with this issue for a good part of over 10 years on various Hondas. I may switch but I would prefer silent pads over even the slightest squealing which at least most Honda pads do not do.

    You should really learn to change these yourself. They are simple to do and will then ask yourself why are you paying $150 labor to do something you can do in 30-60 minutes on your own.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    I definitely don't agree about the Toyota. I know several people who have 4s and 6s north of 150k miles without a hitch. I don't know how much Toyota Camry trannies cost, I never knew anyone who needed them.

    From my observations about American cars in my opinion reach a point and then they fall apart (I still think I'm thinking of the old GM). Maybe it's not true in 2011, but there is no American car I'm interested in as a daily driver.

    Although my son just bought a Focus, which I really like.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    That said, Toyota never has made a very reliable V6 engine

    I would disagree with that. Outside of recent recalls, Toyota's are extremely reliable, V6 engines included.

    I would not hesitate to buy V6 equipped Toyota if reliability was the only factor I was considering.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    Although my son just bought a Focus, which I really like.

    I really like the build quality of the Focus. It's really impressive. Back seat is a little tight, though.

    How is the fuel economy?
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    Agreed on the back seat. Fuel economy is very good. He gets north of 28 in a mix of driving.
  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,677
    edited November 2011
    "Doors rust off before it"...where do you come up with this stuff? All the folks we know with Toyota's, either 4 or 6 cylinders, just love their cars and have almost no complaints. All our previous Toyota's were fine cars though the brakes were not their strong suit. Some of your remarks sound,... well really stupid sometimes. I'm no genius here, but I'm dumbfounded by some of your automotive comments. Do you just make things up as you go along or what? I'm so confused here!
    And I'm not trying to be rude here either...so don't take offense!

    The Sandman :) :sick: :shades:

    2014 Hyundai Tuscon SE/2005 Mazda 3s/2008 Hyundai Accent GLS/2009 Nissan Versa SL hatch

  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,677
    edited November 2011
    Test drove the Focus last week and was very impressed...very impressed! And this is high praise coming from a strictly import buyer. The SEL in the aqua marine color with the stone leather thrones was an awesome looking ride, something I would buy tomorrow if I needed a new car. But I must agree with KD that the back seat room could be a bit bigger, especially for taller folks like my kids. Job well done Ford...I even bought some shares of stock in the company, this is how impressed I was! This will be a possible contender in 2013 for my wife's next car, absolutely on our short list!

    The Sandman :) :sick: :shades:

    2014 Hyundai Tuscon SE/2005 Mazda 3s/2008 Hyundai Accent GLS/2009 Nissan Versa SL hatch

  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    Yes, yes and yes. It was a Civic beater hands down. I think Ford made a nice niche with the 2012 Focus, I was impressed with it. And it comes with a lot of goodies, which, well add to the price. But you can at least get them.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,728
    Only 28 in mixed driving?!? OMG, that's like, what, a whole 10% less than the EPA number for combined driving?! Is your son beside himself with anger and grief about Ford misleading him like that?! Maybe he could sue Ford for mis-representation!!

    :) ;)

    Sorry. That just kinda came out.
  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,738
    Toyota's V6s throughout its history have been rather hit and miss. Certainly nothing special. GM, especially, managed to always do better in fuel economy and power out of their same displacement models. In many cases, the Toyota V6s were only a little more powerful than their 4s. 30-40 extra HP out of the V6, yet slower to rev and another 250-300lbs of dead weight to the equation.

    The newest Toyota GZ series engines are good. But you really do want to avoid the older VZ (gutless and prone to mechanical issues) and MZ engines (sludge, other issues), which are in many models until 2006-2008 or so, so that affects a lot of CPO and similar models that people might consider without realizing that they are potentially getting into transmission (somewhat unavoidable) *and* engine issues as the car ages.

    But their 4 cylinder engines are great. As are their few inline 6 engines. And as for manuals, my last Toyota ate its input bearings and 4th gear sprocket at ~340K miles. $1200 for a brand new manual (not rebuilt) and I was good to go again. The clutch was $150 for the part.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,251
    >But their 4 cylinder engines are great.

    Isn't there a pattern of the 4-cylinder engines having head gasket leaks causing cooling system problems? The guy up the road that does off-the-record auto repairs in his garage gets a couple of those a year that he'll diagnose for friends.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    Pot stirrer! ;)
  • vhl71vhl71 Posts: 9
    I'm on the market for a luxury Car. I like the drive of E350 but hate the exterior design. Its too old for my liking. I like the E350Coupe as its a lot sportier, but with 2 kids, it's not practical

    Test drove A7, like the drive, but its kinda pricey (A6 - my wife doesn't like the look)

    Also looked at inifiniti M series, not too impressed with the price and what I get.

    Haven't been to the BMW dealer yet.

    Here is what we need:

    Something that looks great and sporty, all wheel drive, with reasonable power.

    Any advise
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,424
    S60 T6 AWD.

    Back seat is smaller than most, however. Could look at the S80, but it is due for a redesign. Volvo's interiors are better than Infiniti's.

    Also might take a look at the CTS.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    What is your budget?
  • vhl71vhl71 Posts: 9
    Around 70K..

    What do people think about the new genesis sedan?
    I read some good reviews on it comparing it to the a6 or E series.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    edited November 2011
    Try checking out the Genesis thread. You will probably get good advise there.

    http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/WebX/.f2336e3/0!make=Hyundai&model=Genesis&ed_m- - akeindex=.f2336e3
  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,738
    70k?

    Get a CTS and laugh at the idiots who buy big bloated road sofas with European badges. And save about 30K in the process, since you can get a previous year model now for about 35K pretty easily.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    I personally would stay away cpo cadillac, but that's me.
  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,738
    The CTS is a drastic departure for GM and is one car that is worth buying new. It'll handle better and go faster that 99% of normal people can deal with and it's a lot less expensive than Mercedes and BMW's offerings.

    No, it's no 3 series. But it handily beats the E class and 5 series in price and overall usability. Plus, repairs are a lot less expensive. Add in a good interior and looks that make it clear from two blocks away that you're not driving a jellybean-mobile. Remember the days when everyone knew what brand you drove a quarter mile away?

    It's worth a look at least.

    P.S. If you have that much money, there's also the CTS-V, but it's quite honestly a bit silly.
  • vhl71vhl71 Posts: 9
    Just talked to the dealer on CTS. The 3.6l AWD model with loaded option comes to about 61k.

    I"m in Canada so the prices are more than the US

    I thought 61k foe a caddy is a bit too much. I could probably get a A6 for around 70k. Or a BMW 535

    AnyWAY I'm going to take the caddy for a drive on Saturday

    What do u guys think of the price?
  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,738
    You can get the 3.0L model and save a TON of money. The 3.6 is a better car, but it's also completely absurd as well outside of Europe, since Canada has fairly low speed limits.

    The 3.0L has 270HP and is more than enough.

    For a 2011 CTS 3.0L AWD Luxury (quoted via truecar), it's $36,769. That's in USD, but it gives you a good idea of how much less you can get one for. For a same trim 2012 with the 3.6L engine, they quote $47,959 - a bit over $11K more.

    Based upon a few sites I found in Canada that were similar, you should be looking at about $45-47K for the same car in Canada.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    You didn't say new you said used. I would buy a new CTS with an extended warranty plan.
  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,738
    No, I said that you should find a 2011 model that's still not been sold. You never buy the newest year's model if the previous one that's still left on the lot is available for a significant discount. And GM does give pretty good year-end discounts.
  • I am trying to find a used sedan that gets good gas mileage and was thinking about a Honda Accord, due to their fuel economy and reliability.

    I have found a few '09 EX-L's that I would be interested in, with mileage in the low $20k's and prices around $18k. This would be with the 4-cylinder and I think 190hp engine.

    I have since read some reviews and noted that there are premature brake wear issues with this vehicle and there was even a class action lawsuit filed and won. This has me rethinking my choice.

    I have heard that there are remedies for the brake problem, but I want to know if the remedy is effective or not and what aI should ask the dealer about the situation. The sale people I have asked either don't know anything or they are lying and claiming they don't know anything about it.

    Does anyone have an information regarding this situation?

    Are there other "similar" cars that I would be better-off considering?

    Thanks for any help that you can provide.
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