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Nissan 350Z

ezshift5ezshift5 West coastPosts: 853
edited December 2013 in Nissan
So what do we know: 3.5 liter VQ series V-6 enriched to 280-300 BHP, 6-speed stick available, base version sub-$30,000 and under 6 seconds enroute 60 mph. Anyone out there got any more on this potential breath of fresh air. Fast, 'Fordable and Fun.
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  • Thank you for the info on the HP numbers. Since you sell the product you should know, but there has been nothing regarding those figures for so long...I ordered a Track model, many sleepless nights ahead until it arrives, then no sleep whatsoever once it's here.
  • I've read some other info on this car:

    The three engine options, will be:

    a 286bhp 3.5 liter V6 (350Z)(the only engine available at first)

    a 335bhp twin-turbo V6 (350Z Turbo)(the same engine as the next Skyline GT-R, more hp than the 320bhp Porsche 911)

    a 197bhp 3.0-liter V6 (300Z)(the volume seller)

    Convertibles will be available with all engine options. I can't wait to see pictures of the convertible!
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    Where did you see the three engine option info? Inasmuch as even the "lowly" Altima has 240 h.p. and the new Maxima has 255 h.p., I find it hard to believe that Nissan would put out a sub-200 h.p. "Z" car, at least in the states. That would be a real marketing blunder, IMHO.
  • Now that I think about it, I did see that on a U.K. website. So maybe it won't be offered in the States... my bad! :)
  • I dunno, a $24k Z with the 197hp engine (not that it's true) would be an attractive alternative to the rest of the crap out there right now.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    ...if they choose to put out a $25k, 200hp "Z", they can pretty much punt the idea of being attractive to the mid-upper end market dominated by Porsche, BMW, Mercedes and the like. In order to compete in this segment, they will need to maintain some element of exclusivity. For example, I don't think Mazda could ever introduce an upscale version of the Miata, no matter how technically competent, that would get a prospective Boxter or M3 buyer to give it a second look. Nobody wants to buy an upscale performance car that can be had in a detuned version by the average Joe (or Jane) at a bargain price.

    I'm anxious to see the car, but it will also interesting to me to see how successful Nissan is in its marketing / business strategy with the new Z.
  • The relative Bargain of a BMW 318i never seemed to take much steam away from the M3 shopper/buyer.
  • While I think Nissan is going after the Boxster in terms of performance, do you really think that a prospective Porsche owner would really look at a Nissan?

    If I could afford a Boxster I'd get one. It's a Porsche after all =)

    However, if I could get a car that looks great and performs like a Boxster but would be inexpensive enough to allow me to get it and still eat on a daily basis, then I'm getting that one =)
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    killer,

    You've got a point with the 318i, but it wasn't very long-lived and never achieved much in the way of sales. I also believe that a major factor in BMW's decision to discontinue it was indeed image concerns: they had to cut too many corners to hit the 318 price target and feared the reputation of the higher end models would be adversely affected as a result (in the US, at least). A German business associate of mine also pointed out that BMW didn't introduce a full $50k version of the M3 to the states until 2001 because it was thought that US buyers were too image conscious to pay that much for a "3". Prior to 2001, we got a "cheapie" M3 compared to the less image conscious German market.

    Charlie,

    Actually, I guess I could afford a Porsche without giving up too many meals. But will I buy one?? Probably not. The M3, C32 and even S2000 are more likely candidates, given my mood on any given day. By the way, image consciousness is not confined just to the Porsche wannabes -- the 2002 redesign of the 911 front end was supposedly done to distinguish it from the Boxter so as to give prospective 911 buyers a bit more exclusivity. Heaven forbid that your $120k 911 turbo is mistaken for my $45k Boxter from the front!!

    My point was that Nissan can probably shoose to do whatever they want with the new Z: go after the high volume, relatively lower price market segment with a good, but not exceptional product. Or, go after the lower volume, higher end market segment with a more exclusive product. I just don't think they can do both, at least not immediately upon introduction.
  • I also saw rumors for a 3.5L turbo Z making 335 hp. Is it just me or does that seem too low a hp estimate? If the n/a 3.5L is pumping out 280-300 hp i would expect a twin turbo to make at least an additional 100 hp compared to the n/a version. If a turbo Z does come out I would expect closer to 400 hp.
  • Could be a single turbo with low boost, to save the engine from wear and tear.
  • himilerhimiler Posts: 1,209
    Based upon prototype photos, does anyone else think the interior styling is a bit overdone? While the car's exterior really appeals to me, I'm not sure I could handle the "loud" interior. Too much simulated metallic-finish trim.
  • What about the 3000GT SL? The automatic did 0-60 in 8 or 9 seconds, but it didn't seem to hurt the VR-4's image.

    Then of course there is it's Stealth twin, with a 10 second base model...
  • qin2qin2 Posts: 26
    Nissan just released these shots to the media of the production North American Z car!

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  • I really don't think that anyone should have to worry about cars damaging the reputaions of other cars. The NSX's image and aura isn't precluded by the fact that Acura sells sub-$20K vehicles, and I still think a Millenia S affords as much status as a base-model C230. And the fabulous Lancer Evoution VII's fine reputation probably won't be too unscathed by the paltry, wimpy $14,000 econobox Lancer available now.

    And in the JDM, things are strange. They sell RX-7's that are depowered, and even though the top, 280-hp ones sell for $33,000, the cheaper, less powerful ones can be had for a mere $24,000.

    Also, in the JDM, you'll likely be unable to find a car with more than about 280hp, even the GT-R and EVO VII. I think there's some sort of horsepower limit there or something. That would explain the base-level 286hp VQ available right off the bat (and Nissan would need development time to make a VQ35DET or DETT engine). The 197-hp one? Sounds like the same I4 currently in the 200SX/Silvia, and if put in the Fairlady, I don't see Nissan selling them here. Perhaps all the better...
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    Thanks for the pictures. Looks great! Any details on when it's actually going to hit showrooms??
  • cyranno99cyranno99 Posts: 419
    If the Z has a 3.0 engine choice then it would definitely better compete with a Mustang. Afterall, the Z is supposed to be a volume sportscar like it was meant to be.
  • hicairahicaira Posts: 276
    Thanks for the pictures.

    My wife's gonna kill me next year. At least I'll die happy.

    HiC
  • 64626462 Posts: 14
    I think the Mazda RX8 looks better. There's going to be some great competition between those two. Now if Honda would only get off of it's butt and put out a competent competitor to them with a new Prelude...
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    ...it was a nice "chic" car that never had a chance to compete with any performance cars with it's front wheel drive layout and ho-hum engine. Sorry, had to say that just in case my former girlfriend who owned a prelude is reading.

    Seriously, the Honda S2000 is a nice $32k alternative to the Z for those who value sunshine. I notice the Z pictures do not show a sunroof and it doesn't look possible with the shape of the roof. Perhaps a targa will be in the future.

    I am beginning to think that the last Toyota Supra Turbo (1998 RIP), with its almost respectable hatchback storage and targa roof (not to mention sub 5 second 0-60 and almost 1g handling), may be in line for a resurection to rekindle the Supra / Z wars of yesteryear.
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