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Nissan 350Z

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  • jay_75jay_75 Posts: 10
    How much does the Cobra R cost?
    How many are being made?

    exactly
  • $54,000 list. With the low production numbers, I am guessing the cobra R runs for about $60,000 at the dealers, or a huge waiting list.

    Yeah, great comparison between the 350Z and the Cobra. Face it...the cobra R and the cobra are two different beasts. And I will give you that american cars give you a lot for the money. They are quite possibly the best "bang for the buck" on the planet. But to quote badtoy, buying a car based on its numbers is like choosing a girlfriend based on her bra size. Theres more to a car than just its numbers.

    I am stating that the Cobra is only mediocre handling by todays standards for sports cars. The GT is WAY below average by todays standards. We have yet to determine how the Z car handles, but I can almost guarantee you right now that the Z will handle better. It also is more attractive(to me and a lot of other people), with better build quality, more comfortable and attractive interior, and with less weight.

    I think Nissan does not consider the Cobra a threat to their sales. Any japanese or german sports car is going to be the same way. If you like big horsepower and straight lines, you go for the mustang. If you want a real sports car, you go for something else. Nissan should have no intentions to steal cobra sales, and it should not expect to have sales stolen by the Cobra.
  • What's wrong with choosing based on bra size?!?!? =] But yes, skidpad numbers mean nothing. Handling can not be determined by numbers, because feel also makes a difference. And the Cobra R (R = Racing BTW) is different than the Cobra. That's like saying the Integra and Integra Type R (although they are quite close in price) handle the same.

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  • Ive known a few double D size bra girls in my life, and the majority of them also have D size rolls on their waists too.
  • boomn29boomn29 Posts: 189
    Why are people comparing the 350 2-seater to 4 door rally-inspired cars???
    Why are people comparing the estimated 30k 350 to cars costing under 24k???

    Try to keep apples-to-apples people!
  • f1julesf1jules Posts: 288
    Hmm, the Mustang GT posts a slalom speed of 64.0 mph the BMW M3 65.4 (if I remember correctly). Not exactly whale-like handling if you ask me. Besides, a few hundred dollars spent on after-market goodies can make the Mustang handle better than an M3.

    Just because it doesn't appeal to you is no reason to trash the car. It is a fairly capable car for the money.
  • I don't know if someone may have posted a link to this article in here previously but, here it is anyway:


    http://www.roadandtrack.com/RoadAndTrack/features/1201_nissan_350z_p2.html


    I think you may find the third paragraph from the bottom of the page interesting, as an s2000 owner. It describes the goals of the handling characteristics for the Z. I'm a little surprised by the direction, although I guess I shouldn't be as the target consumer is likely older than I am.

  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
    How quick do you think it'll be? I'm a little concerned by the tendency of Nissan to feature an outstanding powerplant, and still manage to put up mediocre numbers. The 350Z has a 100ft/lb torque advantage over the S2000, only a 300-ish pound weight penalty, more horsepower up top and way, way more torque down low, and yet I'm a bit concerned this car will put up 0-60 numbers identical to the S2000.

    That said, the article was interesting although it didn't surprise me. I always heard that the Z was a touring vehicle, not too quick and rather heavy. I hope so because that's the car I want. It's the reason I got two Preludes in a row, and it's nice to see a nice step "up" on the horizon.
  • 64626462 Posts: 14
    They've been getting into trouble lately for exaggerating their claimed performance specs for the Sentra and Q45, so maybe they're just playing it safe now?
  • touring car I'd get a 3-series or wait on the G35.
  • 300ZX would be considered a tourer next to a Toyota Supra or a Mazda RX-7. That does not mean it could not go fast, but it did mean that the handling was not as good as the others....
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    ..am not not quite sure what Yukawa means by "more mature" handling than an S2000. It seems to me like Nissan has sent a couple of mixed messages regarding their intent relative to the new "Z". On the one hand, they seem to acknowledge that the old Z evolved into an expensive luxo-GT car that lost some of its original spirit and appeal. They claimed they were going back to their 240Z roots with the new Z. Now, in the R&T review, Yukawa talks in terms of the new Z being a "comfortable tourer".

    I hope the actual car is going to be a better execution of a clear strategy than the inconsistent attempts to articulate it.

    BTW, although I only have 900 miles on the odometer, I don't think the S2000's handling is one in which more "maturity" is needed. It is as precise and balanced a car as I've driven. The fact that it responds to inputs immediately and goes exactly in the direction it's pointed is, IMHO, a GOOD thing. And, at 44, I suspect I'm on the "mature" side of any demographic target market either Honda or Nissan has in mind. Perhaps the 350Z, by virtue of a lower revving V6, will be a little easier on the eardrums as an everyday car. For me, the S2000 makes a perfect compliment to my Maxima SE. (And my hearing is half shot anyway).

    P.S. Hopefully Yukawa or his colleagues won't be quoted as claiming the new G35 or 2003 Maxima target is "more mature" handling than a 3 or 5-series. Just what we need, another Buick.
  • Yep, I understand that. I guess I was hoping that the Z would be more of a "light and nimble" car than a GT geared towards comfort.
    I'd probably be happy with a miata if I could fit and felt safe in one. Now that the dealer markups on S2K's seem to have died (for the most part) I may consider one, although I'd feel obligated to sign up for track time if I bought one.
    btw, from what I've heard about 3rd Gen. RX-7s and Supras they're way too much car for me... right now anyway ;)
  • Yea, that kinda dissapoints me too. Well, I guess I should have expected something like this. It's being designed for North America, and US buyers typically like a smooth ride. They probably figure this will help them sell more cars. Which I guess is a good thing considering Nissans financial troubles lately. Look on the bright side, if you really want the go kart handling, you can easily add some aftermarket shocks and springs for about $600. Many people add aftermarket suspension to performance cars, and this will just make the benifits of it that much more noticeable.
  • when they say "mature" I believe they don't mean razor sharp handling and steering, but rather BMW/Prelude type ride, feeling solid and connected but not stiff and harsh. Personally, I would prefer the S2000 Razor Sharpness, but the Z is not meant to be a limited production car like the S2000. But, that's what I believe they mean when they say more "mature". Comparable to a BMW or a Prelude, solid and connected but not harsh.

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  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    ..perhaps you haven't driven an S2000, but I personally don't find anything harsh in it's handling and ride relative to what is to be expected of a 2-seater sports car. I had a 1996 Supra Twin Turbo for six months and can assure you it was at "harsher" than an S2000, without some of the nimbleness benefits.

    If the "Z"'s target is the Prelude, heaven help us all. I am a Honda fan, but the Prelude was not a sports car. Period. As for the BMW comparison, I again ask what Nissan is attempting to accomplish. No one makes a better handling sedan than BMW. Last time I checked, the Z was supposed to be a 2-seater sports car giving the Boxter S and other comparables a run for it's money.

    I just don't think the Z can be all things to all people. It either needs to make performance the priority and add as much everyday comfort to it as possible, or vice-versa. But they will come in conflict with each other at times and knowing which is the priority is important, IMHO.
  • way too much car? Is that price or performance penalty? Just curious...

    Well... from what I've read, Nissan needs to squeeze out more hp and torque from the engine to match the expected competitions. It seems to fall short in acceleration as compared to an M3 or a Corvette. If Nissan can make the Z performs and pampers as well as those two cars and at the expected price, then I'll seriously consider it. OK... don't increase the power too much at the expense of fuel economy... in this day and age, you can do both.....
  • performance.

    Last Gen RX-7 with the factory performace packages are basically track cars. I'd never be able to drive the car anywhere near its potential, even on a track, not without attending a performance driving school.
  • I agree, it does seem a little like the Z doesn't have a clear sense of direction. The only car I can think of the Z "aiming towards" in terms of competition is the Audi TT, which also doesn't seem to have a clear purpose. Granted, the Z will have a lot more power than a TT, but IMO that's a market that only exists in theory. Both cars may look good on paper and in person, but they're not the kind of cars that give people a reason to "go out and buy one right now". Just my opinion.
  • 64626462 Posts: 14
    It seems to me like a classier Mustang GT. Maybe they're looking at how many Mustangs are sold per year and figure that they can tap into that market a bit. People will always pay a bit of a premium for the Japanese label, more refined interior, better reliability, and better handling.
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