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  • mz6greyghostmz6greyghost Posts: 1,230
    live on a farm. My driveways is 500 yards long. We take snow tires very seriously here. One poster mentioned the high cost of 17” snow tires. Can I buy some 2005 Mazda 15” alloy wheels and use those for snow tires? Cheaper wheels and cheaper tires. Are the stud patterns the same?

    I'm not too sure if 15" wheels will fit over the brakes without any clearance problems. I guess it depends on the wheels themselves. My advice is to either invest in a set of 16" steelies, or a used set of 16" wheels from a Mazda 3 or 6. I've got 16" steelies with 205/60-16 Michelin Pilot Alpin PA2s, and they've been excellent in the three seasons that I've used them.
  • You are right. There is the question of clearing the brake assemblies. I mispoke. I can get a set of Mazda 16" alloys cheap (not 15") and could use these for snow tires instead of the 17" wheels on the 06. Or at least, I hope I can. As I understand it, the wagon used 17" wheels but some '06 models still use 16". Unless the brakes are different, I should be ok. My concern was that maybe the stud patterns were different. Unlikely, but no harm in asking.

    Funny you should mention the Alpins. I had a set on my Buick Rendezvous for the first winter. We found them good winter tires except for deep snow - which is our driveway problem. Once we got out on the highway, they handled slush and cold very well. I replaced them with cheap WalMart tires with real agressive treads. Noisy, but the cars here with those tires are like snowmobiles.

    We have nine cars here, and all except the Corvette are used year round, so we get a good feel for which snow tires work best for snow. The Wal MArt and Canadian Tire snows seem best - and they are the cheapest. Go figure.
  • I bought a set of 17" mazda 6 wheels off Ebay and great snow tires off the internet. I had about $600 total finto the project. We average about 120" of snow per winter and thsi was a great investment!
  • mz6greyghostmz6greyghost Posts: 1,230
    I haven't dealt with deep snow very often, but being in the upstate NY area, we deal with snow on the roads quite more than other areas, and the Alpins have been great for me, especially on snow-covered highways, which I drive often.
  • I used the Alpins on my Monte Carlo. On the highway they were quiet and gave excellent braking and steering. But not so good in deep snow.

    The agressive tread tires are better in snow but noisy and a bit mushing on handling. A compromise, I guess.
  • slickdogslickdog Posts: 225
    For snows, I'm using 16" Dunlop Winter Sport M2's mounted on relatively cheap alloys (~$72 per) from TireRack. The alloys weren't much more expensive than steels, they're lighter, and they look much nicer. The Dunlops are a huge improvement on snow/ice over the stock Michelins, which were marginal at best. They are classified by TireRack as a winter performance tire, so the tread is less aggressive than something like a Blizzak, and the rubber doesn't seem as soft. Therefore, they are certainly not tops for snow traction but they are also not too squishy so I can throw the car around corners quickly without getting the sensation that I'm driving on marshmallows, which for me would take a lot of the joy out of driving this car.

    On the transmissions, I used to own a 626 and I believe the I4 626 auto was a notorious-for-trouble Ford unit, the 6-cyl 626 auto was a seemingly more reliable Jatco unit, at least some of the Mazda6 autos also got a Jatco 5-speed, and I'm not sure what the 6-speed auto is but I think it is from yet another manufacturer. There are posts about strangeness with the Mazda6 automatics, but they seem to be more related to electronic issues than mechanical issues. Both of my Mazdas were/are equipped with manual trannys so I haven't followed those issues very closely.

    At any rate, congrats on your purchase and I hope you enjoy it.
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  • mz6greyghostmz6greyghost Posts: 1,230
    They are classified by TireRack as a winter performance tire, so the tread is less aggressive than something like a Blizzak, and the rubber doesn't seem as soft. Therefore, they are certainly not tops for snow traction but they are also not too squishy so I can throw the car around corners quickly without getting the sensation that I'm driving on marshmallows, which for me would take a lot of the joy out of driving this car.

    That's also what the Alpins are classified as well. Better winter traction without the loss of driving feel (or fun).
  • slickdogslickdog Posts: 225
    Yep, I was interested the Alpins, but they were not available in the size I wanted at TireRack when I needed to buy, so I ordered the Dunlops instead. We use Michelin X-Ice snows on our Outback, which are not classified as a winter performance tire but they do have less aggressive tread and are not very squishy so they help the AWD bite somewhat better than all-seasons on snow/ice without compromising much.
  • I am blessed with a wife that can navigate by direction, as opposed to turning at known landmarks. More than once she has said she would like one of those digital compasses available in new cars. The last two new cars did not get one because they were only available as part of an expensive upgrade including things we did not need or want.

    A salesman just told me I can buy the mirror with the compass and repalce the standard mirror. He quoted $200 which seems like an OK price for something that would please the wife.

    I assume the compass needs some kind of electrical input. Would the wiring harness of a base 2006 wagon have the hook up for a compass?

    I pick up the new wagon in Cincinnati in three days and will drive it back to Toronto. I have never driven a Mazda6, so look forward to the drive. My concerns are seating comfort for a 6 footer and gas economy.
  • stkntrafficstkntraffic Posts: 172
    I have a MazdaSpeed6 with the mirror compass. It has an LED display that shows the direction (N, NE, S, etc). It also has an autodim feature that darkens the mirror when someone comes up behind you with their brights on,

    I'm sure it's the same one they want to sell you... I think it was a $180 option on my 6, so the price is in the ballpark.

    It haa a thin power cord in the back that goes under the windshield trim. I'll bet you a Canadian nickel your wagon is already prewired... I think all of the 6's are.

    Nice choice on the wagon, I almost bought one myself, but after driving the 'Speed I was hooked on boost.
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    They aren't pre-wired but the power lead is pretty easy to install.
  • jtb2jtb2 Posts: 1
    I also recently bought a 06 Wagon, Sport Model, the compass and auto dim mirror came as an option. It is my understanding that this is also a dealer installed option (unlike the roof rails). The list on the auto-dim mirror and compass is $175.00 (on the 06 model year, the mirror with the homelink is slightly higher). Although I did not order the compass mirror as an option, it has come in handy during recent driving trips, the autodim mirror is also helpful at night. I am very pleased with the wagon so far. As for gas mileage I have not yet calculated an accurate mpg, but it appears to be getting approx. 20mpg in mixed driving (the car still has under 2,000 miles on the odo).
  • I read this on the Mazda 6 Club forum.

    The new 6 speed ATX in the 2005 Mazda 6s's use a Toyota Type T-IV fluid known as JWS3309. This fluid can not mix with Mercon or Dexron fluids. A single half a cup of the WRONG fluid will completely destroy the transmission by causing the clutch packs to lock up, requiring a complete rebuild of the transmission to restore functionality.

    The fluid is "supposedly" gold in color, and should not be mistaken for the standard red colored Mercon V fluid. Regardless, please make sure both the dealer, and whatever service department your using (especially quickie lubes as they sometimes "top off" fluids), is aware of this difference, and that failure to adhere to the stock fluid specifications WILL RESULT in TRANSMISSION FAILURE.

    Once again, this only applies to the 6 speed 2005 Mazda 6s Aisin Warner Automatic Transmission.

    Note: There is probably a fine print oil spec written on the trans dipstick.
  • I drove my new 2006 M6 wagon home yesterday. This was a 1200 mile non-stop trip, so I was able form some initial impressions of the car.

    Me: Each of us relates to a car from a different background and perspective. I am a Canadian who sometimes buys cars in the USA, if there is a price or condition advantage. For used cars there usually is. Arizona cars are rust free. For new cars, US Big3 cars are usually cheaper in Canada. My Corvettes were about $7,000 cheaper here, taking into account the difference in the dollar. Imports are usually about identically priced, although the model selection here is more limited.

    I wanted a Mazda6 wagon, and the dealers here are sold out – so in effect there are no rebates to take advantage of. There are still a few available in the USA. I got mine for $17,900 plus a $380 dealer fee. That saved me about $7,000 Cdn ($6,000 USD) off list.

    I live on a farm property with my wife and two adult children. There are three houses on the property. Each of us owns two cars, except me. I think I have 5. We share cars, matching the occasion to the best vehicle, so I have some understanding of a variety of cars. Parked out side are: 87 Corvette, 86 Celica with only 90K on it, 92 Tercel with a 150 hp twin cam, 92 Pathfinder, 93 Corolla Wagon, 95 MR2 Beams, 96 Renault Cube van, 97 Pontiac mini van, 03 Buick Rendezvous (base model, FWD only), 05 Monte Carlo.

    The M6 Wagon. A base model “Pebble Ash” (sort of a silver-gold metallic). The drive home was on 4 lane divided highway all the way. Most of the time cruise speed was around 75mph (125kph). But I ran into a snow storm and at one time was barely ably to do 30 and spent a couple hours only doing 40.

    Gas mileage – filled the tank 4 times. Mileage was:
    26.4 mpg (US gallons) (31.7 mpg Imp gallons) (Note: The Imperial gallon used elsewhere in the world is 20% larger.)
    27.2 (32.6)
    25.8 (31.0)
    26.7 (32.0)
    In other words, mileage was good, but not great. I used cruise control about half the time on the high speed cruising. Since gas is so cheap in North America I guess mileage is not that big an issue. I would not have wanted to use this car last summer in France where gas was in the order of $8.00 a gallon.

    The gas gauge was very linear and accurate. This is something GM does not get right. My GM mini vans go 200 kms before the needle starts to move. When it says ¾ full the tank is actually only ¼. When it says ¼ I have to be looking for a gas station real close by. Each quarter on the Mazda gauge was the same – about 125 miles.

    Brakes. Seemed unremarkable. They worked well. The ABS has a very rapid pulse to it. Not as smooth as a Mercedes but much less noticeable than a Corvette. Just enough to let you know you have gone over the adhesion limit. I liked the brakes.

    Traction control. At one point I was driving in a heavy snowfall with about 3 inches on the highway. Traffic was light, so I could drive any speed I wanted. I wanted to drive about 40 mph. Sometimes a yellow light would flash on the dash. It was the Traction Control light. It was reducing engine power to stop wheel spin. It was effective and unobtrusive. If I wanted full power, there is a button I could have pushed.

    Headlights. They have adequate illumination. Not as good as my Buick Rendezvous. The Mazda6 uses very small lights with small reflectors. Given a choice, I would take more light every time.

    I like to drive with my headlights and tail lights on during the daytime, but sometimes forget to turn them off and kill the battery. With cars with a light sensor it is easy to cover the sensor with a small piece of black tape, so the lights come on with the ignition and go off automatically.

    The US version Mazda6 does not have daytime running lights nor does it have a light sensor. However, I discovered that I can just leave the light switch on because the lights are turned off 30 seconds after the key is removed.

    Instrumentation. The gauges are all easy to read. I much prefer analogs to digital. The car does not have an oil pressure gauge nor an oil temperature gauge. I have cars with both and really like the information. The oil temperature gauge tells me when the engine has actually warmed up – about 5 minutes after the water temperature has stabilized. If the engine gets low on oil the oil temp gauge shows the problem long before the pressure gauge. I regard oil pressure warning lights as just about useless. They tell me why the engine just blew. In fact, that happened to me about a month ago while helping a friend retrieve a 93 V6 Cavalier.

    I am a pilot and am used to scanning a full set of gauges so I know what is going on in real time. I would like to have more gauges and a warning buzzer if any gauge moved into the red.

    I really like the outside air temperature read out. It could be a life or death gauge. Coming home I watched the OAT (Outside Air Temp) go from +4C to –4C. When it hit about -2C I started to see rear wheel cars in the ditch. At -3C I started to see FWD cars in the ditch and I knew it was time to really slow down. The gauge can be set to read temp in either C or F.

    I did a little map reading at night. Each overhead light has a button to push to shine a light on the lap of either the driver or the passenger/navigator. It worked well.

    Radio. Usually one of the first thing I do to a new car is scrap the speakers and install a set of Infinity speakers. They only cost about $50 a pair (on eBay) and dramatically improve sound quality. My audio tech tells me the factory speakers are $5.00 speakers – retail. This radio had pretty good sound. I will compare sound to another car before deciding to switch. The speakers may be just fine. If so, that will be a first. This is the base radio set up – not the Bose.

    Handling. I was either driving straight on a highway or limping in a snow storm, so did not throw the car around at all. Handling seem perfectly fine. It felt quite secure at 80 mph. Being a new car, I did not want to drive it fast before the engine has been broken in. That said, if I want to drive fast, there are probably better cars in the driveway, but the M6 seems perfectly fine at ordinary highway speeds. It was not wind sensitive like a 240Z or a minivan or camber sensitive like a Corvette.

    Comfort. I just spent a day in the car. Could not have done it if it was not comfortable. I am 6 feet, 250 pounds. I would have preferred that the seat pan was two inches longer. It only supported about half my thighs. However, the electric adjust allowed me to tilt the pan to the best abgle. Leg, head and shoulder room was good. It is easy to get in and out. (Compared to a Corvette, anything else is easy.)

    The interior noise is low. I could hear the rear tires more than I would have liked, but that is typical of a wagon. Sedans are always quieter for that reason. I much prefe
  • audia8qaudia8q Posts: 3,138
    FYI..

    I just confirmed there will be no wagon in the US. for 2008
  • I drove my new 2006 M6 wagon home yesterday. This was a 1200 mile non-stop trip, so I was able form some initial impressions of the car.

    Me: Each of us relates to a car from a different background and perspective. I am a Canadian who sometimes buys cars in the USA, if there is a price or condition advantage. For used cars there usually is. Arizona cars are rust free. For new cars, US Big3 cars are usually cheaper in Canada. My Corvettes were about $7,000 cheaper here, taking into account the difference in the dollar. Imports are usually about identically priced, although the model selection here is more limited.

    I wanted a Mazda6 wagon, and the dealers here are sold out – so in effect there are no rebates to take advantage of. There are still a few available in the USA. I got mine for $17,900 plus a $380 dealer fee. That saved me about $7,000 Cdn ($6,000 USD) off list. The car is a basic wagon with automatic trans.

    I live on a farm property with my wife and two adult children. There are three houses on the property. Each of us owns two cars, except me. I think I have 5. We share cars, matching the occasion to the best vehicle, so I have some understanding of a variety of cars. Parked out side are: 87 Corvette, 86 Celica with only 90K on it, 92 Tercel with a 150 hp twin cam, 92 Pathfinder, 93 Corolla Wagon, 95 MR2 Beams, 96 Renault Cube van, 97 Pontiac mini van, 03 Buick Rendezvous (base model, FWD only), 05 Monte Carlo.

    The M6 Wagon. A base model “Pebble Ash” (sort of a silver-gold metallic). The drive home was on 4 lane divided highway all the way. Most of the time cruise speed was around 75mph (125kph). But I ran into a snow storm and at one time was barely ably to do 30 and spent a couple hours only doing 40.

    Gas mileage – filled the tank 4 times. Mileage was:
    26.4 mpg (US gallons) (31.7 mpg Imp gallons) (Note: The Imperial gallon used elsewhere in the world is 20% larger.)
    27.2 (32.6)
    25.8 (31.0)
    26.7 (32.0)
    In other words, mileage was good, but not great. I used cruise control about half the time on the high speed cruising. Since gas is so cheap in North America I guess mileage is not that big an issue. I would not have wanted to use this car last summer in France where gas was in the order of $8.00 a gallon.

    The gas gauge was very linear and accurate. This is something GM does not get right. My GM mini vans go 200 kms before the needle starts to move. When it says ¾ full the tank is actually only ¼. When it says ¼ I have to be looking for a gas station real close by. Each quarter on the Mazda gauge was the same – about 125 miles.

    Brakes. Seemed unremarkable. They worked well. The ABS has a very rapid pulse to it. Not as smooth as a Mercedes but much less noticeable than a Corvette. Just enough to let you know you have gone over the adhesion limit. I liked the brakes.

    Traction control. At one point I was driving in a heavy snowfall with about 3 inches on the highway. Traffic was light, so I could drive any speed I wanted. I wanted to drive about 40 mph. Sometimes a yellow light would flash on the dash. It was the Traction Control light. It was reducing engine power to stop wheel spin. It was effective and unobtrusive. If I wanted full power, there is a button I could have pushed.

    Headlights. They have adequate illumination. Not as good as my Buick Rendezvous. The Mazda6 uses very small lights with small reflectors. Given a choice, I would take more light every time.

    I like to drive with my headlights and tail lights on during the daytime, but sometimes forget to turn them off and kill the battery. With cars with a light sensor it is easy to cover the sensor with a small piece of black tape, so the lights come on with the ignition and go off automatically.

    The US version Mazda6 does not have daytime running lights nor does it have a light sensor. However, I discovered that I can just leave the light switch on because the lights are turned off 30 seconds after the key is removed.

    Instrumentation. The gauges are all easy to read. I much prefer analogs to digital. The car does not have an oil pressure gauge nor an oil temperature gauge. I have cars with both and really like the information. The oil temperature gauge tells me when the engine has actually warmed up – about 5 minutes after the water temperature has stabilized. If the engine gets low on oil the oil temp gauge shows the problem long before the pressure gauge. I regard oil pressure warning lights as just about useless. They tell me why the engine just blew. In fact, that happened to me about a month ago while helping a friend retrieve a 93 V6 Cavalier.

    I am a pilot and am used to scanning a full set of gauges so I know what is going on in real time. I would like to have more gauges and a warning buzzer if any gauge moved into the red.

    I really like the outside air temperature read out. It could be a life or death gauge. Coming home I watched the OAT (Outside Air Temp) go from +4C to –4C. When it hit about -2C I started to see rear wheel cars in the ditch. At -3C I started to see FWD cars in the ditch and I knew it was time to really slow down. The gauge can be set to read temp in either C or F.

    I did a little map reading at night. Each overhead light has a button to push to shine a light on the lap of either the driver or the passenger/navigator. It worked well.

    Heater/Ventilation Some cars deliver heat much faster than others. Our Toyotas seem to give heat by the time we get to the end of the driveway. Did not check this feature since car was warm when delivered. Heat was adequate, but it was only around the freezing mark. Don't know how it would handle 20 below. The fan was not noisy. Our Buick has a terrible fan noise. The heater ducts allow air to be aimed all over the palce. I always use the two outside vents to aim at the side windows, to keep them clear.

    The car allows a choice of recirculated air or fresh air. Unless fresh air is selected a car will tend to fog up. You can always spot the cars running on recirculate. All fogged up.

    Radio. Usually one of the first thing I do to a new car is scrap the speakers and install a set of Infinity speakers. They only cost about $50 a pair (on eBay) and dramatically improve sound quality. My audio tech tells me the factory speakers are $5.00 speakers – retail. This radio had pretty good sound. I will compare sound to another car before deciding to switch. The speakers may be just fine. If so, that will be a first. This is the base radio set up – not the Bose.

    Handling. I was either driving straight on a highway or limping in a snow storm, so did not throw the car around at all. Handling seem perfectly fine. It felt quite secure at 80 mph. Being a new car, I did not want to drive it fast before the engine has been broken in. That said, if I want to drive fast, there are probably better cars in the driveway, but the M6 seems perfectly fine at ordinary highway speeds. It was not win
  • PFFlyer@EdmundsPFFlyer@Edmunds Pennsylvania Furnace, PAPosts: 5,808
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  • d_hyperd_hyper Posts: 130
    Thanks for a notice... How dare they?!
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    Mazda’s high-performance sedan, the Mazdaspeed6, will not continue as a 2008 model. The wagon version of the Mazda6 is another casualty of Mazda’s thinning 2008 lineup. Both were popular among a small niche of fans but didn’t find a wide audience. Mazda is also trimming the current Mazda6 lineup because the model will be significantly redesigned for 2009.

    The 2008 Mazda6 sedan and hatchback will get a tire pressure monitoring system standard for 2008, but little else has changed. A Bose stereo system is standard in the Touring trim level, 17-inch wheels are standard on the i Sport trim and there’s a standard alarm system on the Sport VE and Touring trims.
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