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Subaru Legacy/Outback Wagons Maintenance & Repair

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  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,391
    I think it is premature for such a failure, but like AJ suggested, check the emissions warranty.
  • ic_designeric_designer Posts: 28
    edited February 2010
    Follow the link for the emission warranty:

    http://www.epa.gov/obd/420f09048.htm#b

    Here are the highlights from EPA website:

    There are three specified major emission control components, covered for the first 8 years or 80,000 miles of vehicle use (whichever first occurs) on 1995 and newer vehicles:

    * Catalytic converters.
    * The electronic emissions control unit or computer (ECU).
    * The onboard emissions diagnostic device or computer (OBD).

    Hope this will help.
  • sghuskersghusker Posts: 10
    Does anyone know of a FREE website that has a parts list for a 2000 Legacy?? If not, then does anyone know the part number for the rear tail light wiring harness with bulb sockets?
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,408
    Since I"m about 99% sure this is a dealer-only item, I would think just going there is the quickest way to find this out.

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  • rebel71rebel71 Posts: 87
    Hello all, the car has 24,000 miles today it's at the dealer for inspection of pads and rotors, noticed pedal not holding and going to the floor.My driving is considered "severe" short trips mostly. The brake fluid is now 2 years old. I asked dealer to replace brake fluid. They tell me they don't replace brake fluid in the newer Subaru's, as it's not recommended. Something about a closed unit. I know brake fluid is not a lifetime fluid and does break down/get contaminated over time effecting the stopping ability. I told dealer to replace anyway, hopefully it doesn't hurt anything. I"m a bit perplexed.

    Thank you
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Dealer employee is out of his mind.

    Of course you bleed brake fluid. There is a certain order to follow, but it's a very routine service.
  • fibber2fibber2 Mid Hudson Valley, NYPosts: 3,732
    Getting your brake fluid flushed out and replaced is becoming more of a point of contention with time. Early on (less than 2-3 years old) the dealer will tell you that you don't need it done because it looks clean and isn't required for a pad change. After about 6 years (up here in the rust belt, anyway), they will often refuse to do it once the bleed screws are well rusted as they often break off requiring extensive repair or caliper replacement.

    I've insisted that it be done, but you can see it from their standpoint why they don't want to do it. It has to be a major source of customer complaints. If they break one off, who pays? If they get even a little air in the line, the customer returns with spongy brakes demanding it be done again. At best, it ties up two guys in the shop, and nobody wants to deal with unbillable hours. Net is that it's a service they'd probably like to avoid.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,391
    That's a good point - those bleeder screws can be a real PITA when even a little rust.

    Brakes not holding and going to the floor? I would be shocked by this in a new(er) car, but sounds like a bad master cylinder to me. I have had this symptom in two vehicles (both now 41 years old) and each time the problem progressively worsened - the solution in each case was a new master cylinder as the internal diaphragm leaked.

    That said, I have no idea how new systems are built.... do they still use master cylinders? :blush:
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Master and slave cylinders, with ABS between.
  • rebel71rebel71 Posts: 87
    The answer is yes brake fluid needs to be replaced at 30,000 per warranty booklet. I can understand the point about rusted bleeder screws as I do live in the northeast. I do have to say after driving many brands of vehicles which all brake differently. Brakes are not Subarus strong suit, in fact I think even new their brakes are a bit mushy for my liking. The brake fluid was changed to the tune of $175, whew that was expensive. :surprise: I never follow what the dealer recommends for service always by the Subaru book. I'm still laughing about the dealer saying Subaru doesn't recommend brake fluid change. :P It's a good thing I'm somewhat knowledgeable about cars. Thank you all who posted.
  • fibber2fibber2 Mid Hudson Valley, NYPosts: 3,732
    Brakes are not Subaru's strong suit

    I think many of us would agree. I upgraded my front rotors and pads, but still find it to be underwhelming. The car is just too heavy for the grade and size of the components.
  • lilengineerboylilengineerboy Posts: 4,116
    I think many of us would agree. I upgraded my front rotors and pads, but still find it to be underwhelming. The car is just too heavy for the grade and size of the components.

    I never felt the brakes were sub-par in the '05 Legacy wagon, although at 56k, they are about done. Still scrambling on what pads to get, leaning towards the Hawk HPS pads (street based compound with more initial bite, still rotor friendly).

    I was planing on using a miti-vac tool to bleed/change the brake fluid when I do the brake job, I just want to get a real repair manual to see if there is any wierdness in the procedure.
  • fibber2fibber2 Mid Hudson Valley, NYPosts: 3,732
    edited April 2010
    I went thru a lot of nonsense when I ordered brake parts for my '02 OBW in 2006. The model was new in '00, and there were lots of brake issues. The revamped '02 was advertised with larger brakes, but my car must have been put together with leftover stock. I ordered Hawk HPS pads and PowerSlot frozen rotors from TireRack, and it took some measurements and photographs before one of their guys figured out that I really needed to reorder '01 components!

    The HPS pads & new rotors are an improvement, but the brake feel is still not what I think it should be. And they are not great when stone cold. It takes a stop or two before they bite with any confidence. I'll bet our '02 Honda Odyssey could outstop my Outback.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Some models do have small-ish rotors but I've looked at competitors and Subaru is probably better than average here, at least with Foresters, which are among the lightest models in their class.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,391
    The brakes on my Forester are downright huge compared to those on my '96 Outback. Even so, I never felt the braking was lacking on that car. Of course, that was my first modern car so I was comparing it to 30-year-old (at the time) beasts. :blush:
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,408
    Brakes were adequate on my '97 but when the car was fully loaded, I never felt fully confident. And my brake system was in top notch shape.

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  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,391
    Did you end up selling your '97 already? If so, what did you get for it?
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,408
    I got $4,000 for it, which I thought was pretty good considering the miles. It was in great shape mechanically however.

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  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,391
    edited April 2010
    Yeah, that sounds great. I was sorely tempted to make the trip for it, but am trying to convince myself to lay low for awhile and just stick with the old Escort. :blush:

    It is tough to find an older Subaru wagon up here that is not beat to heck, let alone one that is mechanically sound. And, regardless of how ratty the car is, they always seem to sell at or above the $5K mark. Sad, really.
  • lilengineerboylilengineerboy Posts: 4,116
    I ordered Hawk HPS pads and PowerSlot frozen rotors from TireRack

    That was basically my plan as well, maybe price shopping slightly.

    The HPS pads & new rotors are an improvement, but the brake feel is still not what I think it should be. And they are not great when stone cold. It takes a stop or two before they bite with any confidence.

    That is my biggest fear. When its snowing or very cold out, and the brakes are stone cold, I want that lady I married who drives my kids around to be able to stop effectively.

    I never had an issue with the '05 brakes though, even when towing a 5x8 u-haul trailer or a small pop-up. Michigan is very flat (at least where I've been driving), and I don't think I would be as excited about dragging a trailer up and down the mtns even on highways like 101.
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