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Here's the GTI chart...Sure it has more torque but it's also much more peaky. Just as the performance numbers bear out. If the torque line was flatter this would be a killer motor. If this is your cup of tea so be it. http://www.injen.com/webpages/testing/original_files/rd3015.jpg
We've discussed the S2000. Nowhere near as much torque as the VW. You gonna race one? Go for it.http://www.injen.com/webpages/testing/original_files/IS1305.jpg
How about the RSX/S? Be careful even though the max torque may not compare with the GTI, it does have HP to keep it ahead according to most sources. Plenty of torque for normal driving in the 2500-6000 rpm range and racing power and HP up top where most Hondaphiles expect it to be.http://www.injen.com/webpages/testing/original_files/is1475.jpg
As far as prices...Cardirect has base GTI's for $19940 in the 30141 area code and the 03 Si at $17349 with side airbags. Well below invoice. A slightly larger difference than $250. The RSX/S is $23,170 though...Ouch.
The fact that we are discussing it should indicate that someone here has no problem taking thier car into VTEC territory. So in that case lets look at the curves. If the GTI is near it peak at 3500 rpm there's no need to shift at 6000 rpm just as the VW people say. In fact you had better shift at 4500 to 5000 to stay in the peak. But if you are running at 3500 at 80 then anything above that is on the downside of the curve. That explain's how the VTEC equipped Civic is competitive with the GTI in it's 150 hp form. The VTEC Civic can ride the flat torque curve all the way from 2700 rpm to 6000 rpm.
even in stock form, the torque is higher for the GTI 1.8T engine from 2000rpm all the way to 6500rpm compared to the 00/02 SI. So, when you revved your SI all the way to 6500rpm, on the 02 SI, your max torque is the same as the GTI. Sure the torque goes down after 3500rpm, but it is still a lot more than the 02 SI.
Obviously you didn't notice that the dyno you give is of modified GTIs. Aftermarket ECUs can really change the torque curve sometimes. I'm pretty sure the stock curve is much more flat than this one.
It's funny. My last 1991 300ZX Twin Turbo cost $6000 and ran like a top. My neighbor bought it from me and drives it every day.A Supra Twin Turbo can be had on Autotrader online for that 20K exactly as an asking price. They're kinda rare though cause they didn't sell that many.1995 to 1996 Vettes are in low to mid 15K range 300hp there stock and 340 lbft of torque down low. That's a C-4 in case anyone asks. It's so funny I chuckle too.
So lets see here the GTI is $19,000 or so on Carsdirect.com plus another 2K in mods that's 21,000. Hmm compared to a $17,100 (Carsdirect)Si. Hmmm. Yeah I see now. Wait...No I don't.
It's you'r risk on the warranty. Most manufacturers frown on engine modification like that. It's up to you. http://www.generationiv.com/main/faq/
Mods kill resale value especially in brand new cars. Most people get rid of cars in a few years so spending $2-3K on mods on a new car is like using money as tissue paper. But when you get rid of that GTI, sounds like someone is gonna get a great deal. It's just that I know where I can get another 300ZX TT with 140K for $2500. A/C doesn't work but the motor purrs like a kitten and it looks great for a 1990. Heck if I'm not gonna have a warranty and want to go fast I might as well go all the way. Or maybe a 3000GT VR-4. Those are gettin kinda cheap now. I laugh so much just thinking about it.
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