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Lexus SC 430

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  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
    I would agree with you completely if Lexus had decided not to offer the IS300. The fact that it was branded Lexus rather than Toyota makes me think that Lexus doesn't really know what they want to be. Maybe the IS300 was a test offering to gauge how the company feels about moving into the 'sport' side of the sport/luxury business.
  • verozahlverozahl Posts: 574
    Sphinx, are you saying that the 1992-2000 SC300/SC400 weren't sporty? From sporty luxocoupe to entry-level sports sedan and overindulgent luxoconvertible. Lexus's image is fine.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    Sphinx - Personally, I don't view the IS300 as a serious sports coupe that Lexus intended to compete head to head with BMW. Whether it was Lexus own advertising or the majority of drivers of IS300's that I see around town, it appears like its a "20-something chick car". That may compete with a small segment of the market for a 3-series coupe, but not much. If I'm not mistaken, Lexux didn't even offer a manual in it when it was first introduced.

    Verozahl - I won't answer for Sphinx, but in my opinion the SC300/400 may have been "sporty" Lexus offerings, but they were not serious driving enthusiasts cars. Again, if I'm not mistaken, only the SC300 was offered with a manual. My former boss had an SC400 for 5 years and, although he loved it for quality and luxury, he now owns a 528i that he claims is more fun to drive (even with its 4 doors and 100 fewer horsepower).

    When the GS400 first came out, I thought perhaps Lexus was finally moving into serious driver's territory. But the suspension was so luxo-oriented that Lexus had to print a warning label that the optional 17" tires might last less than 7,500 miles under more spirited driving. Apparantly, the body roll tendencies of the car was eating up the side walls of the tires. Again, I have an associate who traded a GS for a 540i 6-speed and has never looked back.

    My point is that I agree with Verozahl that Lexus image is fine. They make some of the best near and full luxury cruisers out there. And their quality control appears well ahead of Mercedes as of late. They just don't make a car that excites my 40-something driving senses. So be it. I'll buy their stock, just not their cars.
  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
    I try to avoid driver demographic as the benchmark for a car's sport-oriented nature because in some markets the demographic can be very misleading. Of the many BMW owners I have met around here I have yet to meet one who bought his or her car because of its "sport" nature. Without fail, all of them bought them for the badge appeal, build quality, looks and luxury content. If I didn't know more about the engineering and had to go off of sample driver alone, BMW would be a non-sport brand. With that in mind, I threw out the IS300 because I do believe that it has all the underpinnings and mannerisms of a top-notch sports sedan. It's quick and nimble, extremely responsive, and provides an amazing amount of road feedback to the driver. You feel every bump in the road. Some would say that based on athleticism alone it's the best sports sedan out there - even better than the 3-series. And the fact that it has the luxury of a Corolla while wearing the Lexus badge makes me raise an eyebrow. I agree that Lexus does one thing extremely well, and they have focused on this one thing almost exclusively.

    However, I am not sure whether even Lexus is sure whether that one thing is enough, and the IS300 is evidence that they're thinking about something else.

    verozahl - I don't have much seat time in SCs, but from what I have read they tend to be heavy tourers that focus on luxury over sportiness, as with most Lexi.
  • whothemanwhotheman Posts: 169
    Lexus can't give us a "fourth option", a Sport Package, with performance tires, better anti-roll bars, upgraded spring and shocks, and a tighter steering rack. That's what options are for! To prevent alienating drivers who desire a certain feel from the car you make. This car is obviously gorgeous and luxurious, but it is missing the one thing that would make it a legend. The ability to truly bond with it's owner, not just impress him, or win his admiration. What is the "Passionate Pursuit of Perfection" mean if they short their most passionate design? Give me a car that wants to be loved over a lovely car anytime......
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    Sphinx - you caught me committing a cardinal sin - expressing an opinion about the IS300 without ever having driven one. Time permitting, I will remedy that shortcoming - albeit the car doesn't appeal to me for a variety of other reasons (style, extremely tight back seat, etc.) Whether the IS300 really can match the 330is as a driver's car is questionable, but I will keep an open mind.

    Whotheman - back to the topic - the SC430. You ask "why not?", I ask "why?". I am not sure Lexus will sell that many more SC430's by offering to equip them with a sport package. IMHO, you can't take a luxury car that has a highly refined "Buick" ride and handling dynamics and turn it into a sports car by adding a sports package. That may sound a little harsh, but I think it would really need to be designed ground up with a different philosophy and approach, for the SC430 (or any car) to appeal to the true driving enthusiast.

    Lexus has elected to let Mercedes, Audi, BMW and even Honda invest heavily in their racing divisions. They make "Super Toyotas". Nothing wrong with that, since they do it as good or better than anyone else. And as a highway tourer, the SC430 appears to be right up there with the best. Just not as much fun to drive as my S2000. But a lot quieter.
  • carnaughtcarnaught Posts: 1,569
    ...Go-Karts are also fun to drive. It depends what one wants. I for one, will take the SC....
  • verozahlverozahl Posts: 574
    I know the SC300/400 weren't "sports cars." I want a luxosport coupe with an automatic. Thus, I either want a Subaru SVX or a Lexus SC300.

    My other choice would be a Prelude or a 240SX. Driver's coupes. Maybe an old MR2, too.

    And then, you have the Supras, Z-Cars, and RX-models of the world.

    SC430 is just another luxoconvertible with strange looks, and it's not as sporty as the Benzes it envies. It's a little too Lexus for Lexus, that is, it doesn't do much for Lexus image other than say "hey! we wanna be Benz!"

    I'm not aware of any Corollas with Lexi badging. Altezzas, Integras, and Primeras are not Corollas, Civics, or Sentras.
  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
    I disagree, the more I see the car the more I think that "jewel of Lexus" really is apt. It's a beautifully finished car, and looks nice with the top up or down. The hardtop also appears to be a generation ahead of the SLK. (Though not ahead of the SL.) If I had a high dollar stiff sports car in my garage and wanted the perfect desert to it, I'm not sure I could do better than the SC430.
  • carnaughtcarnaught Posts: 1,569
    ......don't buy an SC430...
  • verozahlverozahl Posts: 574
    Good idea, carnaught.

    Actually, I think when I'm talking about the styling, we should focus on the rear end. The front is sleek, but the back??
  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
    The back's a little weird. Ugly doesn't come to mind, just weird. I'm just repeatedly stunned by the overall fit and finish of the car.
  • verozahlverozahl Posts: 574
    "I'm just repeatedly stunned by the overall fit and finish of the car."

    Compared to what?
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    How is the SC430's hardtop "ahead" of the SLK's?

    M
  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
    I think it goes up and down faster, more quietly and looks a lot cooler. If you don't believe me, go find a blurb.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    You think(?), you never ever know anything unless it's on a blub......pleeezzz. Always basing statments like "more advanced than this, better than that" on nothing.

    M
  • squidd99squidd99 Posts: 288
    Who really cares. The top takes 24 seconds to go up or down. That's faster than the SLK, according to my friend who has one, and is slower than the new 500SL, according to the magazine reviews.

    From what I can tell, the SC430 top and the SLK top are identical in operation. The trunk of the SC is larger, so there is more storage room with the top down, but that's not an "advanced top," that's a larger car.

    That's my blurb.
  • alpedhuezalpedhuez Posts: 4
    Has anyone had to buy a new tire after having had a puncture? Are punctures with RFT's easily repairable? Also has anyone tried to mount a bike carrier on the trunk of their SC 430?
  • kvsm3kvsm3 Posts: 32
    Hello,
    I have heard rumors that Lexus might introduce the Lexus SC 330. Has anyone heard of these rumors?
  • dh50dh50 Posts: 5
    The Bridgestone run flat tire can't be repaired and must be replaced if punctured or damaged. I recently changed from Bridgestone run flats to Goodyear Eagle F1 GSD EMT run flats and have been impressed with how much more quiet they run. The ride is also better, although they still aren't great over bad roads.
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