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Toyota Echo Maintenance and Repair

nnbnnb Posts: 3
Has anyone experienced that the clutch is kind of slow to release during quick upshifting? Also while driving in hwy with 4th gear around 75 mph, then floor the gas, the clutch is slipping. Any one with any info are welcome. Thanks.
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  • My 2000 echo is going in tomorrow to figure out the problem with my slipping clutch.

    2 years old 90% highway mileage with 30,000km (18,000 miles)

    started to slip at highway speeds when I went to pass and is now slipping in all gears.

    Dealer says probably wear due to bad driving (must control fists)

    other car is at 180,000km (108,000miles) on first clutch and previous honda civic was good for 120,000 between clutch jobs.

    Apparently the clutch is non-adjustable and will cost about $800-$1000 CDN to replace.

    They better find a defect and cover it or there will be many unpleasant conversations with Toyota coming up.

    Please post if you are experiencing clutch problems.
  • nnbnnb Posts: 3
    Please let me know what the dealer finds out. I just took my car to the dealer this morning, they said they didn't find anything wrong. Actually the clutch wasn't slipping too bad today. It was slipping badly last week when the weather was cold. It seem like it has something to do woth temperature too.
  • kaz6kaz6 Posts: 331
    20k and so far so good...I live in Los Angeles and have horrific traffic to deal with. Aside from very long throws and a stubborn reverse it's fine.
    My last car, a Ford ZX-2, had 70k of similar driving conditions and the clutch was fine. Sounds fishy to me!
  • Hi there -- Many posts ago there was mention of people getting the "original" hubcaps on the 2000 Echo replaced with a different design that did not have a "whistling" sound. There was some specific tricks to getting the Dealer to replace it at no charge, though.
    Does anyone remember what this was specifically?

    (I have a 2000 Silver 4 door, drove it all the way down from Victoria, BC to Durham, NC ! Terrific 3,800 mile road trip vehicle!!)

    Thanks!
  • krakatokrakato Posts: 30
    Oops -- I posted this on the other Echo list and realize that this list is a better place for it!

    This is the very FIRST problem I've had with this wonderful car!

    Here's what happens. First thing in the morning when I start the car up all is well. The blue "cool engine light" is still on as I back out of the driveway and drive down one block -- everything operates as normal. But after stopping at the corner and beginning to turn right, when I press the pedal to accelerate through the turn, there is a significant pause with little engine power and I have to pump the accelerator to get the car through the turn and accelerating normally again. It seems to happen primarily when I am making a turn -- although once I had trouble getting full power after stopping at a stop sign and then going straight. This only happens after the car has been sitting overnight or for a long time and the blue cool engine light goes on when I start it up.

    Has anything like this happened to anyone else in your ECHO? I'm going to take it into the dealer to check it out, but wondered if anyone on this great board has any ideas or suggestions about what is going on?

    Thanks!
  • rforbesrforbes Posts: 1
    Hi! I'm from Australia and recently bought a new 3 door Echo hatch back manual with 1.3L engine. I had a Mazda 121 sedan for 9 years. It was a great little car. I am peeved with the Echo. It is full of rattles, in the doors, in the dash, the rear. It is driving me bananas. I have spent days trying to find and fix them but it does no good.
    Another problem is with the steering. It has power and minor road bumps are transmitted up through the steering wheel. I was spoilt with the Mazda for sure.
    Has anyone had these problems? It looks like this model isn't sold in the US but I wondered if the 4 door behaves like this
    Regards
    rforbes
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,690
    What you are describing is a classic case of the EGR valve sticking open. But that usually happens to cars with a lot of miles on them. Have Toyota look at it and let us know what they say.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,690
    No, my car does none of those things, nor have I heard of another one doing them. Perhaps you should have Toyota look the car over.
  • kaz6kaz6 Posts: 331
    the only rattles I have are from the lock buttons in the doors. It's only when it's cool out as the heat of the day makes the plastic expand so it is snug. Even running 205/50/15's on mine don't bring out any rattles or squeaks!
  • krakatokrakato Posts: 30
    Thanks kneisl1 -- my car is in the shop now. Had a frustrating round with the service department yesterday who said they couldn't find the problem and said everything was fine, but finally I got an asst manager who really listened to me and drove the car again after it cooled down for several hours and experienced it -- they are trying to figure out what's wrong now. But this is my Echo's second day in the shop because the first crew couldn't find the problem. Very frustrating. I'll let you know what they say.
  • slimtexslimtex Posts: 4
    My wife has a 2001 Echo and recently while driving on the interstate for 2 and a half hours at 65 to 70 the air conditioner progressively cooled less and less. Talking to the dealer he says that Toyota has not had ANY reports of air conditioning problems on the Echo. He checked the regional office and the California national office. To me the experience was dismal and a big surprise as I think the world of Toyota. By the time we got home there was hardly any cooling at all. Has anyone else had such a problem? Thanks for any comments. PS the car has less than 4,000 miles on it.
  • cwo4cwo4 Posts: 90
    You can check the past links and find many entries on weak AC and wrapping of pipes etc. We owned a 2000 ECHO that did the same thing. I took it to the Toyota dealer 3 or 4 times. They never did fix it completely, even after replacing components. I think the system is too weak to cool that large of a space and is a trade off for great fuel economy. I also think the designers figured the car would be an urban commuter, not a highway cruiser. My wife and I put on 50,000 miles a year, travelling to visit kids and grandkids. We eventually traded the ECHO, primarily for that reason. We now have a VW Jetta TDI (Diesel). Great milage, 50 mpg, strong AC and no complaints. Toyota is aware of the AC issue, but won't change it. They should. It's a great car for seniors too.
  • slimtexslimtex Posts: 4
    Thanks to cwo4 for the info on his 2000 and that after 3 to 4 visits to the dealer he still had the problem. Anyone else out there have the problem in my previous post? I can't believe that only two of us have had this problem. I am wondering if when you are going 65 to 70mph then the compressor cuts out like when you accelerate to pass a car. Frankly I'm looking for fuel to get the attention of Toyota. Thanks for any help. I am still high on Toyota products, also have a Sequoia, but this one gets to me.
  • mltomekmltomek Posts: 24
    i had a 2000 echo, traded it for a 2001 rav-4, and missed the echo so much got a 2002 echo which i AM keeping.

    point is this, the a/c was weak or so it felt in my 2000 echo---my 2002 is much stronger---my brother's 2000 echo is weaker than my 2002 echo's a/c and about the same in my 2000 echo. maybe it was model year 2000.

    it wasn't unbearable but the instant u turned it off the car was hot again. i was always comfortable--but i am more comfortable in my 2002 echo---stronger air it seems.

    i love my echo---best car i have ever had!!! my brother thinks so too!!

    mike
  • krakatokrakato Posts: 30
    Hooray, my ECHO has been fixed! (see my earlier post on cool engine acceleration problem). It took some time in the shop to be resolved because it has been so hot here in Tucson that the engine would not stay cold long enough to allow the technician/computer to diagnose the problem. (We've had 15 straight days with temps > 105 degrees!) Finally they were able to figure out what was causing the strange behavior: a faulty "mass airflow sensor." If I understand it correctly, this sensor monitors the air going into the intake and the car's computer uses the reading to decide whether to add air or fuel. My car's sensor was giving faulty readings when the engine was cool (blue light on). So they replaced the sensor and everything is working great now. It's wonderful to have my ECHO back after several days without it!
  • peacock79peacock79 Posts: 1
    I just bought a 2002 Echo (black, 4-door) 3 days ago. I love it so far, it has less than 60 miles on it, but am experiencing a problem already. The malfunction indicator light stays on when I start the engine and won't shut off. Has anyone experienced this problem when their car was brand new? I am taking it to the service department tomorrow, hopefully it is nothing major.
  • I've had my Echo since may 17, 2002. It's a 2Dr, Auto, with A/C. I now have about 2,900 Miles on it. I generally love it, but have to admit I'm a bit disappointed in the gas mileage, and don't know if I should be or not. My daily drive is about 40 Miles, mixed Highway and City in NYC, with LOTS of stop and go and lots of highway jam ups. I'd say I use the A/C about 60% of the time, so far. I have been getting on average, about 28 MPG. On a Trip To Maryland, which was about 90% Highway driving, all with the A/C, I got about 36 MPG. My service dept guy said, "well that's NYC for you. He doesn't think it's abnormal, but from reading posts and reviews here and elsewhere, it definitely seems like I'm on the EXTREME low end of what I should be getting? Any suggestions? Any Solutions?
  • sluglineslugline Posts: 391
    Based on what you just wrote, I don't see anything wrong. I think the auto ECHO has EPA ratings of 31/38, and you're not that far off. If you read the FAQ at www.fueleconomy.gov, you can find out more about how they test. I don't believe that the "city" simulation includes any stop-and-go, just stoplight-to-stoplight driving.
  • kaz6kaz6 Posts: 331
    I have a 4-door w/5-spd and do an 11 mile (each way) commute through Beverly Hills in California.
    The commute is very hard on the car as it involves a lot of hard starts and stops and lot's of idle time in rush hour. If I use the A/C and drive during the rush hour times I get between 28-32mpg. The 11 mile trip can take as long as 45 minutes!
    I had a Ford ZX-2 prior to my ECHO and it got as low as 17mpg on the same route!!!
    Make sure your tires are inflated properly as even 1lb of pressure off can lower mileage considerably.
  • kellyd2kellyd2 Posts: 1
    Hi, I have a 2002 Echo. I really like my car, but I have found one problem that's driving me crazy. When I want a window down instead of using the AC, the vacuum created is going to rupture my eardrum one of these days. The only way to get around it is to open all the windows, all the way. Anybody else have this problem or know of how to fix it?
  • pidzypidzy Posts: 12
    For three weeks my Echo has had a intermitent problem where it will not start. I need to boosted the battery to get it started. However, it will not hold the charge for more than a day. It was finally towed to Toyota where they replaced the battery. It held for a week. No it won't work again but with a twist. It will turn the starter and light the lights inside, but that is it.

    I did notice that this all started when my radio went dead. It does not work anymore and Toyota is ordering a new one. But they say it has nothing to do with the problem.

    Any ideas???
  • I just bought a new 2002 Echo last week, and I love it. I haven't had any problems yet, however, I noticed the other day that there was water dripping underneath under the car when we parked it. It was a fairly good drip, producing a decent puddle beneath the car. I pointed it out to my husband, and he says it's normal when you run the a/c a lot. I have no idea, cos I've never owned a new car, and never noticed it on any other car I've owned...but I've seen it on cars others own. So I'm curious if it really is normal, or if I should be worried and take it in. i've had no warning lights come on or anything, and there's no noises or lack of power or anything else.... Thanks
  • TRUST YOUR HUSBAND ON THIS ONE---HE AIN'T LYING. ITZ SIMPLY CONDENSATION--HAPPENS ON EVERY MAKE AND MODEL AFTER THE A/C IS RAN. I KINDA LAUGHED WHEN U ASKED THAT, BUT TRUST ME, YOUR HUBBY IS RIGHT. THE ECHO IS A WONDERFUL CAR!!! TOYOTA QUALITY!!

    MIKE
  • toyotakentoyotaken Posts: 897
    Try opening the rear window on the opposite side of the car from the window in front that you're opening. Even if you open it just a crack, often it will relieve the preasure that builds up when you only have one window open. This is a common issue with most new cars regardless of make or model.
  • tbeltztbeltz Posts: 1
    I've had my 2003 Echo with automatic transmission for about a month. Overall, I love the car. However, when the engine is cold (first few minutes after start up), the automatic transmission refuses to shift out of 2nd gear until the engine warms up, or unless I accelerate past 3,500 rpm. My son thinks its normal and that is has to do with the torque converted somehow.

    Anyone with some knowledge of this issue, please give me a shout. Thank you very much!
  • imgg13imgg13 Posts: 1
    MY A/C IS REALLY WORKING STRANGE. DURING THE HOT AFTERNOON IT DOES NOT COOL VERY WELL. ITS REALLY BAD DURING STOPPING AND STARTING TRAFFIC. OUT OF THE VENTS I ONLY GET ABOUT 65 TO 70 DEGREE AIR. IF I AM ON THE HIGHWAY IT GETS COOLER, BUT ONLY ABOUT 55 DEGREE'S. (MY FORD MINI=VAN GET WELL INTO THE 40,S WITHIN MINUTES) I CAN RUN THE ECHO FOR EVER AND IT NEVER GETS THAT LOW. ALSO WHEN I STOP AT A LIGHT. THE TEMP. RISES ABOUT 10 DEGREES. THE REALLY STRANGE THING IS THAT AT NIGHT THE AIR WORKS FINE. NICE AND COLD. I HAD IT TO THE DEALER TWICE AND THEY REPLACE MOST OF THE SYSTEM AND CONTROLS BUT ITS STILL BAD. NOBODY WANTS TO BE IN THE BACK SEATS CAUSE ITS TOO HOT!!! ANYBODY HAD THIS PROBLEM, AND HOW YOU FIX IT?
  • Hello, I'm a newish Echo owner who just went through her first "real" winter here in upstate NY with an Echo. The car (and perhaps the driver!) performed pretty poorly, a lot of scary sliding and having to drive at 5 and 10 MPH and still going offroading. No serious incidents, of course, but enough to get me thinking.

    I also have trouble with the car hydroplaning and failing to get traction in the rain. For example, stopping at a red light on a wet day means I'll spin wheels for a good 5 seconds before the wheels grab the road. This doesn't happen every time, so it makes me even more nervous that I can't predict it!

    I'm still on the original equip. for the wheels on this car, (30K mileage on them, just) and I'm wondering if they aren't just very low quality since the car is somewhat lower end? I know I'll have to get snowtires for NY winters, but I was shocked at the trouble I have even in rain.

    Is this a normal experience? I freely admit I am probably a little bit of a lead-foot and have no doubts as to that as a cause, too!

    Does anyone have a suggestion regarding good tires, especially for snow? This isn't really a "problem" with the Echo per se but I was wondering if anyone else had a similar experience.

    Thank you!
  • pulgopulgo Posts: 400
    If you spin your wheels on a wet day for 5 seconds either your tires are seriously worn and/or overinflated or you are pressing on the accelerator to hard.

    Do you have a manual transmission?

    With my 01 Echo, AT, Michelin tires, now at 70k miles I never have any problems starting on a wet surface, not even going uphill. It is difficult to get the wheels to spin.

    In snow the car drives beautifully, no problems whatsoever. I purchased a set of inexpensive winter/snow tires @ Walmart and use them from December to March. Where I live - 50 miles east of Vancouver, BC- I get quite a bit of snow and ice in winter and so far my Echo has handled these conditions just fine.

    Get new tires, inflate them properly, be easy on the gas when you start and you should have no problems.

    Important, slow down when it is wet, don't exceed 50 mph on wet surfaces, go much slower if icy, shift, steer and brake in slooow motion.
  • I would have to agree with Pulgo...

    Original Equipment tires are usually not the best. I had Dunlops on my 2001 Sentra as Original Equipment and they were so bad the first winter I drove them. I ended up replacing them after accumulating only 40,000 KM's on them. Pretty crappy. I switched to Goodyear Alleras and have had no problems what so ever. My suggestion is to get new tires and be sure that they are a decent brand with a good tread warranty.
  • Hi there

    I've been told that the tires on Canadian Echo's are different than the U.S. models. This has come up before.

    I suspect the tire choice just isn't the greatest for the North Eastern U.S. I would suggest you get the Michelins we have or something similar.

    I've had mine for over a year now and have no problems hydroplaning or sliding, and I live in Vancouver, where it's very wet, and when it snows, well, you're on your own.

    martyn
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