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Toyota Echo Maintenance and Repair

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,781
    Here's info on a knock sensor and what it does:

    http://auto.indiamart.com/auto-part/autopart-k.html

    Location varies with the car. Sometimes on the intake manifold or sometimes on the engine near the bell housing. Usually it's "high up".

    No high octane fuel won't get rid of carbonization. Some additives claim to do this but I'm a bit skeptical. Heavy carbon is very tough to remove. It's even hard to scrape off with a knife!

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  • Thank you once again Mr. Shiftright. I hope to find a solution to the pinging in the next week. Once I do I will post the answer.

    Squeaks
  • I have a 2000 Echo I had a small exhaust leak it was under the center console so to speak there is a joint there where the exhaust comes out of the motor and bends to go straight under the veh. I took it to a local muffler shop they fixed it for $100.00 it was worth it because I delayed a little and the leak got worse and fumes started to come in the car. I hope this helps
  • Well I did take care of the pinging problem. I had two or three people test drive the car but only one mechanic told me it was the belts. I told him how they were serviced and should have solved the problem. He recommended a pair of Goodyear Gatorback belts. I tried them and he was right.

    Mr. Shiftright.....thank you for all your help and sorry to have been such an inconvenience.

    At present I am trying to score a sweet deal on a 2003 Echo sedan with 27,000 original kms. We may become a two Echo family.

    Squeaks
  • xntrkxntrk Posts: 2
    Maybe it's just me, but I'm finding it hard to locate a place that sells the axle-back, twin outlet pipe exhaust for the Echo Hatchback. I live in Toronto and would probably have to order it ... I know. But even on ebay, on the web in general, I'm having a hard time finding aftermarket hop-ups for my RS.

    Does anyone know any places (other than the dealership) that I can order/pick up parts for my RS hatchi? :confuse:
  • In April of 2005 I had to replace Front Rotors on my 2002 Echo at 29,000km at a cost of $112 labor and $110 Parts They were rusted out and could not be machined. I contacted Toyota Canada and after review they sent me a $200 voucher. I now have a 2005 Echo that required front pads, shims, machining of rotors(caught in time), and caliper servicing at 19,360 km (16 months) at a cost of $282.56. I have contacted Toyota Canada again and am awaiting their review for compensation. I have read some other comments and this seems a little too common. I love the Toyota product and quality, but I think they need to reconsider their out sourcing of brakes and brake components. I noticed in message 183 on Sept 20 that "jmrbk" had his rotors covered under warranty at 18,000 km. Is that because they were warped and not rusted. I was under the impression that brakes and components were not generally covered under warranty. Anyway, will get back when Toyota is done reviewing my file.

    Keon14 :confuse:
  • jmrbkjmrbk Posts: 18
    Yes, the first time (at 18,000 miles) the rotors were warped and they did cover it under warranty. The second time, they were rusted and I had to pay for new rotors. I wrote a lengthy letter to Toyota in California and they did compensate me $400 (I spent close to $500). The way that worked, though, is once I had receipts totaling $400 or more worth of work at a Toyota service dealer, I could submit them and they would then send me a check for $400. I did that this past December and they did quickly send me the check.

    At this point, I am planning on needing to replace the rotors every 18,000 miles (which seems totallly illogical) but Toyota denied any known defects.

    Good luck! I will be interested to hear what Toyota - Canada tells you.

    Jill
  • My '00 Echo has performed flawlessly from the get go...I have performed regular scheduled maintenance including oil changes (every 5K) and its a great car delivering about 40 mpg. At a recent trip to my Toyota dealer the service manager strongly encouraged the 90k mi service be done by the dealer (at a cost of ~$500). Most of the service I can do myself (air, oil filters, etc) but he insisted that the timing belt required chaging at a cost of $300. Has anyone had any bad experiences with timing belts beyond 100K mi? Should this part be routinely changed on the Echo at 90 K? Seems odd to me but I do want to continue my good service record and continue getting the excellent performance that my car has provided the last 6 years....advice please.
  • Hey Gary, do you want the goods, your Toyota dealer seem to be there for you, except one problem they forgot to tell you , are you sitting ,,, there is no timing belt ,ha its chain driven hows that for service ..nice surprise
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,690
    $500 for the "service" is a total ripoff. PLUS the BS about needing the timing "belt" changed means these clowns are incompetant at best and downright thieves at worst. Were your valve clearances checked at 60k miles? They should be if they werent. Everything else you can probably do yourself.
  • oops -- I think I made a mistake and used "belt" when I should have said "chain". This is my error and not the Toyota guy -- is changing the timing chain required service at 90k? at a price of $300? So my question is: does the timing chain need to be routinely replaced? Valve clearance was checked at 60k -- thanks for the responses and sorry about the confusion, --Gary
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,690
    No there is no service interval for the chain. Its possible the service guy has seen a chain break or give trouble, but I know of no one complaining about this. I would stay away from this place if I were you. You are getting bad advice here.
  • I agree with Kneisl, sounds like they are trying to soak you and who ever else on replacing the chain,
  • I just bought a 2005 Echo and the radio reception is lousy. Much worse than my previous car ('97 Geo Metro). Radio is the AM/FM only Model 1. I can get a few station well, but many are full of static or not there at all. I have seen a few postings about radios dying, but not about reception. The antenna was stuck but has been freed up and is extended all the way.

    How's your reception?

    Thanks,
    Jerry
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    is great, but I am not sure my experience counts because I have an aftermarket stereo.

    You might want to check and make sure the antenna lead is still connected to the back of the stereo? If you have no AM at all, it may have come loose.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,690
    Is the car still under warranty? Let the Dealer sort it out if so.
  • I checked the antenna connection to the back of the radio and it is solid (not so my arm after bending it in there!).

    The car is still under warranty but I wanted to see if others had the same problem - that would mean a low-quality radio, not a repairable defect. And if there was an easy test/fix, I'd rather do it myself than spend a lot fo time at the dealer!

    Thanks,
    Jerry
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,690
    My 2001 ECHO with the CD and cassette radio plays excellently. I am able to get 660 WFAN fron NYC (I live near Philly) and the football Giants broadcasts quite clearly. Better in fact, than any thing I have been able to wip up in the house. When the Giants arent on TV Im usually sitting in my car.
    Tell the dealer you want a new one!
  • I got error message P0031 during an inspection today. It translates to "HO2S Heater Control Circuit Low Voltage" (Bank 1 Sensor 1).

    I'd like to see if I can fix this myself. Can anyone give me any guidelines about which O2 sensor this is, and where it's located, so I can check the voltage?
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,690
    I have a service manual. Tonite Ill look up the code and see if the book has anything else about it. Worth a shot but dont hold your breath the manual is pretty bad.
  • Gotcha. No breath-holding, but I appreciate the effort. Thanks. :-)
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,690
    Ok. There is no p0031 in the book. There IS p0133 which also talks about voltage at the bank1 sensor 1. I believe thatrs the same thing.
    Book says use OBN 2 scan tool to check voltage at B1S1 (oxygen sensor) during idle. Run engine 2500 rpm for 90 sec before test.
    The oxy sensor output voltage should be less than .4 volt and greater than .55 volt. It will vary constantly between these figures. But at its lowest point it cant be greater than .4 or less than .55. They show a sine wave a little over .55 and a little lower than .4.
    If sensor is good do the driving test. (skip this for now ask me later I dont understand it yet.
    BUT if the voltage is no good it says check the wiring between the ECM and the sensor for shorts or opens.
    If THAT is good check the air induction system (have to read up on that will clue you in later after test)
    If THAT is good check fuel pressure. check lines and pump and filter )more on that later if need be)
    If THAT checks out replace oxy sensor.
    Still get a p0133? Replace ECM.

    Do the voltage test if you can and get back to me. I dont understand much about this but there are proceedures what to do based on the voltage test. GOOD LUCK and ask me questions I will try to answer!
  • Right. First, thank you for your help. I don't understand most of this; although the bit about what the parameters should be for the O2 sensor are helpful.

    My first problem is that I don't know which O2 sensor I need to check; the one before the catalytic converter, or the one after. Shoot.. I'm not even sure where they're located, if I do end up having to change them.

    Can you help me with that?
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,690
    Yes there are two sensors. There is a lousy picture drawing which names them but doesnt really show where they are! I would call toyota service and ask them. The name is bank 1 sensor 1. There is also bank 1 sensor 2. But your problem is bank1 sensor 1. There are two oxy sensors all you have to do is figure out which one is bank1 sensor1.
    To measure the voltage Im thinking all you have to do is use a digital volt meter. Find one of the sensors (doesnt matter which one it is) and use the + probe on the electrical connection and ground the - one to the chassis and see if you get a voltage.
    Anyway the deal is: if the voltage is GOOD tell me that andIll go on to the next step in the book. If its BAD you:
    1) check the wiring between the ECM and the sensor for shorts, dammage, etc.
    2)If the wiring checks out you check the air induction system.
    3)If the AIS is good you check the fuel pressure, fuel pump, and fuel filter.
    4) If those are good you replace the sensor.

    But thats getting ahead of ourselves. Try to find out from Toyota which of the oxy sensors is bank1 sensor1. Or just test both of them and find the one with the electrical properties that match the above. Ill try to find out the properties of bank2 sensor1 in the book tonite.
    For a shot in the dark you could just replace the sensor. How much could it be? How much will Toyota charge you just to muck about and not fix the problem?
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,690
    Bank1 sensor1 is the first sensor you come to in the exhaust system. That is, following the flow of exhaust from the engine to the tailpipe. So it must be the one before the cat.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,690
    The book further says you can disconnect the connector leading to the sensor and measure the ohms. Should be 16-20 ohms. This is true for either sensor. The connector for the second sensor is under the carper of the passanger seat if you want to check that too.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,690
    Looks like I got it a little wrong. The correct ohm reading is 11-16 ohms @ 20 degrees C.
  • fbrienfbrien Posts: 1
    Hi all,

    I am interested in buying a used Echo. But I am wondering how easy it will be to have it repaired since they will not make them anymore. Also, since I live in New York (an area where I have not seen many Echos, if any...), I am not sure if it would be easy to ship a place to repair it...

    Is the Echo standard enough as part of the Toyota family that it is very easy to repair and maintain?
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,781
    the xA uses the same platform as the Echo I think, and I believe that the Yaris is very much the same as well. I'd say no problems on the Echo. Maybe in years to come you'll have to special order body panels or some of the little trim pieces.

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  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,690
    Assuming you mean NYC yes an ECHO would be EXCELLENT to use there. Any Toyota dealer should have no problem fixing your ECHO. Nor would most repair shops for that matter.
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