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Mazda RX-8

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  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    The average pickup has more torque than the RX-8 also. What's your point?

    The RX-8 is intended to provide sportscar-like HANDLING coupled with good power in a car capable of carrying 4 adults in 'reasonable' comfort. IT IS NOT INTENDED TO REPLACE THE RX-7. Was the MX-6 supposed to be the successor to the MX-5? Why does everyone INSIST on comparing it to the RX-7?

    If you are primarily interested in torque in a 4 person sportscoupe, you may be better served by the G35. But don't look for a turbo version of the RX-8 (or future RX vehicles); blame more and more stringent emmissions regulations. The turbo rotary may very well be permanently dead.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 16,907
    I don't think the turbo is dead.. yet. They can work out the emissions, I'm sure. They would just put several cats on it like the WRX. There is always a solution. Besides, was the last gen RX7 that bad of a polluter? Was it just BARELY passing emissions?

    I do think the turbo will not happen if the RX8 doesn't sell well.

    Anybody used to a Celica GTS or RSXS or integra or any number of other small displacement sporty cars will be right at home in the RX8. Those cars all sold and sell well. Problem is, they are all cheaper than the RX8. I just hope the space and comfort make up for the price difference (haven't been in one yet, so I don't know).

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '08 Town&Country

  • the_big_hthe_big_h Posts: 1,583
    "Besides, was the last gen RX7 that bad of a polluter? Was it just BARELY passing emissions?"

    yes and yes.

    "Problem is, they are all cheaper than the RX8."

    and they are all FRONT WHEEL DRIVE.

    the pricing of the RX-8 is VERY competitive, and add the uniqueness and exclusivity of the rotary engine, it's pretty much a bargain.
  • himilerhimiler Posts: 1,209
    It's NOT a difference in space and comfort that represents the price difference between tha RSX and RX-8. It's the the superior performance, design and packaging of the RX-8. In fact, the RSX could be priced much lower than it is, since it shares its platform and major drivetrain components with a scad of other Honda vehicles. The Celica has many parts in common with the Corolla, not to mention the Matrix/Vibe twins.

    Unlike the RX-8, the Celica and RSX are economy cars at their cores. Honda and Toyota have strut suspensions and I4 motors lying around everywhere. If you want a rotary, there's only one game in town.
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    Well, as the owner of a Celica GTS, I can tell you some of the appeals the new RX-8 has for me: RWD, much better rear seat space and accessibility, RWD, tossibility, comfort, RWD, better interior materials, and RWD. For those of you comparing this to a GTS/RSX/Mazda 6/TSX/etc. etc., IMO you are missing out of one of the prime attractions of this car.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 16,907
    Hey, don't jump on the messenger. I'm just telling you what Joe Shopper will be doing. I would never buy an RSX or a Celica, but I am very interested in the RX8. But I do think you are talking about a compact sports coupe here. Those other cars are compact sports coupes. Not much you can do to change that. FWD vs. RWD? We shouldn't start that. Let's just say some folks prefer one and others prefer the other. And, believe it or not, there are those out there who don't care. *gasp*

    The price is competitive? With what? A BMW? A G35? You mean those luxury brand cars? The ones that many people use more as an accessory than for driving fun? I just don't see the common shopper thinking "hmmm... lexus, mercedes, audi, infinity, and... mazda!" The only real direct competition is the 350Z.

    You are missing my point on this one. I don't have faith in the buying public. I DO worry about the fate of the RX8. I REALLY want it to do well. I'm not so sure it will.

    BigH - thanks for the answers to my emissions questions. By any chance, do you have readouts from yours? I'm curious what the car is/was putting out.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '08 Town&Country

  • himilerhimiler Posts: 1,209
    Most people (like us) who already know about the RX-8 are aware that it offeres way more in terms of performance and sophistication than a run-of-the-mill FWD sports coupe. If Joe and Betty Shopper want to include it in that company, there's not a whole bunch Mazda can do about it other than stressing in the marketing materials the real nature of the car, as they are doing.

    I can see someone buying the 210HP version because they wanted a RSX-S but had to have an autobox, but other than that, I don't see much more cross-shopping (the 210HP Eclipse w/AT is already available, but is a much sloppier handler than the Acura or the RX-8).

    As difficult for you to believe as it may be, I am one of those people who will, when the time comes, take a hard look and compare the G35, IS300 and 325i to the 250HP RX-8. If the RX-8 gives me the comfort and performance it promises without all the near-lux frou-frou, than I'll buy it. I already know that I won't be considering the 350Z for the simple reason that it has even less utility than the RX-8.

    If the RX-8 can deliver 90% of what it promises, it'll do just fine in the marketplace. It's not intended to be a volume seller. Finding a niche is everything today, and Mazda has just created a new one.
  • the_big_hthe_big_h Posts: 1,583
    ahhahahahha

    let's just say I'm spewing ungodly amounts of NOx and CO into the atmosphere right now, and will most likely need a new cat on mine in order to pass emissions test :-(

    *waves goodbye to my money* *sniff*
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    What are your impressions regarding the possibility of a future turbo version of the Renesis motor in light of ever more stringent emissions requirements? Personally, I'm not sure that different/more cats are the answer since they are pretty inefficient until warm and the hardest part of the Government's emissions test is cold-start emissions.
  • the_big_hthe_big_h Posts: 1,583
    i'll have to defer until the rotary experts get their hands on a few of them and see what they have to say...

    i'm just a rotary enthusiast, not an expert... yet... ;-)
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 16,907
    Again, you aren't the common shopper. Virtually nobody here on Edmunds is.

    I can name just a handful of people I know who can tell me how much horsepower their car has or even how many cylinders it has. Sadly, most have no clue other than the brand and model (and sometimes not even the trim level).

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '08 Town&Country

  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
    This car definitely fits the bill for the sorts of people who were likely to buy 5-speed 5th gen Preludes. In virtually every way the RX-8 represents four or five years of evolutionary progress over a Prelude SH. It has similar power and weight in a similar package, with everything being just a bit more polished, at least from the window sticker perspective.

    So, if any of you ever wonder who would buy this car, ask those of us who had no problem putting down $25k+ for Preludes. Yeah, there aren't many of us, hence the car's death, but the RX-8 is the first vehicle since the Prelude's demise that fills its shoes. Yay!
  • aromasaromas Posts: 314
    If the RX-8 sells well enough to justify Mazda looking into a turbo for the Renesis I would guess it would be for the rumoured RX-7 since if the RX-8 is succesful the RX-7 wouldn't be far behind.

    I don't know if I consider myself joe shopper but I will be buying a sports car in the next couple of years(it will not see winter) and right now I'm considering 4 cars. The RX-8, 350Z(used), G35 coupe(used) and Miata if the 2005 redesign looks more aggressive. Miata is one car they should consider putting a turbo on. I just wish they didn't make it look so cute because that is one fun car to drive but I can't get over the "chick car" stigma. But then again from what I hear the RX-8 is just as fun so it's a good compromise.Back seats are nice to have but hey it's a sports car, they're supposed to be impractical. As long as I can fit the golf clubs somewhere I'll be happy.
  • himilerhimiler Posts: 1,209
    The RX-8's trunk was specifically designed to fit two sets of clubs.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    the old RX-7 I had for a while was probably the "dirtiest" car I have ever owned - they were well-known for dirty emissions by engine design - smog check time was always a battle for me. I would take a deep breath and plunge in!

    Supposedly most of that problem has been taken care of in the renesis engine, by moving the exhaust ports. So a turbo is perfectly possible in the future. I agree though, that it will probably not materialize unless they bring back the RX-7 - RX8 is supposed to be more of a sport sedan/coupe and as such the power expectations are lower.

    It will definitely face stiff competition from the 350Z and G35 coupe, also 325i coupe (and sedan? - higher priced than RX8), but its sales target numbers are lower than any of those models, so I have high hopes it will make it.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • the_big_hthe_big_h Posts: 1,583
    are VERY emissions-friendly for a rotary engine.

    and also reduces stress on the apex seals greatly.

    hurray for side exhaust ports!
  • aromasaromas Posts: 314
    One thing I am apprehensive about the RX-8 is the maintenance and service of the Renesis. I've heard the old RX-7 had reliability problems with the turbo (at least the 1st couple of years) I've also read that as long as the oil is changed at regular intervals little else is required in maintenance over a conventional engine. Is there any reason not to put synthetic in? Also can Joe mechanic service a rotary if a breakdown occurs and a Mazda dealership isn't nearby?

    Is there any old RX-7 owners who have difficulties getting repairs done? Any sports car I buy I plan to have for a long time so I don't want end up with a car long term nobody knows how to repair(or costs an arm and a leg) if the Renesis only has a 4 or 5 year run.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    rotaries consumed oil by design - it was trickled into the engine to lubricate the apex seals...so if the new one does the same, it might be rather expensive using synthetic...

    The old ones had a few quirks, my gen-2 was easily flooded if you started it up and shut it down too soon for instance, but for the most part they can be worked on by "Joe Mechanic".

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 16,907
    I did read synthetic was bad for the RX7 just for the reason stated by nipponly. It doesn't burn and/or lubricate the seals correctly. I'm sure someone here with the car can explain it better.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '08 Town&Country

  • the_big_hthe_big_h Posts: 1,583
    Renesis does as well, just that the oil injector has improved so that very little oil is needed to lubricate the seals. (I think it's like 1 quart for every 50,000 miles or something, used to be 1 qt every 5,000 miles)

    people used to recommend ONLY conventional oil, as the older synthetics formulas don't burn cleanly, and left deposits in the rotor housings. Many 3rd gen RX-7 owners have been using modern synthetics like Mobil 1 and have excellent results.

    What would I use when I get the RX-8? I'll use conventional oil until some other brave soul tries synthetic and reports back significant performance improvement :-)
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