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  • The RX8 is significantly cleaner than the RX7. An EPA site rates vehicle emissions using a numerical system that allows vehicles in different classes to be compared. The RX8 scored an 8. By comparison, the 5-speed Insight scored 7. (Prius was a 10, of course.) The RX7 isn't even clean enough to sell in the US.

    While it may not merit COTY honors, the Renesis engine is a technological advancement in that it is a cleaner rotary.
  • Hi,

    I am just wondering what kind of gas mileage my fellow RX-8 owners have been getting. I got mine three months ago and haven't driven it a lot. It's got 1250 miles on it. I drove it last weekend when I went out of town. Even on the highway, I am getting only 19 miles per gallon.

    Are you guys getting similar gas mileage?

    Thanks.

    Ray
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,448
    Hello....hello????? (echo, echo, echo). Anybody in here????? (echo)....

    Just stopped by after unwrapping all the gifts, spreading joy to loved ones, got the fire in the fireplace stoked, waiting for the "rest of the crowd" to show up with 'nog and Christmas delicacies.

    From all that I've read in the automotive press, the RX8 has indeed made quite an impact on the automotive world based on the universal accolades it has received.

    The idea of the Prius being "head and shoulders" better than the RX8, personally, I dont' see it. Two very different cars. The only similarity is the fact that they use unique forms of power. One, gets great gas mileage, with the help of an electric motor (albeit the best iteration of such a set-up) while exhibiting mundane sedan tendencies. The other is a powerful update (and a very good one) of one of the most innovative power plants in the history of internal combustion engines, wrapped in a sexy body and interior, with high quality build and materials, that happens to be comfortable while also being among the best handling cars currently on the road.

    MPG? The RX8 matches that of the 350Z (according to Edmunds long term test results which pegs the Z between 14-19 MPG). I would assume the G35C would get worse MPG since it is several 100 pounds heavier. I get 17-18 MPG in town, 22-24 MPG on the highway and about 19 MPG in mixed driving.

    RENESIS is "dirty"? That's false. As a matter of fact, based on the production vehicle tests, it can meet or exceed LEV pollution standards once it's results are submitted.

    Tight interior? Again, don't see that. I'm 6' and 180 lbs and find the interior quite comfy. Now, if you're pushing 250-300 lbs, I could see where you might think it's "tight".

    As all the press has said, the RX8, as a stand alone piece, is outstanding...besting the 350Z/G35/Audi TT, among others. It's also been called the "best RX, yet" and a "worthy successor to the famous RX7".

    Happy and safe motoring to all over this holiday season.

    Best to all....and a special thanks to all the hosts here at Edmunds for allowing (sometimes disallowing) all of us to discuss one of our favorite past times....cars.

    "...and to all a good night..."

    GRAPHICGUY
  • Who cares how great the Prius technology supposedly is. How many people who bought an RX-8 would even consider a Prius? I don't care how fuel efficient or clean it is. Gas is cheap and plentiful and noboby has invented anything better than the internal combustion engine to power cars. I personally don't buy any of the junk science or wacko environmentalism propoganda pushed by NPR and the rest of the 'sky is falling' crowd.

    Let those who want a Prius get one, the rest of us can watch them poking along in our rear view mirrors.
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Posts: 3,475
    The RX8 is nice sporting auto. But not still not COTY vs. the Prius. More actual drivers will actually be able to actually use what the Prius offers. I'm 6'6' 220 and the Prius fits much better front and rear.

    LEV is nice but still not the near NOev the Prius emits.

    17 MPG aint 50. So that's not even worth discussing on a COTY scale. Heck a Vette can do mid 20 MPG AND scald a RX8's butt.. with pushrods.

    I find it amazing that writers will call this RX better than the last iteration when the last ones only shortcoming versus this one may be in the reliability area. Cause that last RX R1 would literally forget this one existed in a head to head. I wonder why no one has done THAT comparo?

    It's not a RX/Prius comparo. I'm just answering the previous question why the RX did not win COTY and the Prius did. Considering the Prius is sold out for months and there are storage lots full of RX's, that should answer that.

    As the previous owner of 2 RX7's I don't see the RX8 as that much improved. Adding a back seat never amounted to an improvement. Replacing the readily upgradable RX Turbo engine with this lower hp one doesn't seem much of an upgrade either. I'll take a little vapor lock and poor emmisions to be able to spank nearly anyones butt of the line with a couple of tweaks.

    I lament the departure of the 300ZX Twin Turbo but I'm not one of those that finds the 350Z an improvement just because it's here. The interior is like plasticland and the engine is down on power from the last 3.0. That doesn't sounmd like an improvement to me. That's just some other car.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    Seasons Greetings from Hilton Head!

    Coincidentally, I was about to post on this forum what I considered an unusual event, when I see above it might not be.

    My niece is in from London and joined our extended for the trip from Atlanta to Hilton Head. We caravaned on Tuesday and she was given the local Mazda general managers personal RX-8 (GT 6-speed w/4,000 miles) to try out. She drove alone (and weighs 110+/- lbs). My wife, brother in law and his wife rode in my 2002 M5 (collective body weight of approximately 650 lbs, plus 150+/- lb of luggage). Here's the tale of the tank when we re-filled up at Hilton Head Exxon:

    Distance driven: 316.5 miles (RX8 odometer showed 320 miles for same exact route). Average speed 72 mph (no tickets). Road & weather conditions: flat and perfect.

    M5: 12.72 gallons = 24.88 mpg
    RX8: 14.45 gallons = 21.90 mpg

    For the record, I have also made this run in a neighbor's S2000 and averaged 30+/- mpg at 80 mph with the top down. In my previous 540i 6-speed, I averaged 26+ mpg for the route.

    I'm not advocating that golf_nut (of which I am one) or anyone else turn in their RX8 for a Toyota Prius or Honda Civic. But clearly, this is pitiful fuel efficiency for a lightweight car with average power. I actually suspected that the car might have a gas tank leak, but there is no evidence of that after sitting overnight and checking under the car.

    The fact that a 400 hp 4,000 lb M5 hauling 800 lb can substantially outaccelerate a 3,000 lb RX8 and get 3 mpg more on the highway suggests to me that Mazda's engineers need to go back to the drawing board. And to think I am the one that paid a bloody $2,200 gas guzzler tax back in 2002!!

    I see no benefit whatsoever to rotary technology that requires more fuel to make less power and drinks oil in the process. My niece was told to check the oil at every fill-up. Good God, this is an improvement on the old RX7?? I think not. On most other counts, my niece liked the RX8, but the engine - in terms of both performance and fuel efficiency - is 2-3 rungs down the ladder from the 2.0 liter VTEC used by Honda in the S2000 and even the 3.0 liter inline 6 in her BMW 330ci. Not to mention the likelhood of major rebuilds in 4-5+ years. If Mazda insists on rotary simply to be different, they should at least be hit with a gas guzzler tax based upon real world fuel efficiency below an M5.
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,448
    RX8, 350Z, G35, Audi TT, Benz SLK/Chryco XFire are all competitiors. All bring different strengths and weaknesses to the table. All get about the same MPG give or take 10%.

    An M5 has it's own weaknesses. Still a nice car, but one that costs about 2X as much as any of those mentioned above.

    While I've never owned a 5 Series BMW, I have owned two 3 Series. One good, one bad. While they are fine during the warranty period, whatever minimal $ differences there would be at the pump, my BMWs certainly cost me dearly in maintenance after the warranty period was up.

    The amazing part about the RENESIS, is that it puts out so much power from just a 1.3L engine.

    Rebuild it at 45K miles? Don't know where that came from as there aren't any out there with that many miles on them yet.

    My RX8 hasn't used a drop of oil in 5,600 miles of driving. Still, in ANY car, it's a good idea to check the oil about every other fill-up.

    If the RX7 is any guage, the rotaries are capable of 200K+ miles.

    If your main criteria is "off the line grunt", then the Corvette is the answer. IF you want turbine smoothness and power throughout the rev range, plus winding out the car to 9K RPMs (which is a thrill, in and of itself), then the RX8 is the only ticket.

    The only place to go to get significantly better performance than the RX8 would be the Corvette in my opinion. Of course, those cost significantly more, too. My neighbor has a C5. He gets about 15 MPG cruising around town. He has to put up with the ludacrous "skip shift", however. On the highway, it is amazing, but he does get 26 MPG from a big, honkin' V8.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    Not quite. I happen to own one of the 30+ highway mpg 9,000 rpm S2000 that is both quicker than and more fuel efficient than the RX-8.

    I have also briefly looked into the M3 convertible and, according to the 3-4 M3 owners I've talked to, BMW's seem to get consistently higher mileage on the highway than their EPA ratings (25-27 for the 6-speed M3 vs. a rating of 23/24). Not that fuel efficiency is much of an issue with a sports car, but if Mazda's EPA rating drops 1-2 mpg (as real world performance suggests), they will be subject to a gas guzzler tax which I suspect will significantly hurt sales. They are already selling at or near invoice in the DC area and a $1,000 gas guzzler charge won't help things. And lest you think an EPA rating change isn't possible or likely, the EPA rating on the 2004 S2000 was lowered by 1-2 mpg. Any spec change in the RX8 engine will automatically trigger an EPA review and the repeated reports of below average MPG has also triggered revised EPA ratings in the past. The RX-8 is living on the edge, which, any way you look at it, is not good for a high tech, low torque, "amazing" 1.3 liter engine. Even Porsche has kept the Boxster S and base 911 out of gas guzzler tax trouble.
  • pathstar1pathstar1 Posts: 1,015
    Based on previous models, I would expect 200,000 mi or more on the engine. Granted, I'm comparing it to the last NA rotary (1991), which had the exhaust port on the rotor housing, but I doubt there is going to be a problem with the side ports. Usually the apex seals wear thin and crack, and that is what determines end of life for a NA rotary (turbo engines usually fail from overheating or turbo boost control system failure causing over-boost and catastrophic failure of the apex seals due to detonation). I would expect the apex seals to last longer with no exhaust port to "ride over".

    I'm told by usually reliable sources that the fuel mixture was richened to meet the 120,000 mi mandated life for the cat. This will impact mileage.

    I think calling the engine a 1.3L is a bit exagerated, though I know many think that way. In Europe it is considered to be a 2.6L. I think a case could be made that it is 1/2 way between these extremes. It's just too different compared to a piston engine to use the same methods to calculate displacement.
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,448
    My appologies...the S2000 would be the other "hi revver". Of course, there's no back seat and little room in the S2000. That, in my opinion doesn't detract from what the car is, however.

    It's one of the best convertibles on the market.

    The RX8 plays in a little bit of a different sandbox than the S2000.

    I do everything from getting groceries, to throwing my "golf sticks" in the trunk to stuffing the Christmas gifts to be returned in my RX8 (which is what I'm headed off to do)...and do all of that while remaining comfy with a top notch stereo and one of the best combos of quickness/handling cars on the market. What amazes me even more...that such a quick and great handling car can be so comfortable at the same time.

    Gas guzzler tax? I get 19 MPG in mixed driving in my RX8 and regularly get low 20s MPG when on the interstate. I don't hardly consider that qualifying as subject to that tax. There are many more people getting similar MPG to what the MSRP says the RX8 should get than those that aren't. There are even some who are getting 30 MPG with their RX8 (at least one of them is actually in my local RX club).

    We have 4 locals in the RX club in my burg that own an RX8. We are all getting close to what the MSRP sticker says we should get.

    Given the capabilities of my RX8, that's totally acceptable to me.

    To be fair, there are some who are getting 14-19 MPG with their RX8s. To put it into perspective, that's the same as Edmunds is getting with their long term 350Z test.

    As mentioned before, I've owned 2 BMWs. I'm a BMW fan. Fact is, I enjoy the RX8 more. MPG in both wasn't dissimilar to what I'm getting with the RX8.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,599
    Sphinx - as far as that category goes, the new Z doesn't belong. Its far from practical. No back seat and, thanx to the tower brace, a very restrictive cargo space.

    gee35 - "I'm just answering the previous question why the RX did not win COTY and the Prius did."
    this recent discussion is based on North American Car of the Year. The Prius has not won, yet. The winner won't be announced till next month.

    '13 Stang GT; '15 Fit; '98 Volvo S70; '14 Town&Country

  • gee35coupegee35coupe Posts: 3,475
    http://motortrend.com/oftheyear/car/112_04_coy_win/

    Motor Trend COTY get a lot of press.

    A few quotes relavant to the discussion.
    "EPA fuel-economy rating: 60 mpg in the city, 51 mpg on the highway"
    " the Prius qualifies for the California Air Resources Board's stringent Super-Ultra-Low-Emissions Vehicle "

    From a car that seats 5 comfortably and still runs 0-60 in under 10 sec. Come on...Where's the debate?

    By the way 04 RX8's $500 over invoice at Stone Mountain Mazda in Atlanta.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,599
    i know about motor trend. but i originally mentioned North American Car of the Year and that's when this discussion started up. Yeah, the Prius won motortrend, but not NACOTY. Just wanted to make sure you are on the same page as us.

    '13 Stang GT; '15 Fit; '98 Volvo S70; '14 Town&Country

  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,448
    Don't forget, Motor Trend was also the publication that picked past COTY luminaries such as the Renault Alliance, Chrysler "K" cars, Chevy Vega...among other automotive standouts.

    There are good car deals everywhere right now. If you're in the market for any car....a BMW, an Infiniti, a Mazda, a Honda, a Toyota....any of them...now's the time to make a deal until the 2nd week of January.

    I'm not saying the Prius won't be a good car....only that it's a hybrid that gets admittedly great MPG...as does the Honda Hybrid. So does a VW with the TDI powerplant. If MPG is your only criteria, then a Prius should be at the top of your list.

    You can buy a Camry around my neck of the woods, fairly loaded, for about $17K. The Prius is selling for $20K since it's new to the market. The Camry would have better performance, be more comfortable, and still get 30 MPG. At a $1.50/gal for gas, over 100,000 miles...you'd pay about an extra $2,000 in gas for the Camry vs the Prius. You're still coming up about $1,000 short by buying the Prius over the Camry based on the fuel economy differences over that 100,000 miles.

    I read an article that a cow's flatulence causes more air polution than any car made over the past 3 years. Car emissions are no longer the issue they were even 5-10 years ago.

    Again, not meaning to slight the Prius. It's a fine car. But if you do a little bit of a comparison, MPG and emissions aren't the "bugaboo" they were several years ago.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,645
    $17K is below invoice for a stripped base Camry, says Edmunds anyway.

    I think the appeal of Prius is for its futuristic promise. The appeal of the RX8 is for what you get right here right now. Sometimes the future is sexier, so I can see that influencing the voting.

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  • gee35coupegee35coupe Posts: 3,475
    But they put back seats in the 2nd generation and those models were/are the least desirable. They put back seats in the NA 300ZX and those are the least desirable now. They didn't bother to put back seats in the last generation RX or the Twin Turbo Z because the market doesn't want em. Heck, not even the 320hp Supra turbo could convince people that back seats were the way to go. A four door RX8 is a sedan with a door turned the wrong way. There are very affordable FWD sedans out there that could show the RX taillights on most of the real roads out there since corners aren't usually sharp enough for handling capability make a significant difference. I mean honestly...6.7 sec to 60 is not much faster than a couple of the cars in the sedan shoot out. And the Accord in particular had 240 hp and 30 mpg on the highway. An auto RX8 better bow down.

    Why would we discredit the MTCOTY with cars from over a decade ago. I mean the Focus was NACOTY and I'll bet it'll go down in history as one of the most recalled cars in years.

    There ARE deals to be had. But not on cars that were supposed to be a revolutionary as this one. The RX hasn't been on the market long enough to be heavily discounted. Resale for the first owners is gonna suck. I've been seeing low prices for the RX for a couple months now. I said this when it was intruduced. There is not as much of a market for this car in this country as Mazda thinks.

    The Honda Hybrid is a great car too. But not as powerful or large as the Prius. The Beetle also doesn't get as good mileage as the Prius AND is a diesel so emmission will suck in this country since we have sorry diesel.

    Check the option list and I'm sure the Camry you can get for $17 will be a little short on equipment. Not to mention a little higher on emmissions. Even at 30 mpg the Camry would still be HALF of the 60 mpg city on the Prius. Again there's no debate.

    If car emmission wasn't the issue, there would still be an RX7 Turbo or even an RX8 Turbo. But there aren't because of.....emmissions and fuel economy. It's an issue somewhere.

    Can't comment much about the cows though.
  • Hello Everyone,

    I've been thumbing through the post on this forum and for the most part, I have been entertaining the idea of purchasing an RX8 and had a few questions for you current Rx8 owners.

    First, I don't want to start a "holy war" in terms of which vehicle(s) are better, but just for the record, here are the vehicles that I am considering. Also, I am looking to purchase my next vehicle in addition to keeping my 2003 GMC Envoy XL V-8.. it's just too big for everyday driving!

    #1. Honda Accord V-6 Coupe with Navigation -- Practicality, lots of bang for the buck and "sort of" fills my desire for a practical 2 door sports car. Will have to retrofit HID's though?

    #2. Nissan 350Z Roadster -- Very nice vehicle, but fully loaded will run me over $40K and I understand that most are paying full sticker? Ick..

    #3. Cadillac CTS Luxury Sport Model -- I know.. what the heck? Well.. I can get GM discount on this vehicle and it does have a lot of bang for the buck, distinctive styling and a new V-6 engine that has plenty of "power."

    #4. Infiniti G35 Coupe -- Very nice vehicle, excellent handling, elegant look but can also get kinda pricy?

    My questions for you current RX8 owners:

    A. IF I am to purchase an RX8, I will get the automatic version fully loaded. Since the auto decreases the horsepower, I am a little worried that I would be dissapointed in the long run with the overall power of the vehicle? Anyone care to comment on the Auto's 0-60 mph times and/or experiences with the automatic? Personally, my V-8 Envoy is a beast, but it will surely keep your spine securely fastened to the seat during acceleration. I kinda consider it to be my extra large sports car! If the RX8 will feel slower than my Envoy, I really do think that I would be dissapointed.

    B. In terms of gadgetry.. I will more than likely purchase the Navigation system. One of my biggest concerns is that I don't think that the RX8 comes with a trip computer that tells you MPG, Instantaneous, Distance to Empty, etc? Can someone please tell me if the Navi system contains a trip computer?

    C. I've read different comments posted here about the reliability of the engine (i.e. stalling, etc). What are the top issues related to the engine that I should be aware of?

    D. Last but not least, for those current RX8 owners, would you consider buying again if you had a chance to do it all over again?

    Thanks in advance for your help..

    IExplore2000
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,448
    Issues will exist with any car.

    Depends on what you want.

    Honda's reputation speaks for itself. Nice cars, just more "middle of the road" than what I prefer. They had issues early with their automatic trannys, but haven't heard anything of late.

    350Z...punishing ride...some fit and finish shortcomings...subpar interior. All that said, along with the RX8, they are one of the current benchmarks amont mid-level sports cars.

    G35C....some brake problems, but Infiniti seems to be aware of them. A 350Z with some of the rough edges smoothed out. Probably the closest competitor to the RX8.

    CTS....I have no clue. I've never driven one. Styling is subjective, but I don't like the boxy look they have gone to.

    Automatic version of the RX8 blunts some of it's performance. Mine is the 6-speed, but have driven the automatic at local user's groups. Feels more like your previously mentioned Accord, except when you get on the upper reaches of the tach, at which time it becomes very quick. The best handling car of the group you're looking at. Very easy to drive very fast...regardless of the curves (or straight line) road.

    The NAV does not have any MPG, DTE, etc readings. That said, I've owned cars with those types of readouts in the past. I can say, at best, they are inaccurate. The NAV system itself, is one of the best out there. Most NAVs use NAVTECH, which seems to be the preference for all manufacturers.

    There have been a few people on another board that have mentioned flooding. The vast majority of us have not experienced that issue. In fairness, flooding any car becomes an issue when the wheather changes. My neighbor's '03 Accord was flat bedded to the dealer a couple of weeks ago becuase it flooded.

    For what it's worth, the RX8 was chosen as a "Top 10 Best" by C&D. A few months ago, C&D also did a sports car "shootout" comparing the RX8 to the Cobra and G35C. The RX8 won that one, too. "TopGear" in the UK tested the RX8. Clarkson called it the "best car driven" this year....including the 350Z. It also matched the track numbers of the BMW M3 and the 350Z Track. Of course, you can read what Edmunds has to say about the RX8 here in the "Sports Car Shootout" article. There are other reviews from Australia, and other parts of the world if you want to do a search.
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,448
    shifty...new '03 Camry LEs around the OH area are selling for right around $18K give or take a couple hundred (right at around invoice and it being the end of the year). Plus, there's a $750 rebate through Toyota. That gets right near the $17K figure I was using in my previous comparison. I agree with you about the Prius being more of a "look what we can do?" kind of car. I see it more appealing to the Western States than the rest of the country, however. Hybrids, diesels, etc, just don't get much attention here in the midwest.

    Short supply reminds me of the pre-orders for the RX8 when they were first shown last year at the International Auto Show in Detroit. Prius production will eventually catch up.

    iexplore....one question you asked that I failed to answer...would I but my RX8 again? In short, an unqualified YES!

    Just as a side note, I had test driven a bunch of cars before buying the RX8 in August. Aside from the RX8, I spent a lot of time with both the 350Z and the G35C. Matter of fact, the local Infiniti dealer let me use a G35 over a weekend (SMs demo car). I had test driven the 350Z on several occasions over about a 2 month period.

    You really should test drive an RX8 to see what everyone else raves about.
  • iexplore.....as one of the few vocal Auto RX8 owners here, I can say that YES, if I had to do it all over again, I would buy my RX8! Best darn car I've ever owned. That being said, I have to say it is slower than the 6speed, but for me that was not a deal breaker - how she drives was the important feature. And she drives quite nicely! Please do what we have done and take a good, full day to test drive the RX8 back to back with some of your other choices. All of your choices are great cars, so I don't think you can go wrong with any of them, but for me, the RX8 was perfect in all ways - looks, handling, features, agility, comfort, visibility, and price. And seeing how I spend 80% of my driving day in bumper-to-bumper or on interior city roads, the automatic makes my life easier! Now, go test drive one!!
  • blh7068blh7068 Posts: 376
    "You really should test drive an RX8 to see what everyone else raves about."

    I just visited the local mazda dealership...It looked like they had at least 7-9 rx-8s in stock, mostly 6 speeds in mainly red or silver.

    Im afraid to actually drive one because it would likely put me in a bad frame of mind(I'll really want one and actually would try to do a deal on one, when really my financial ducks are not in order at this time). So for now I'll just enjoy occasional visits to the dealership on sundays(when they are closed!).

    Earlier this fall On one of my visits the local dealer had a yellow 6 speed...I thought that was pretty sharp! Have yet to see a green one though.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,889
    There's a great write up on the RX8 in this week's autoweek!

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  • Thanks to everyone that responded to my posting!

    Yesterday, I took the advice of those who responded and drove an RX-8 today in both 6-speed and Automatic forms.

    For the most part, I was fairly impressed with the 6-speed, but the automatic was somewhat questionable? How can I best explain it? Driving the auto RX8 reminded me of driving my aunts 2003 Volkswagon Passat 1.8T? OK.. what I mean by this is that the 1.8T from a stand still is a slow beast... then about 2 or 3 seconds later, the power comes on full speed ahead! It's one of those, "don't jump out in front of rush hour traffic vehicles." That's how I can best describe my experience with the RX8 automatic. It wasn't bad to drive, but I definitely can see getting my butt kicks at a stop light against someone driving something with raw V-6 power? Also, the ride was awesome! Very easy to get in/out and the fit and finish was excellent.

    Secondly, we were out on the freeway and it seems as if the tranny's thinking was a little too slow for my taste? It needed to react a second quicker for merging, etc. It just didn't seem too intuitive if you know what I mean? However, I did love the paddle shifters!

    Third, I really wish that the RX8 had an auto climate control (set and forget) as opposed to the manual system? That kinda bugged me for a vehicle in this price range. Additionally, I wished that it had a full function trip computer to tell you DTE, MPG, etc.. I really find that stuff useful.

    FOURTH and probably the most important... I had convinced myself that I could live without all of the creature comforts but when my salesman offered the following information without my input, I became instantly cold. He mentioned that since this is a rotary engine, it will basically burn more oil (purposely) than other vehicles and that after every third fillup, I will need to check/add oil as necessary??? Also, he mentioned that it does not and cannot use synthetic oil! THEN, he goes on the mention the flooding issue and stated that the vehicle needs to warm up to operating temp each time or else I will encounter flooding issues. A simple switch-a-roo of vehicles in my driveway can cause the RX8 to flood unless I leave it running long enough to reach normal operating temp? Last but not least, I experienced a slight CHILL down my spine when he said that it's best to rev the rpm's up to 3K and then shut the engine off to prevent flooding???

    Now.. Personally, I will buy a new car because it should be maintenance free, not high-maintenance? Maybe this guy has incorrect information (please feel free to correct if necessary) but he seemed to be very very knowledgeable of this vehicle and covered every minute detail before we went out on a test drive.

    My sales rep instantly knew that my interest level in the vehicle had went wayyy down and asked me to sleep on it. Of course, just for a contrast of vehicles, the Nissan dealer was next door to the Mazda store. Since all of the dealerships are part of the motor mall, my sales rep took me over to the Nissan dealer and introduced me to another salesman who allowed me to test drive the 350Z coupe. My opinion? One word...

    WOW!! Although I still find the RX8 interesting, the Nissan 350Z was down-right exciting! As I went out on my test drive with the sales rep, I simply laughed joyfully at how much POWER this thing had? Seriously, I am not trying to start a debate here, but after 2 minutes in the 350Z, I was instantly sold. I swear that the 350Z seemed to have a direct tie to my brain! The auto tranny performed seemlessly and seemed to always find the correct gear given my input. Also, this model came equipped with the trip computer displaying actual tire PSI numbers (all 4), DTE, Average MPG and Speed, etc. The ride seemed very comparable to the RX8 and the cockpit had a very nice feel. Oh.. let's not forget the throaty exhaust.. felt like there was a V-8 under the hood. This car was majorly fast guys/gals.. kinda scary!

    Ok.. I've said enough now, but I just wanted to thank you all for responding to my original post. While I do like the Rx8, It would be nice for Mazda to consider making another powerplant available in addition to the rotary engine. Heck.. If the RX8had the Nissan's engine, tranny and gizmos (including auto climate control), I would have driven one home tonite? Anyone from Mazda listening? Any rumored changes for 2005?

    With that being said, I think that now I am down to two choices. 350Z or G35 coupe (sister vehicles)

    Thanks!

    IExplore2000
  • bigmike5bigmike5 Posts: 960
    On the down side, according to the trade rags, the tires wear improperly and quickly on the outside edge and have to be reversed to even the irregular wear, they can only be rotated side to side so the tires have to be reversed on the rim to even the wear. Others didn't like the cosmetics of the cabin but I can't comment on that--plastic is plastic, etc. I found the seat bolsters on the G35 seat to be the hardest I ever sat on. Couldn't have gone 50 miles on those.
  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,324
    It'd be a different vehicle. The heavier engine would shift the weight distribution to the nose.
  • latexlatex Posts: 4
    Hello all,

    This is the first time I’ve found a forum about car buying and other interesting stuff. I find it very useful in my endeavor to shop for a sports car. I’ve been longing for the RX-8 since I first saw the initial commercial. As I am getting more and more intrigued and seriously about buying it, I’ve heard and read so many problems the car may possess.

    I would like to obtain some feedback regarding the problems I’ve heard and maybe getting a more that I have not.

    1) My salesman reinforced me that the flooding problem has and will continue to exist. He said that because of the rotary engine, you would always need to start it a certain way and let it warm up for more than 7 seconds to prevent flooding.
    2) He believes that Mazda will likely issue a recall regarding the oil pan.
    3) High oil consumption
    4) Not good on snow

    Since I live in the Midwest, snow is somewhat prevalent, I’m not certain if RX-8 should be my primary choice, but since I love the look of it and the extra doors for my young ones, I wonder if the above problems can be overlooked.

    Although I have not yet test driven an Acura TL, I have heard great things about the car. So before I set my heart on the RX-8, I will have to give TL a try.

    I would appreciate any comments you may have to persuade or dissuade my decision to buy a RX-8.

    Thanks. Have a happy New Year.

    Latex
  • the_big_hthe_big_h Posts: 1,583
    this car would have never existed....
  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,324
    I had this issue on an '89 323LX. The gasket between the light assembly and the car body wasn't seated properly, allowing water to get into the housing through the openings for the bulb harenesses. Unfortunately, by the time I discovered the root cause, the gasket was already damaged beyond repair. I cut a replacement out of some neoprene rubber stock, using the original as a guide. The water leak went away, as did the condensation.

    Yours may be new enough that you can still salvage the original gasket. However, it should still be covered under warranty, so have your dealer put a new one in correctly.

    Another possibility, though less likely, is that the taillight components weren't properly sealed to each other during assembly, allowing water to get in from the outside between the hard plastic parts.

    I'm assuming the taillight isn't cracked, of course.
  • doolsdools Posts: 11
    Apologies if you all have already covered this, but does anyone know if there are plans for a convertible any time soon? I'm also considering the 350Z roadster and the S2000, and would love to see an RX-8 ragtop--that would definitely seal the deal.
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