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Mazda RX-8

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  • cheezeboycheezeboy Posts: 218
    dcsouth - ya gotta get it!....the one I test drove without was way less fun to drive than the one I bought, which has the SP......that's my 2 cents..!
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,130
    cheeze...you and ffitz have to be the sourthernmost and northernmost RX8 owners I've ever encountered.

    blacktalon....that prelude was doing the "sports car" thing well when it was tough to find a sports car worth its salt in the U.S. To a certain degree, I think Mazda made the RX8 more "forgiving" to snare a wider cross section of people (which is also the reason it has a useable back seat and 4 doors). That probably accounts for the "less immediacy" feel you noticed. I haven't driven a prelude in years, but the times I had driven one, I was duly impressed. It's too bad Honda let that one slip by the way side. IMHO, the Prelude was also the best looking car Honda ever made.

    Make no mistake, if Mazda does brings a turbo RX can to these shores, I'd be the first to make a "bee-line" to my dealer to drive one.

    dcsouth...like cheeze said, there are so many upgrades with the Sport Package, it's almost a "must have". That said, if you want the rotary, and you want it "on the cheap", the base model is a heck of a deal. You can pick one up for about $26K....that's price puts it smack in the middle of some pretty mundane cars.
  • dcsouthdcsouth Posts: 3
    OK, thanks guys, I'll go for the sport package. Anyone know of any particularly fun roads to drive on near the Gaithersburg,MD area or its environs?
  • taotltaotl Posts: 3
    Howdy all. Thought I would tap into this awesome collection of '8' knowledge and pose a question. Does the hump on the front passenger floor irritate anyone else besides me? While I do not anticipate being a passenger in this ride, if it were to happen I would find the hump to be particularily unsmurfy.

    Thanks.
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,130
    Never had any issues with the middle console...either as a driver or passenger. MAtter of fact, I find it a perfect place to rest my arm. I do wish the storage area and cupholders were moved a little forward.
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    You rest your arm on the hump in the front passenger floor? What'r'you, an organgutan?

    8^)
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,130
    Sorry, I though you meant the console in the middle.

    The few times I've actually been a passenger in my RX8, I've never even noticed any kind of "floor hump". It's there, but really not a bother at all to me.
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    S'ok. Usually, I'm the one who's confused....

    What is the floor hump for anyway? Is that where Mazda stashed the catalytic converter?
  • the_big_hthe_big_h Posts: 1,583
    on the catalytic converter...
  • ffitzffitz Posts: 13
    Hello all! Grapicguy and Cheezeboy, thanks for the welcome.

    Just got back in from fishing for "Kings", as in king salmon.There strong runs this year! We have also completed our solstice, which is the longest day of the year. Last night we started to lose daylight (we lost 17 seconds).

    As for my Rx8, I have been joyriding for the past day. Not many miles yet, but they will start to mount. I just noticed last night that instrument panel dimmer switch is turned down, the instruments are lit in red. When turned to full brightness, they are a luminescent white. It was after midnight - 12:30am - still light outside. Just playing with them.

    I plan on adding fender strakes, exhaust finishers, aluminum fuel door, front and rear rotary accents. Mostly cosmetic and keeping pretty simple.

    Had it out on the Seward highway, which was named one of the most scenic in the U.S. On one side you may see Dall sheep in the mountains which begin on the side of the road, or possibly whales in the water on the opposite side. A beautiful route in that it is both scenic and smooth. Lots of twisties too, as it winds between the mountains and water.

    Question: As this is my first rotary engine, are there any break-in precautions which are different and aren't listed that you may have learned through experienced (I am aware of the warm-up procedures)? How long should I realistically wait before really opening it up?

    Thanks :^}
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,130
    I can't even remotely imagine what it's like to drive the RX8 in such a beautiful surrounding as you describe.

    I'm green with envy......;-)

    Regarding break-in...keep revs down below about 5-6K for the first 500 miles. Next 500 miles, take it to 7K every once in a while. Once you hit 1K miles, you'll be ready to take it to 9K redline as much as you want (the car loves doing that).

    I'm using about 1/2-3/4 qt of oil every 5K miles (which is when I change it), but keep an eye on the oil level every other fill-up, or so. It's meant to use a bit as a little is injected into the chambers by design.

    While it's not imperative, if you have anything but the latest "M" revision for your ECU, you may want to have your dealer do the "M" reflash, if you don't already have it.

    I found that the "M" reflash smoothed out the mid-range. It also feels faster with the reflash. I'm getting better MPG to boot.

    Keep us posted on your travels with the 8. I'd love to hear about them.
  • cheezeboycheezeboy Posts: 218
    ffitz - wow...you got me beat on scenery...all I got are sandy beaches, a bunch of bikini clad girls, and horrible traffic!!.....if you heed the manual and gguy's advice, you will have no problems...maybe it's my southern location, but I am using about 3/4 to a full quart between 5K services....could be something different because of the Auto tranny....hmmm... (Pathstar might know why) ......be nice to the car, and she will reward you handsomely!..I 2nd gguy - keep us posted!

    gguy - I've tried 3 times to check what version the ECU is...no luck...can you describe the procedure one more time?.....
  • pathstar1pathstar1 Posts: 1,015
    depends on several things, including average RPM level and throttle opening (if you hold it open a lot while waiting for it to accellerate it will use more oil). What I'm saying is the oil injection is based on throttle opening and RPM (mainly). Also, oil dillution by fuel will mask how much you use. Oil dillution is a "feature" of rotary engines, and is one really good reason to change the oil frequently. Especially if you flood it.

    The "M" flash helps a lot here, but we found out the other day you can still flood it even when you have the "M" flash. A flood indication is when it's hard to start. We got it going after only about 5-10 sec. of cranking, instead of the 2-3 min. it took when it flooded before the "M" flash. I get to start Maurice's car a lot testing units, and it usually starts after 1-2 sec. of cranking, warm or cold. Never touch the accellerator when starting (unless it's flooded - then follow the procedure in the owners manual).
  • Can someone give me an update? Has anyone driven through winter on the original tires? I'm in southern New England if that helps...is it possible? Or are snow tires an absolute necessity?

    Thanks
  • pathstar1pathstar1 Posts: 1,015
    I wouldn't try it! The tires are "rather unsuited" for snow. You risk damaging the car as you slide off the road. Maurice just bought four nice 17" aluminum wheels ($100 or so each) and Nokian WR all weather tires. That's kind of a necessity here in Edmonton Alberta, where we get 6 months of winter and 6 months of "poor sledding".

    He went smaller to give some room for ice buildup in the wheel wells.
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,130
    cheeze...I'm still jealous! Being in AK or FL, you guys still have better "sights" to drive your RX8s. All I have are some twisties in and around the dirty OH River. That said, the hills around here are beautiful twice a year....now, and in the Fall when the trees turn into a bright "pallete" of colors. To my knowledge, the only way to tell which reflash you have it to take it to the dealer and have them "plug in" you car the their computer.

    That said, we haven't had any real hot days around here, yet. I don't think it's hit 90. Plus, this past week, it has stayed in the upper 70s-low 80s...quite pleasant. Of course, I haven't seen any bikinis (with women wearing them) around here either.

    While I leave my 8 in the garage when there is snow on the ground, I saw some last winter with "blizzaks" on them. They didn't seem to be having any issues negotiating the snow. I would say that "snow tires" are a must if you drive in snowy winter climates.

    Pathstar...I've never had a "flooding" situation....even in short drives in the winter. Every once in a while, it would take a couple of extra seconds of cranking to start, but never an all out flooding siutation.

    autoblogger...let us know when you do your updates......
  • ffitzffitz Posts: 13
    Graphicguy and Pathstar 1: Thanks for the recommendation and information on "M" re-flash respectively. I called my service department today inquiring about the "M" re-flash and if it had been performed on my vehicle. They told me nothing had been done to my vehicle except PDI. They also stated there is a campaign for the "M" re-flash to help alleviate starting problems (flooding) and driveability. I scheduled an appointment next week to have the "M" re-flash done. Thanks for the enlightenment!
  • madmaxmadmax Posts: 2
    Anyone have pics of the blue rx8 with wide, white racing stripes like the old shelby cobra had? Bet it would look awesome.

    Please e-mail me if you have a pic or could photoshop one.
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,130
    I've got the winning blue but, thank goodness, no wide racing stripes are on it.....
  • mysteriomysterio Posts: 5
    LOL! SNAP!
  • cheezeboycheezeboy Posts: 218
    so, I went to the Miami Mazda Rev It Up last Sunday.....and I came away feeling....ah....just "ok" about it......nothing terribly exciting. Now, granted, I didn't partake in the 'Competition' part, because I didn't have 6 hours to wait in lines, but that did look interesting. My main concern is this; if you are not an existing Mazda owner, then it could be exciting driving the 3 or the 6 or the 8 around a parking lot or even compete against others. But if you ARE an exiting Mazda owner, there is not much to do. I thought there would be a "Owners Tent" or something where current owners could get info or at the least accessories for their cars....I went over to a small tent with the Mazda Speed stuff. They had a RX8 and Miata...the 8 had 'Inner City Gold' rims, some carbon fiber stick-ons, and the most god awful looking rear wing and arms I've seen yet....I asked a guy there for a catalog of parts and he said, "sorry, we don't have any"..?? nice........anyway, I gather it's mostly an event for future owners? Don't get me wrong, the competition part looked cool, but just would've taken too long.....oh, the go karts were totally lame.....a 'track' about the size of a basketball court - in a parking lot the size of about 10 football fields!!....

    anyway, that's my 4 cents.... :-) had more fun driving my car home then I had at the event...but that could just be my driving!...
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,130
    I happen to agree with you. I've been to a couple of them. While I did get into a couple of the competitions, they were little more than cones set up in a parking lot to do a poor imitation of an autox event.

    Mostly, it was for the "neon" set who have older Mazda products (mostly Protege series).

    Kind of funny because I think the average age of the RX8 owners who were present was probably 40+ and there was only 4 of us there at the last one I attended. None of us had any interest in "spinning wheels" or carbon fiber trim pieces that were being "hawked".

    The highlight was being able to drive a MazdaSpeed Miata that one of the local dealerships had on hand. I was kind of suprised that they let us drive it because we weren't gentle with it. It already had 4K miles on it, but I don't know if it was provided by Mazda corporate or the dealership. Fun drive! I wouldn't want it for an everyday drive, but still a nice job by Mazda in bringing it to market.
  • zoomzoom626zoomzoom626 Posts: 124
    Anyone knows what the top speed is for MT RX-8?
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,130
    The fastest I've personally been able to verify is 140 MPH, but it was still climbing. Don't even ask me how I know that.
  • the_big_hthe_big_h Posts: 1,583
    mentioned 150-155...

    btw, Edmunds now have a Long Term RX-8. You 8 owners should read and send in responses regarding some of the issues that they brought up.
  • lngtonge18lngtonge18 Posts: 2,228
    All RX8 owners need to flood Edmunds with letters on that long term test introduction. They stated they were alarmed with the high oil consumption even though RX8 owners told them its normal. They never actually addressed the fact that the rotary will burn oil by design! A shameful writeup that shows how little they know about the rotary. Plus, the car is in its break in period where even a good number of gas engines burn oil.
  • carlikercarliker Posts: 285
    Easy now, they made a mention in the article that fellow RX-8 owners said the oil consumption was normal for the rotary engine. They, however, felt it was a bit odd...just like many others who aren't familar with the vehicle. I've never had a vehicle in its break-in period requiring more oil...so I'm not surprised that they felt this way.

    They like the vehicle a lot more than the 350Z while using it as a daily driver (as most people would). The main problem with gas mileage they had coincided with what people have said here on the RX-8 forum. That 12 MPG low must have been one of their editors high revving it the whole trip. Still, 16.9 MPG in average mixed driving needs to really improve. That's actually the only thing (along with the off-the-line acceleration) that their long-term 350Z had above the RX-8. It seems Edmunds got a pretty good price (less than $100 over invoice) on the RX-8, in LA no less.
  • 6speed86speed8 Posts: 1
    No, it is clear from the Edmunds RX-8 'introduction' that they did NOT read the owners manual or they never would have mentioned the oil consumption as they did. I usually have to add 1 qt evey 2k miles, and I find this acceptable as the rotary IS designed to use oil.

    The RX-8 fuel mileage will get a bit better, but not much, However I have never gotten below 15 mpg, and I get a good steady 19 mpg doing mostly city type driving.

    NOTE: the Rotary gulps fuel when idling.
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,130
    I thought the review was a good one.

    After all, they said their driver's comments were "overwhelmingly positive". In their sports car "shoot-out", they felt the same way over its competition. The trade rags have all said, what us owners have always felt, the RX8 is a better car than the 350Z/G35c.

    Clearly, Edmunds didn't read the owners manual that states that some oil consumption is normal. Nor, did they spend any time with the dealership's service dept that would have pointed out that fact.

    As far as MPG, they need to get the car broken in. Then they have to make sure that it has the "M" reflash (most current) of the ECU, then they can make a comment about MPG being better or worse than the competition. My MPG went up after break-in. It went up even more (by about 20%) after the "M" reflash.

    Regarding torque, the RX8 gets to its powerband so quickly that I take the "torque issue" with a grain of salt. This is one fast car, no matter how you slice it. Is it the fastest? NO! But, neither is the Z/C. A plebian Mustang GT will out accelerate any of those cars....so will a WRX with its tonka toy interior. If you really want to go out on a limb, any of the MOPAR hemis will, too. If 0-60 is your main criteria, look elsewhere other than the RX8, 350Z/G35c because you're going to be embarassed by some other very fast cars that you can't live with for very long.

    Understand that it's entire driving experience with the RX8 which is what sold us on the car to begin with. It's a very fast car with an engine that mimics an Indy car that is among the best handling cars on the road. All the while being very well built, with high quality materials throughout and being comfortable, to boot. That's a tough combination to reproduce.

    I'm consistently getting 19 MPG in mixed driving. All highway is yielding dead-on the 24 MPG that the gov't said it should. Either of those numbers will be affected by "stop and go" traffic or regularly getting into the "nether regions" of the tach....which by the way, the RX8 urges you to do every time you drive it because it's just so much damn fun to do.

    I wouldn't expect any bonafied sports car to do much better.

    Again, this is a unique sports car that you can drive everyday and get a taste of the "super car" experience.

    Like Edmunds points out, they didn't like the experience the Z/G made them go through.

    I'd bet after the long term test, they'll like the RX8 even more.
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