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Mazda RX-8

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,148
    Sphinx - as far as that category goes, the new Z doesn't belong. Its far from practical. No back seat and, thanx to the tower brace, a very restrictive cargo space.

    gee35 - "I'm just answering the previous question why the RX did not win COTY and the Prius did."
    this recent discussion is based on North American Car of the Year. The Prius has not won, yet. The winner won't be announced till next month.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • gee35coupegee35coupe Posts: 3,475
    http://motortrend.com/oftheyear/car/112_04_coy_win/

    Motor Trend COTY get a lot of press.

    A few quotes relavant to the discussion.
    "EPA fuel-economy rating: 60 mpg in the city, 51 mpg on the highway"
    " the Prius qualifies for the California Air Resources Board's stringent Super-Ultra-Low-Emissions Vehicle "

    From a car that seats 5 comfortably and still runs 0-60 in under 10 sec. Come on...Where's the debate?

    By the way 04 RX8's $500 over invoice at Stone Mountain Mazda in Atlanta.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,148
    i know about motor trend. but i originally mentioned North American Car of the Year and that's when this discussion started up. Yeah, the Prius won motortrend, but not NACOTY. Just wanted to make sure you are on the same page as us.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,099
    Don't forget, Motor Trend was also the publication that picked past COTY luminaries such as the Renault Alliance, Chrysler "K" cars, Chevy Vega...among other automotive standouts.

    There are good car deals everywhere right now. If you're in the market for any car....a BMW, an Infiniti, a Mazda, a Honda, a Toyota....any of them...now's the time to make a deal until the 2nd week of January.

    I'm not saying the Prius won't be a good car....only that it's a hybrid that gets admittedly great MPG...as does the Honda Hybrid. So does a VW with the TDI powerplant. If MPG is your only criteria, then a Prius should be at the top of your list.

    You can buy a Camry around my neck of the woods, fairly loaded, for about $17K. The Prius is selling for $20K since it's new to the market. The Camry would have better performance, be more comfortable, and still get 30 MPG. At a $1.50/gal for gas, over 100,000 miles...you'd pay about an extra $2,000 in gas for the Camry vs the Prius. You're still coming up about $1,000 short by buying the Prius over the Camry based on the fuel economy differences over that 100,000 miles.

    I read an article that a cow's flatulence causes more air polution than any car made over the past 3 years. Car emissions are no longer the issue they were even 5-10 years ago.

    Again, not meaning to slight the Prius. It's a fine car. But if you do a little bit of a comparison, MPG and emissions aren't the "bugaboo" they were several years ago.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,404
    $17K is below invoice for a stripped base Camry, says Edmunds anyway.

    I think the appeal of Prius is for its futuristic promise. The appeal of the RX8 is for what you get right here right now. Sometimes the future is sexier, so I can see that influencing the voting.

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  • gee35coupegee35coupe Posts: 3,475
    But they put back seats in the 2nd generation and those models were/are the least desirable. They put back seats in the NA 300ZX and those are the least desirable now. They didn't bother to put back seats in the last generation RX or the Twin Turbo Z because the market doesn't want em. Heck, not even the 320hp Supra turbo could convince people that back seats were the way to go. A four door RX8 is a sedan with a door turned the wrong way. There are very affordable FWD sedans out there that could show the RX taillights on most of the real roads out there since corners aren't usually sharp enough for handling capability make a significant difference. I mean honestly...6.7 sec to 60 is not much faster than a couple of the cars in the sedan shoot out. And the Accord in particular had 240 hp and 30 mpg on the highway. An auto RX8 better bow down.

    Why would we discredit the MTCOTY with cars from over a decade ago. I mean the Focus was NACOTY and I'll bet it'll go down in history as one of the most recalled cars in years.

    There ARE deals to be had. But not on cars that were supposed to be a revolutionary as this one. The RX hasn't been on the market long enough to be heavily discounted. Resale for the first owners is gonna suck. I've been seeing low prices for the RX for a couple months now. I said this when it was intruduced. There is not as much of a market for this car in this country as Mazda thinks.

    The Honda Hybrid is a great car too. But not as powerful or large as the Prius. The Beetle also doesn't get as good mileage as the Prius AND is a diesel so emmission will suck in this country since we have sorry diesel.

    Check the option list and I'm sure the Camry you can get for $17 will be a little short on equipment. Not to mention a little higher on emmissions. Even at 30 mpg the Camry would still be HALF of the 60 mpg city on the Prius. Again there's no debate.

    If car emmission wasn't the issue, there would still be an RX7 Turbo or even an RX8 Turbo. But there aren't because of.....emmissions and fuel economy. It's an issue somewhere.

    Can't comment much about the cows though.
  • Hello Everyone,

    I've been thumbing through the post on this forum and for the most part, I have been entertaining the idea of purchasing an RX8 and had a few questions for you current Rx8 owners.

    First, I don't want to start a "holy war" in terms of which vehicle(s) are better, but just for the record, here are the vehicles that I am considering. Also, I am looking to purchase my next vehicle in addition to keeping my 2003 GMC Envoy XL V-8.. it's just too big for everyday driving!

    #1. Honda Accord V-6 Coupe with Navigation -- Practicality, lots of bang for the buck and "sort of" fills my desire for a practical 2 door sports car. Will have to retrofit HID's though?

    #2. Nissan 350Z Roadster -- Very nice vehicle, but fully loaded will run me over $40K and I understand that most are paying full sticker? Ick..

    #3. Cadillac CTS Luxury Sport Model -- I know.. what the heck? Well.. I can get GM discount on this vehicle and it does have a lot of bang for the buck, distinctive styling and a new V-6 engine that has plenty of "power."

    #4. Infiniti G35 Coupe -- Very nice vehicle, excellent handling, elegant look but can also get kinda pricy?

    My questions for you current RX8 owners:

    A. IF I am to purchase an RX8, I will get the automatic version fully loaded. Since the auto decreases the horsepower, I am a little worried that I would be dissapointed in the long run with the overall power of the vehicle? Anyone care to comment on the Auto's 0-60 mph times and/or experiences with the automatic? Personally, my V-8 Envoy is a beast, but it will surely keep your spine securely fastened to the seat during acceleration. I kinda consider it to be my extra large sports car! If the RX8 will feel slower than my Envoy, I really do think that I would be dissapointed.

    B. In terms of gadgetry.. I will more than likely purchase the Navigation system. One of my biggest concerns is that I don't think that the RX8 comes with a trip computer that tells you MPG, Instantaneous, Distance to Empty, etc? Can someone please tell me if the Navi system contains a trip computer?

    C. I've read different comments posted here about the reliability of the engine (i.e. stalling, etc). What are the top issues related to the engine that I should be aware of?

    D. Last but not least, for those current RX8 owners, would you consider buying again if you had a chance to do it all over again?

    Thanks in advance for your help..

    IExplore2000
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,099
    Issues will exist with any car.

    Depends on what you want.

    Honda's reputation speaks for itself. Nice cars, just more "middle of the road" than what I prefer. They had issues early with their automatic trannys, but haven't heard anything of late.

    350Z...punishing ride...some fit and finish shortcomings...subpar interior. All that said, along with the RX8, they are one of the current benchmarks amont mid-level sports cars.

    G35C....some brake problems, but Infiniti seems to be aware of them. A 350Z with some of the rough edges smoothed out. Probably the closest competitor to the RX8.

    CTS....I have no clue. I've never driven one. Styling is subjective, but I don't like the boxy look they have gone to.

    Automatic version of the RX8 blunts some of it's performance. Mine is the 6-speed, but have driven the automatic at local user's groups. Feels more like your previously mentioned Accord, except when you get on the upper reaches of the tach, at which time it becomes very quick. The best handling car of the group you're looking at. Very easy to drive very fast...regardless of the curves (or straight line) road.

    The NAV does not have any MPG, DTE, etc readings. That said, I've owned cars with those types of readouts in the past. I can say, at best, they are inaccurate. The NAV system itself, is one of the best out there. Most NAVs use NAVTECH, which seems to be the preference for all manufacturers.

    There have been a few people on another board that have mentioned flooding. The vast majority of us have not experienced that issue. In fairness, flooding any car becomes an issue when the wheather changes. My neighbor's '03 Accord was flat bedded to the dealer a couple of weeks ago becuase it flooded.

    For what it's worth, the RX8 was chosen as a "Top 10 Best" by C&D. A few months ago, C&D also did a sports car "shootout" comparing the RX8 to the Cobra and G35C. The RX8 won that one, too. "TopGear" in the UK tested the RX8. Clarkson called it the "best car driven" this year....including the 350Z. It also matched the track numbers of the BMW M3 and the 350Z Track. Of course, you can read what Edmunds has to say about the RX8 here in the "Sports Car Shootout" article. There are other reviews from Australia, and other parts of the world if you want to do a search.
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,099
    shifty...new '03 Camry LEs around the OH area are selling for right around $18K give or take a couple hundred (right at around invoice and it being the end of the year). Plus, there's a $750 rebate through Toyota. That gets right near the $17K figure I was using in my previous comparison. I agree with you about the Prius being more of a "look what we can do?" kind of car. I see it more appealing to the Western States than the rest of the country, however. Hybrids, diesels, etc, just don't get much attention here in the midwest.

    Short supply reminds me of the pre-orders for the RX8 when they were first shown last year at the International Auto Show in Detroit. Prius production will eventually catch up.

    iexplore....one question you asked that I failed to answer...would I but my RX8 again? In short, an unqualified YES!

    Just as a side note, I had test driven a bunch of cars before buying the RX8 in August. Aside from the RX8, I spent a lot of time with both the 350Z and the G35C. Matter of fact, the local Infiniti dealer let me use a G35 over a weekend (SMs demo car). I had test driven the 350Z on several occasions over about a 2 month period.

    You really should test drive an RX8 to see what everyone else raves about.
  • iexplore.....as one of the few vocal Auto RX8 owners here, I can say that YES, if I had to do it all over again, I would buy my RX8! Best darn car I've ever owned. That being said, I have to say it is slower than the 6speed, but for me that was not a deal breaker - how she drives was the important feature. And she drives quite nicely! Please do what we have done and take a good, full day to test drive the RX8 back to back with some of your other choices. All of your choices are great cars, so I don't think you can go wrong with any of them, but for me, the RX8 was perfect in all ways - looks, handling, features, agility, comfort, visibility, and price. And seeing how I spend 80% of my driving day in bumper-to-bumper or on interior city roads, the automatic makes my life easier! Now, go test drive one!!
  • blh7068blh7068 Posts: 376
    "You really should test drive an RX8 to see what everyone else raves about."

    I just visited the local mazda dealership...It looked like they had at least 7-9 rx-8s in stock, mostly 6 speeds in mainly red or silver.

    Im afraid to actually drive one because it would likely put me in a bad frame of mind(I'll really want one and actually would try to do a deal on one, when really my financial ducks are not in order at this time). So for now I'll just enjoy occasional visits to the dealership on sundays(when they are closed!).

    Earlier this fall On one of my visits the local dealer had a yellow 6 speed...I thought that was pretty sharp! Have yet to see a green one though.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,398
    There's a great write up on the RX8 in this week's autoweek!

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • Thanks to everyone that responded to my posting!

    Yesterday, I took the advice of those who responded and drove an RX-8 today in both 6-speed and Automatic forms.

    For the most part, I was fairly impressed with the 6-speed, but the automatic was somewhat questionable? How can I best explain it? Driving the auto RX8 reminded me of driving my aunts 2003 Volkswagon Passat 1.8T? OK.. what I mean by this is that the 1.8T from a stand still is a slow beast... then about 2 or 3 seconds later, the power comes on full speed ahead! It's one of those, "don't jump out in front of rush hour traffic vehicles." That's how I can best describe my experience with the RX8 automatic. It wasn't bad to drive, but I definitely can see getting my butt kicks at a stop light against someone driving something with raw V-6 power? Also, the ride was awesome! Very easy to get in/out and the fit and finish was excellent.

    Secondly, we were out on the freeway and it seems as if the tranny's thinking was a little too slow for my taste? It needed to react a second quicker for merging, etc. It just didn't seem too intuitive if you know what I mean? However, I did love the paddle shifters!

    Third, I really wish that the RX8 had an auto climate control (set and forget) as opposed to the manual system? That kinda bugged me for a vehicle in this price range. Additionally, I wished that it had a full function trip computer to tell you DTE, MPG, etc.. I really find that stuff useful.

    FOURTH and probably the most important... I had convinced myself that I could live without all of the creature comforts but when my salesman offered the following information without my input, I became instantly cold. He mentioned that since this is a rotary engine, it will basically burn more oil (purposely) than other vehicles and that after every third fillup, I will need to check/add oil as necessary??? Also, he mentioned that it does not and cannot use synthetic oil! THEN, he goes on the mention the flooding issue and stated that the vehicle needs to warm up to operating temp each time or else I will encounter flooding issues. A simple switch-a-roo of vehicles in my driveway can cause the RX8 to flood unless I leave it running long enough to reach normal operating temp? Last but not least, I experienced a slight CHILL down my spine when he said that it's best to rev the rpm's up to 3K and then shut the engine off to prevent flooding???

    Now.. Personally, I will buy a new car because it should be maintenance free, not high-maintenance? Maybe this guy has incorrect information (please feel free to correct if necessary) but he seemed to be very very knowledgeable of this vehicle and covered every minute detail before we went out on a test drive.

    My sales rep instantly knew that my interest level in the vehicle had went wayyy down and asked me to sleep on it. Of course, just for a contrast of vehicles, the Nissan dealer was next door to the Mazda store. Since all of the dealerships are part of the motor mall, my sales rep took me over to the Nissan dealer and introduced me to another salesman who allowed me to test drive the 350Z coupe. My opinion? One word...

    WOW!! Although I still find the RX8 interesting, the Nissan 350Z was down-right exciting! As I went out on my test drive with the sales rep, I simply laughed joyfully at how much POWER this thing had? Seriously, I am not trying to start a debate here, but after 2 minutes in the 350Z, I was instantly sold. I swear that the 350Z seemed to have a direct tie to my brain! The auto tranny performed seemlessly and seemed to always find the correct gear given my input. Also, this model came equipped with the trip computer displaying actual tire PSI numbers (all 4), DTE, Average MPG and Speed, etc. The ride seemed very comparable to the RX8 and the cockpit had a very nice feel. Oh.. let's not forget the throaty exhaust.. felt like there was a V-8 under the hood. This car was majorly fast guys/gals.. kinda scary!

    Ok.. I've said enough now, but I just wanted to thank you all for responding to my original post. While I do like the Rx8, It would be nice for Mazda to consider making another powerplant available in addition to the rotary engine. Heck.. If the RX8had the Nissan's engine, tranny and gizmos (including auto climate control), I would have driven one home tonite? Anyone from Mazda listening? Any rumored changes for 2005?

    With that being said, I think that now I am down to two choices. 350Z or G35 coupe (sister vehicles)

    Thanks!

    IExplore2000
  • bigmike5bigmike5 Posts: 960
    On the down side, according to the trade rags, the tires wear improperly and quickly on the outside edge and have to be reversed to even the irregular wear, they can only be rotated side to side so the tires have to be reversed on the rim to even the wear. Others didn't like the cosmetics of the cabin but I can't comment on that--plastic is plastic, etc. I found the seat bolsters on the G35 seat to be the hardest I ever sat on. Couldn't have gone 50 miles on those.
  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,322
    It'd be a different vehicle. The heavier engine would shift the weight distribution to the nose.
  • latexlatex Posts: 4
    Hello all,

    This is the first time I’ve found a forum about car buying and other interesting stuff. I find it very useful in my endeavor to shop for a sports car. I’ve been longing for the RX-8 since I first saw the initial commercial. As I am getting more and more intrigued and seriously about buying it, I’ve heard and read so many problems the car may possess.

    I would like to obtain some feedback regarding the problems I’ve heard and maybe getting a more that I have not.

    1) My salesman reinforced me that the flooding problem has and will continue to exist. He said that because of the rotary engine, you would always need to start it a certain way and let it warm up for more than 7 seconds to prevent flooding.
    2) He believes that Mazda will likely issue a recall regarding the oil pan.
    3) High oil consumption
    4) Not good on snow

    Since I live in the Midwest, snow is somewhat prevalent, I’m not certain if RX-8 should be my primary choice, but since I love the look of it and the extra doors for my young ones, I wonder if the above problems can be overlooked.

    Although I have not yet test driven an Acura TL, I have heard great things about the car. So before I set my heart on the RX-8, I will have to give TL a try.

    I would appreciate any comments you may have to persuade or dissuade my decision to buy a RX-8.

    Thanks. Have a happy New Year.

    Latex
  • the_big_hthe_big_h Posts: 1,583
    this car would have never existed....
  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,322
    I had this issue on an '89 323LX. The gasket between the light assembly and the car body wasn't seated properly, allowing water to get into the housing through the openings for the bulb harenesses. Unfortunately, by the time I discovered the root cause, the gasket was already damaged beyond repair. I cut a replacement out of some neoprene rubber stock, using the original as a guide. The water leak went away, as did the condensation.

    Yours may be new enough that you can still salvage the original gasket. However, it should still be covered under warranty, so have your dealer put a new one in correctly.

    Another possibility, though less likely, is that the taillight components weren't properly sealed to each other during assembly, allowing water to get in from the outside between the hard plastic parts.

    I'm assuming the taillight isn't cracked, of course.
  • doolsdools Posts: 11
    Apologies if you all have already covered this, but does anyone know if there are plans for a convertible any time soon? I'm also considering the 350Z roadster and the S2000, and would love to see an RX-8 ragtop--that would definitely seal the deal.
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