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Mazda RX-8

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  • I'm thinking to upgade my 626 with one of these two cars...Any guys here who had RX-7 and are driving RX-8 now?

    How do these two compare?

     

    Loking just at the numbers rx-8 looks more like a compromise between sport and practicality where rx-7 is all sport..
  • the_big_hthe_big_h Posts: 1,583
    for 2 years, and have a RX-8 for just over a month now. I can tell you this, the RX-8 is a MUCH better day-to-day driver than the RX-7 was, which means compared to a no-compromise sports car like the 7 was (especially if you're talking about the 3rd gen 7's), it WILL feel soft and less sporty and feel 'compromised'.

     

    so, you have to ask yourself, how much sport do you want in a car? what is the main purpose of the car? for pure sport, or for lots of sport plus a good amount of practicality?

     

    after a month with the 8 I can say it is the PERFECT fit for me in what I want for a car, plenty of practicality with a whole bunch of sport thrown in :-D
  • I can't believe this. My RX-8 is 15 months old and has 10500 miles on it. I wanted to drive it tonight but it wouldn't start! The engine cranked but it wouldn't catch.

     

    Has anyone had the same problem? I had the same problem three years ago with my Miata. Turned out that the fuel pump was the problem. I wonder if it's the same thing
  • Yes I'm talking about 3rd generation of the car..People call it FD..I think it is the engine code...

     

    Anybody?
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,548
    Sounds like your 8 is flooded. Hold the accelerator pedal to the floor and crank the engine until it catches. Do this for 10 seconds at a time until it starts. That should clear our any excess fuel in the chamber. See owner's manual for more specific procedures on how to start a "flooded" engine.
  • the_big_hthe_big_h Posts: 1,583
    do a google search on 'rx-8 forum', and ask there.

     

    *hope you read this before mods remove this :p *
  • the_big_hthe_big_h Posts: 1,583
    it'll be like comparing a RX-8 to a Mazda6, ok maybe a bit exaggerated, but you get my point, it's a BIG difference between the two.

     

    do you have a FD? do you want that kind of pure sports performance? Aside from the Lotus Elise, there really isn't a pure sports car that's out today that's comparable to a FD (including the current Z car)
  • No I don't have FD...Right now I'm driving 2000 626 V6 5sp...It is fun car but...I drove FD on several occasion and loved its ferocious acceleration and handling..I also drove RX-8 once..I was bit disappointed with its power...

     

    Either one I get will be my daily driver and I just need to get some pros/cons of one vs the other in every day life.

    I was hoping that here I would find someone previous FD owners that can give me that kind of insight.

     

    Thanks,

    zoomzoom626
  • pathstar1pathstar1 Posts: 1,015
    Not a very practical vehicle for this.

     

    1. Any FD you get will be a 10 yr old car, even if "rebuilt". Remember, it's not just the engine that wears out. Suspension, transmission, diff., even the body will show its' age (cracks can develop around mount points for the power train and suspension).

     

    2. If you live in an area that experiences winter, forget it. No ground clearance for snow.

     

    3. Fairly high maintenance due to the high power extraced from the engine.

     

    4. You will worry constantly about speed bumps, entrances to parking lots, etc. etc. and you will not want to leave it parked unattended.

     

    Mine is hibernating in the garage now. I only drive it in "not winter". I take my SUV to movies, restaurants, malls, etc. not the RX-7. I use the 7 for mountain trips, car shows, etc.

     

    The RX-8 seems dissapointing power wise, but it only lacks in torque. It handles at least as well as the 7. You reach similar speeds, but you don't realise you are going that fast as it sneaks up on you.

     

    Plus' include:

     

    1. Ability to carry more than two people. In comfort (I find the rear quite nice, and I'm 6 foot 220 lbs - not a small person).

     

    2. Can be driven "normally", that is over speed bumps, etc. In comparison my 7 requires constant attention to road surface irregularities.

     

    3. Can be parked without much worry - get good insurance and no worries - it can be replaced with a new vehicle with no problem.

     

    4. Oh my, it has a trunk! What a concept!

     

    5. It's really fun to drive. In the city you get to select up to 4 gears at any given speed. How much accelleration do you want - pick the gear and it's there.

     

    6. The RX-8 is a "modern" car. LEDs illuminate the dash even without a key in the ignition. The computer (PCM) controls almost everything. The transmission is much better than the RX-7 one.

     

    7. Safety is much better than the RX-7. Just ask someone who has made a mistake in the RX-8 or had a moron meet them on the road.

     

    8. With proper tires, the car can be safely driven in snow. We use 17" Nokian WR mounted on AR aluminum spoked wheels - they look good and perform very well at moderate cost.

     

    Minus':

     

    1. Poor mileage, even compared to my RX-7, though in the city about equal.

     

    2. It can be flooded, same as the RX-7. Easy to avoid - read elsewhere to find out how (or ask and I'll give some pointers).

     

    3. The 18" tires/wheels are a little large. The car actually feels better on 17s. The 18s are also a little more expensive. For winter driving you will need different tires. Stock tires are summer performance tires.

     

    4. Like the RX-7, the 8 attracts attention. Sometimes the wrong kind ("yes officer, I guess I was going a little fast").
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,548
    Excellent "+" "-" review.

     

    Interesting to note you like the 17" tires over the 18". I've yet to try such a swap. That said, I also don't drive my RX8 in the snow. I do, however, drive it in the winter, no matter what the temps and have had no problems with "startability" or driveability.

     

    I've had my RX8 for nearly 1.5 years, now. Can't think of a better all around sports car for daily driving. As you note, people can actually ride in the back in relative comfort. I can fit two weeks of groceries in the trunk. MPG, while not sterling, is about what I'd expect with any high performance sports car.

     

    I relayed an experience I had this past summer with my RX8. Was stopped for "exceeding the posted speed limit" by a goodly amount. The officer was more interested in talking about the RX8 than issuing me a citation. We ended up our chat with, "well Mr. Graphicguy, nice car. Just watch your speed from now on" and let me go....not even with a warning citation.
  • cheezeboycheezeboy Posts: 218
    here I am reading this and hopeing it ends with: "and then the female officer winked at me and let me go with a warning."........ :-)

     

    I've had my RX8 for 1.25 years now and can say that she is the best damn car I've owned. The thing that kills me is that in my complex is a beautiful Red Gen3 RX7,that sits about 100 yards from my 8....and it never moves!!....for 6 months it has just sat there!!!...what is the owner thinking!?!...If I hadn't spent all my $ on Xmas gifts, I would be over there offering something for it.....just plain wrong in my book....

     

    and gguy - since the M flash, I've been getting about 250+ miles out of a tank on mostly highway driving....what are you getting on a full tank?...
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  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,548
    I always fill-up at the 1/4 tank mark, so I don't know what I'd get on a full tank. I haven't checked MPG in a while, but the last all highway run I checked the MPG I got 25 MPG with cruise set at 75 MPH. Last time I checked all city driving, I got 18 MPG. I get 19 MPG, give or take, in my usual city/highway mix.

     

    That said, I don't do much in the way of rush hour or stop and go driving, either.
  • Pathstar,

     

    Thanks for a very usefull information. Despite all drawbacks I think I will go with RX-7..The feel when twin turbos kick in is just something that puts the grin on my face every time...
  • pathstar1pathstar1 Posts: 1,015
    Actually, to nitpick, the twin turbos don't come on. It starts on the front turbo and then at 4500 RPM (as I recall) the second turbo comes on as well. Beware of this event. It can break the rear tires loose. This is exciting, especially if you are in the middle of a corner when it happens (80 MPH loop). Happened to a list member a few years back.

     

    You can modify it to "non-sequential" operation of course, but this makes it harder to drive.

     

    For the first year I owned the car I was "afraid" of the accellerator pedal. Things happened fast when it was pressed.

     

    My current opinion is the 3rd gen RX-7 is very nice, but really too much car for any public road I'm aware of. "WHEN" you make a mistake (and you will), you find yourself -in- very deep!
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,990
    I love the 3rd gen RX-7. That was probably the only real Japanese coupe, along with the NSX, you could call a "true 100% sports car". A minimalist car, still shockingly fast for its age, and demanding great maintenance and great driving skill. Also beautiful, prettiest Japanese car ever made IMO. Not a car for everyone though.

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  • Speaking about the last generation rx7--here is a couple items from the past: Both were found in road and track of the early 90's.One article addressed the 5 best sports cars in the universe.They considered a ferrari,a lamborghini, a porsche,the rx7, and another that I forgot.Interesting that the rx7 would be considered with these kind of cars.Even more interesting was the rating that it got. One editor thought it might be the top one or two best sports car of the time! The other article was a comparison of reworked turbo cars of the time.Included were the turbo nissan 300Z,turbo supra,mitsubishi turbo,rx7 and possibly a few others.They had these cars reworked for more performance--engine,suspension,and the like. They tried to get the most performance for the dollar.They spent anywhere from 8000[rx7] to 30000.For all cars except one, the additions made these cars much better performance wise.However, the rx7 could not be improved upon--after the shop's work it actually performed about the same as the stock rx7. I think these two articles taken together show the kind of car the rx7 was.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,990
    And of course let us not forget that the Mazda rotary engine won Le Mans, with Mazda being the only Japanese automaker to do so.

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  • pegpeg Posts: 8
    i am buying either the 350z or the rx8 as a gift. which one do you think is a better ride and car. if you dont know does anyone out there that can answer that question
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,548
    Peg...I'm going to offer a biased opinion since I own an RX8. I did extensive drives between the 350Z (and it's cousin, the Infiniti G35 Coupe) and the RX8. Obviouly, I chose the RX8.

     

    Reasons for doing so had the RX8 with..

     

    --better handling

    --better shifter

    --better interior and overall build quality

    --better ride

    --more room (particularly when compared to the hatch area in the 350Z)

    --rear doors

    --better materials used throughout

    --while acceleration will be slightly better in the 350Z (insignificant amount compared to the RX8), it is on par with the Infiniti G35 coupe)

    --wonderful sound of the RX8 engine

     

    I could go on and on, but I think you get the picture. Either car will please someone as a gift (very nice gift, by the way). I just feel the RX8 is an all around better sports car (and better car, period).
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,990
    I haven't driven the Z car very much (ten minutes or so), so I can't say much of anything except that personally it's not terribly handsome from the rear end IMO. I would chose the RX-8 strictly on looks if all else was equal. Also the RX-8 strikes me as a bit more practical.

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  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,548
    You owe it to yourself to drive the 350Z. Not a bad offering, but as you say, I think one would tire of it quickly. Even current Corvettes ride better. The first thing that struck me on the very first of about 6 test drives was the feeling of sitting in a bathtub with the Z. The G35 Coupe has a better seating position, however.

     

    I can already seeing the Z styling as getting a bit "wearing". Styling is highly subjective, however.

     

    It's a quick car, no doubt. But, so is the RX8.

     

    Plus, as a daily driver, the RX8 does offer quite a bit more satisfaction. The shifter alone in the RX8 tilted my decision (9K redline and the glorious sound the rotary makes had a lot to do with it, too). Shifter in the Z felt bulky and the car in general felt sluggish, even though it has high handling capabilities. I just felt I had to work too hard to get the performance out of it.

     

    The RX8, on the other hand, felt very "connected" to me, the driver.
  • rx8locrx8loc Posts: 1
    I totally agree with you about using the 8 as a daily commuter. But never test drove the G35 or Z before I bought the 8.

     

    I had the car for over a year with 22k miles on it. I'm loving it everyday about it's handling, precise shifting, sound(engine), improving MPG figure (18-22 mix), and other's ppl admiration for the car.
  • cheezeboycheezeboy Posts: 218
    Peg - gotta agree with gguy on the 'bathtub' feeling in the Z. Again, it is a subjective feeling... You say you are buying as a 'gift'. Something like this, the choice between sports cars, really needs to be decided by the driver. If the 'gift' isn't for you, then you might want to have the person who will be driving test drive them as well.....Unless it's supposed to be a surprise....then in my book, any gift, which is a brand new car, is good!!! :-)

     

    Good luck!
  • pegpeg Posts: 8
    i am looking at the different models of the rx8. what do you think of the base one versus the sporty model and the touring model. i heard there was a difference in the suspension between the base model and the sporty one. help. thanks
  • the_big_hthe_big_h Posts: 1,583
    all the North American market 6-speed RX-8 with the standard high-power engine come with 'sport tuned' suspension, which includes the 18" wheels.

     

    the only 'soft' suspension for the 8 is from the base model automatic 'low power' RX-8s.

     

    as for which trim you want to get, I have the base trim 6-speed RX-8 and I couldn't be happier (my wallet is happy too!)
  • pegpeg Posts: 8
    i can get a base 04 for 22,000 with 2500 miles

    or a new 04 sport for 26,00 drive out.

    the difference they told me were the xenon and fog lights and traction feature. and you are saying the rx 8, 6 speed base and sport have the same suspension. i am buying this for my 25 year old son and i want to make sure i understand everything. i dont care about the lights but what about the special traction feature. thanks peggy
  • pegpeg Posts: 8
    (the only 'soft' suspension for the 8 is from the base model automatic 'low power' RX-8s.)

    are you saying soft is not good. dont understand suspension. and the lower power is just automatic?
  • Peg,

     

    At those prices, I believe you're better off with the "Sport" package. The traction control (TCS) and Dynamic Stability Control (DSC) are especially desirable options in adverse driving conditions. If I were buying the car for my son, I would opt for the Sport model. Finally, it's always nice to have control of the break-in period (first 2000 miles) to assure the longevity of the engine.
  • pegpeg Posts: 8
    i was told from a dealer that he would sell me drive out 26,000 for sport rx8 model. but on the kelly blue book it is 26,735.is that including tax with blue book? should i try to get him lower. i do not think he will.
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