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  • astralastral Posts: 41
    You're making a great choice!

    Be sure that if you're financing via Mazda North American Credit, that you do get that $1000 rebate. All rebates can be applied on top of S-Plan.

    I'm not a fan of silver (everyone has silver), but the car still looks good :)

    Don't give up on red. Search for more than 100 miles away. You can call (800) 639-1000 or e-mail friendatmazda@mazdausa.com for a free service, where the reps will help you locate the car you want in your area, outside your area and anywhere in the country. Your dealer can order the car to be shipped (probably a $100 charge?) from another dealership. If you find a red one that's 200 miles away, why not pay $100 to have the classic sportscar color?

    If you can wait, I would advise waiting a month or two until 2006s appear on the lots. Chances are that Mazda is going to up the incentives on the 2005s to get them cleared out. Last year, albeit part due to way too many 2004s still on the lots, Mazda was offering rebates to the tune of $2500-3500. That's $2500 under your S-Plan price. I'm hoping for the same or similar this fall. Of course, by waiting, you reduce the chances of getting a red 2005.

    Also check out http://www.zoomzoomlive.com -- you may be able to really test drive (as in, pound on a track) the RX-8 before you buy (for free!). That's what I'm doing.
  • Very cool, thanks for all the info! I'll definitely keep looking for the red via your suggestion... tricky, tricky.

    I see maybe one RX8 (regardless of color) a week on the road around here, but maybe I'm in a tough location for these things? (DC area, NoVa).

    I HAVE to act before end of October due to screwy Jeep financing. Can't wait for the '06s. Boo. Also, I wanna sell mine before it reaches the death number of 80K miles.

    Good to know the discounts apply on top of S-plan, there was some debate of that issue here yesterday and I never got an answer. :D
  • astralastral Posts: 41
    Some dealers may refuse to apply the rebate on top of S-plan, but that's because they're being greedy and want to pocket it for themselves (assuming the car is financed via MNAC).

    The point is essentially moot, as I can often negotiate the price at invoice or very close to it, and apply the rebate. So S-plan isn't much different: it's just a shortcut to the invoice price.
  • lhesslhess Posts: 379
    fun place to hang out. Less watchdogs and hand-slapping over there. I'm really surprised you didn't get your post pulled here. I got one pulled just for mentioning that I had registered my car on the mazdaowner.com site - they said I was promoting a competing forum - it's not even a forum. blah blah blah.

    PS my dealer in Charleston, WV did have 3 04 reds left (new, untitled), rather nicely equipped. I'll go back thru some of my posts to get the info on them....
  • lhesslhess Posts: 379
    over in rx8 - prices paid, buying exp...check out post number 776 by ME. the lesterraines.com website has no info other than hours and phone numbers, but since I'm not allowed to post that stuff, you can get it there. I've haven't talked to them in a while, but, my guess is that they still have at least one left. they have been really great to buy from (traded an eclipse and they are mitsu too) and i've had great service from them.

    I wanted a yellow one and I finally got it. Go for the color you really want - it'll make you happier in the long run!!!!
  • trispectrispec Posts: 305
    OK, regional biases, religeous convictions and politics aside, I'm trying to investigate why I want to drive an RX-8 vs. why someone else with better tuned driving skills might like driving an RX-8, in ANY particular urban grid lock or country road setting.

    Absolute loves :blush: :

    1) Love the smooth rev of the rotor engine RX-8. I owned a 1987 RX-7 and I've badly missed it.
    2) Love the balanced sports car feel of the RX-8 with it's not to stiff suspension.
    3) Love the look of the RX-8 because of the classic front end, and fender flares.
    4) Love the 4 adult size seats, 4 door layout, that's not flat down on the ground.
    5) Like the fact that the RX-8 AT base package has a softer suspension, and 16" rims which are much more compatible Boston's messed up trolley track embedded streets.

    Don't care abouts :P :

    1) Don't care about gas mileage.
    2) Don't care about competitive driving on or off the track. Please pass me is my motto.
    3) Don't believe driving in the snow and slush is enabled by the Sports Package's Lim. slip dif., TC and DSC. Can't always guarantee this obviously, but from what I've researched, and from what folks here and other forums have said, a) Good winter tires and rims generally trump Lim. slip dif., TC and DSC b) TC does not help if you are stuck c) Anti-Lock brakes are still standard and effective d) Nothing helps on ice slick'n roads so always drive to the conditions.
    4) Strongly dislike the Xenonites of the other so why should I drive these blinding and expensive to replace lights.

    Unresolvable issues until 2006 :confuse: :

    1) How does the 4 speed auto versus 6 speed auto compare if I'm just commuting on urban streets and cruising in coutry settings? I don't think I'll use the paddle or sport shifter options anyway!
    2) Is there going to be a dark blue color like the X-Men version?
    3) Will the current leather seats, which I think are cheapish, be upgraded and made a stand only option?
    4) Will automatic air become an option?

    Thanks for any help or comments.
  • pathstar1pathstar1 Posts: 1,015
    If you're not into "sport driving", and just want the looks and handling of the car, then there is no reason to wait for the 6 speed auto. You would likely get a better deal on a 4 speed once the 6 speed comes out, though you may not be able to find a car with the colour or other options you want.

    Winning blue is available next year, as well as a kind of robins egg blue.

    I think the Shinka has nicer leather than the "normal" leather seats. Otherwise, if you want good quality leather, take your car to a specialist upholsterer. In other words, buy the less expensive car without leather, and then spend half of the extra Mazda wants for leather on getting good quality leather from someone else. All the leather I have seen in cars is "leather seating areas" only. That is, the seat backs, front, and side bolsters are not leather, they are "genuine imitation leather". Only the centre panels are leather.

    I haven't heard of any changes to the A/C. I have "automatic air" in my Pathfinder and I don't like it. I have less control of the thing re fan speed, whether air is on or not, etc. It works just fine, the problem is I'm not operating it, and I don't like that.
  • trispectrispec Posts: 305
    Thanks very much for your comments. I'd love to be able to hang onto my money until some RX-8 AT 4 speed and 6 speed are on the dealer lots at the same time. But since White and Black seem to be the only acceptable colors for my wife, the base no pkg. model will probably be few and far between sooner that the 2006 models physical arrival.

    Oh well. wish me luck.
  • astralastral Posts: 41
    not much changes for 2006

    unresolvable issues:

    1) 6-speed auto would be zippier, for two reasons: a) will probably be in a better gear to put you into more appropriate revs for the desired power output, b) higher power engine on the new 6-speed auto. for you, it seems that power doesn't matter, so really not much of a good reason to pick the 6-speed auto over the current 4-speed

    2) there will be a darker blue called phantom blue. also galaxy gray, copper red. titanium gray and nordic green are dropped for 2006.

    3) non-shinka RX8s keep the same type of leather. no packaging changes (so not a standalone option). 2006 shinka gets new leather/alcantra seating, which may be fancier/better?

    4) no.

    so basically, unless the phantom blue color appeals to you, get a 2005 AT.

    as far as winter driving goes, winter tires are key, but DSC really does keep your tail in check. of course, if you don't push it, and drive conseratively, then you'll be just fine on winter tires. limited slip diff is key for getting off the line or up the hill, but it doesn't help for braking and turning. i have an open diff car with winter tires, and i have great highway stability, cornering and braking, but it's easier to get stuck because i get "one wheel drive" at slow speeds.

    once you drive with xenons, you won't switch back. plus, proper factory xenons (instead of aftermarket lookalike hacks) like on the bmws and audis and other higher-end cars are not really more blinding and have an auto-leveling feature (just like rx8's). but hey, if you never drive with xenons, then you're still a happy man :)

    so 2005 AT when 2006's come out (so you can get more rebates), a great set of winter tires (off tirerack) and you're set
  • trispectrispec Posts: 305
    Many thanks. The information on the Phantom Blue is new to me at least. I tried to look up what Phantom Blue might look like via Google. The samples appeared to be a dark blue with a bit of purple. Looks like my acceptable color choices are now White, Black, and Silver for 2005 and add Phantom Blue for 2006.

    Question about the seats just popped up. Do the power seats crank down lower than the manual seats? In other words, do the power seats compensate for the loss of head room taken by the moon roof. My dealer said the moon roof kills 2 inches of head room, which is very important to my 6' 2" frame.
  • astralastral Posts: 41
    I don't know about power seats cranking down lower than manual seats. I *doubt* it, but do check at the dealership. 6'2" MAY be ok in the car with the moonroof, as it partially depends on your seating position. You'd best visit a dealer and sit in it and crank it in a car with the moonroof and without, as the moonroof definitely reduces the headroom.
  • astralastral Posts: 41
    Here's a Mazda5 in Phantom Blue. I think that's the closest that we can see, without seeing the new car out on the lots.
  • trispectrispec Posts: 305
    If that Mazda 5 Phantom Blue is the example of the RX-8 Phantom Blue then I definitely don't need to wait for this in 2006.

    As for the manual vs power seats cranking lower, I guess a visit to the dealership is definitely in order. Funny thing about dealers in the Northeastern. They absolutely, positively, WILL NOT talk openly via e-mail about any details.

    Thanks for the information once again.
  • lhesslhess Posts: 379
    on the phantom blue. I'm not a fan of green, but the nordic had to be better than that?!! Of course, to each their own. I have the yellow and that gives some people nightmares. My second choice would have been the sunlight silver.
  • trispectrispec Posts: 305
    I just asked my dealer to confirm the Phantom Blue too. It's definitely called Phantom Blue, but I'd call it Teal Blue.

    Drove the White RX-8 AT base model and yep you can definitely feel the softer suspension on the rural country roads. I could aim right for those typical New England frost heaves and road shoulder dips and the non-sports suspension handled them like a big BMW. Road noise was much less as well. When I drove the RX-8 AT sports-pkg. the sharp edge of every road imperfection could be felt and the road noise was that of metal wheels.

    I've seen several folks talking about the poor air conditioning. Today was sunny and humid so I got to experience this air conditioning issue directly. While the car was parked and running, I got in the back seat with the air conditioning on max cool, max fan and recirculate. It got warm back there. Only when the car was moving, did cooling take place.

    I wonder if the 2006 fixes the AC?
  • trispectrispec Posts: 305
    Some of you have talked about making sure to check that the RX-8 is manufactured in the second half of 2005 in order to guarantee that the recalled items have already been taken care of at the factory. Is there a code in the serial number or is the manufacture date posted somewhere on the car, like on the door? I forgot to look today at the dealership.

    What is the date to look for anyway? Thanks.
  • trispectrispec Posts: 305
    The A/C cooling actually seemed to cut off while we idled in the parking lot after the test drive. When I revved the engine an immediate blast of cool air came through, only to go humid and warm once the engine was back to idle. So it would seem they need to lower the RPM cut off in idle too. I did notice during the test drive from the line that the A/C seemed to let go at higher RPM and did not begin to cool again until we were cruising. I guess that's the high RPM cut off.

    Wow, that PDF was awesome! The VIN numbers nail the issue completely. NO DEALER within a 150 miles of Boston has an RX-8 with a VIN higher than JM1 FE17**50 158051 or built after July 7, 2005.

    The White RX-8 AT no pkg. I am considering, was built before Dec 20th 2004. No wonder it's been advertised in the Boston Globe at S-Plan.

    How long does it take an RX-8 to reach the US market from the factory in Japan? Should I wait for end of year shipments? Maybe I actually get a more color selection (only one base model WHITE left) AND the close out deals. Would they raise the price on the next shipment of 2005s to balance a 2006 price rise? There should be a law.... RIIIIIGHT! ;)
  • trispectrispec Posts: 305
    Others discussing the RX-8 MT 6sp vs the AT 4sp have pointed out that the AT 4sp is quicker off the line. So in an off the line comparison of the AT 4sp vs AT 6sp would the 4sp be initially quicker? Then at highway speeds the AT 6sp would be the better at passing than the AT 4sp?
  • astralastral Posts: 41
    Call (800) 639-1000 or e-mail friendatmazda@mazdausa.com to find RX-8s in a higher-than-150 mile radius. You may find an RX-8 that's 200 or 300 miles away, and your local dealer can buy that RX-8 from the other dealership and ship it here. You may find more choice.

    It seems that first 2006s will be built in October, and the word is that they will be on the lots around November. Expect higher rebates on 2005's when 2006s are on the lots. The dealers get less money the longer their cars stay on the lot, and so it's always an incentive to clear out.

    They would not raise prices on the next shipment of 2005s to balance a 2006 price rise, as that would impede clearing the 2005 cars out of the lot.

    As far as having recall repairs done at the factory vs at the dealership, I honestly would not be worried and would not make that a major factor in choosing a car. If anything, cars that haven't been sold yet (that need the recall work) don't have any of the thermal damage that may occur w/o the recall work. So there's no fuel tank to replace, because the car hasn't been driven enough (and driven hard enough) to have it slightly warp from heat, etc.

    White is not the most popular color, and the base no-pkg AT RX-8 is not the most popular package. So I can see how they haven't sold the White RX-8 base AT. What are the miles on that car? Maybe they used it as a demo.

    A/C cycling on and off is the issue that has been addressed many times with various flashes. I don't think there's a low RPM cutoff, but it may not be spinning the A/C compressor fast enough at idle? Not really sure.
  • Hey gang... thanks for all the advice and info in the past few months. THIS IS THE WEEK!!! I have two dealers looking out to 300 miles to find just the right one for me, then sealing the deal this week. S-plan prices are great, and I've decided against the used one I drove. For 3K more I can get exactly what I want new! Woohoo.

    Considering I learned MT this summer, I was pleased with my own performance in the test drive. ;)

    Dealers are amused with me looking at these cars, say I'm the only early 20's blonde gal they've sold one to. Score. Are the rest of you RX8 drivers older men it seems? :blush:
  • trispectrispec Posts: 305
    Excellent information. The White RX-8 AT that I'm looking at has 250 miles on it. All of the sticker information has been cleaned off and I did find a french fry in the back seat, so the dealer dudes may have been taking that one out for errands and demos.

    From the PDF file described above, the recall work sticker should be something I can find hopefully. Once that's verified, should I ask for any additional money off for the apparent dealer demo status of the car.

    On the color selection, I've been asking two different dealers about getting Black and Silver RX-AT no pkg., but they will not commit to even look for one until I've signed a deal and put money down. I have seen the Black color, but I've yet to see a Silver except for passing by on the road. Years ago I ordered something from a Ford dealer once before and effectively lost my money when the car came in months later in a color that looked much different on the car than in the paint samples. So my rule is now, unless I can see the actual car on the dealer lot, I don't do any deals. Shouldn't a dealer take the risks for stuff like this? Ugh!

    The Pearl White is nice I think, but dirt shows easy. Black and Silver feel the best for my taste, but my wife likes Black and White. Holding out for a 2005 RX-AT Silver or Black seems hopeless. I just want to focus on what seems feasible in the next few weeks. If the White one goes away before next month then I'll focus on Black and Silver more significantly.
  • lhesslhess Posts: 379
    36 year old female. bought my leftover 04 yellow MT in March 2005. Congrats on learning to drive manual (folks don't know what they're missing when they can't drive a stick) and on the decision for the car!! Have fun and be safe!!
  • trispectrispec Posts: 305
    Actually, I do know what I'm missing. I drove a stick on a VW Sirocco, an RX-7, an Mustang 5.0, a Saturn SL2 and a Saturn SW2. I just can't do it anymore in the freak'n Northeastern commuter battle. Two hour long stop-n-go for 10 miles multiple times a week over 15 years has ground me down.

    When I got my first new automatic transmission in over a decade it changed my life literally. Even the paddles in the RX-8 AT seem like to much work to me.

    Glad you are enjoying the work. See ya from the slow lane.
  • lhesslhess Posts: 379
    I can remember getting into stop and go traffic around an accident down south once. This went on for nearly 2 hours and I would have traded my stick for an auto at a loss at that point. But, get them out on the open road, a curvy road, they're a load of fun and you know it!! I would not have a stick in a stop and go commuter car. I don't have to deal with that ( I can walk to work), so I like my manual. The 8 was just made for a manual tranny!!
  • trispectrispec Posts: 305
    I did not go to 128 Mazda nor IRA. I guess I could go over there to see the Silver yes. But I can't get the RX-8 AT no pkg. nor the sport pkg. in Silver or Black anywhere in the Northeastern. My two dealers kept saying I had to do the deal stuff first, then the car would be brought in from some unknown location. I just want the car on the lot before the deal goes down. Isn't that an OK principle to stand on.
  • astralastral Posts: 41
    Yeah, just stop by 128 to see the Silver, if you have time. I mean, it shouldn't hurt. Also, it gives you another dealer that you can talk to. They may be willing to bring the car in that the other two dealers aren't willing to bring in.

    Mazdausa.com is showing 2005 RX-8 AT at Quirk Mazda (JM1FE17N350157032 vin) with appearance package & spoiler. You've probably seen that, though, perhaps one too many options.

    As far as the car being brought in from the unknown location, perhaps you can offer to put down a fully refundable deposit, so that they can bring the car in. I mean, if you have a car that you know you want, with the color that you like, then the only reason that you would reject it is if there is something wrong, such as too many miles on it. Maybe if you tell the dealer that if he calls up the other dealership, finds out the miles on the other car (and if the miles are good), then you can put down the deposit, and will buy the car if there's nothing wrong with it.

    *shrugs* It's a difficult situation, I don't envy you. Best of luck!
  • astralastral Posts: 41
    lhess, I think you were responding to trispec there :)

    I really want a stick. Traffic be darned :) [I drive to NYC about once a month too, so that will be extra tough: crazy drivers, must keep up heightened alertness, and sit in random traffic]

    The RX-8 is a fine machine regardless of the tranny, though. 50/50 weight distribution, beautiful looks, quick and crisp steering response, direct-feeling brakes... trispec is going to be turning heads, or at least the surrounding heads in the slow lane :)
  • trispectrispec Posts: 305
    Yep, saw the Silver RX-8 AT on line at 128 Mazda some time back, but the appearance pkg. just seems like a grand of pure fluff that would get broken off by curbs and road pot holes. Oh well.

    As for deposits, I can't help thinking it's a slippery slope to give them money up front. How does one leave a refundable deposit in a fully legally enforceable manner when possession is nine tenths of the law? The dealer will refund the deposit ONLY if you buy from them (catch 22ism). Taking my lawyor to the dealership might work, but then my rule against useless fluff looks hypocritical at best.
  • astralastral Posts: 41
    BTW, some of my old messages got deleted as I was linking to other forums (didn't realize that was bad). Here's that link to the recall PDF (not a forum link), as that got lost in the shuffle.

    I understand your concern about the deposits, and those are good questions you're asking.

    Ok, then there's not much left to suggest, other than you should try Ira Mada and 128 Mazda, maybe the salespeople there will behave a little differently.
  • lhesslhess Posts: 379
    got my wires crossed with all these names in our titles.

    And, trispec, sorry to have misnamed you as well!!
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