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Saab 9-3 Sedan

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  • oldsman01oldsman01 Posts: 1,203
    I'd add the Cadillac CTS to that list as well. It is one very nice driving car. A bit more expensive than the 9-3 when you start adding options, but still less expensice than a 330 or well equipped A4.

    Today's paper had an ad for the 9-3 and it said starting at $26,5xx or $359 a month lease. The lease details were 48 months and $1999 down. That is about what I'd be willing to put down(would prefer to keep it near $1500) and I would just do a 36 month lease so maybe what I'm willing to pay a month in a lease isn't that far off. If the dealer will do GMS pricing on the car then the lease should be very much in my range. A base Linear with the Touring package is really all I want. I can take or leave heated seats(my Intrigue has them and while nice when very cold, have survived before without them) and the more I think about it, I think the manual would be fun in a car like that. So Saab, equip me a 9-3 like that and do GMS pricing and you may have a customer.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    Sorry Oldsman, while I am impressed with the performance and engineering of the CTS, I think it is ugly...inside and out. I just couldn't go there.

    The BMW is my 1st choice. If it was $30,000 and had a better reputation for reliability, it would be no contest.

    Which is why I think the G35 Coupe or IS300 are my best bet. RWD, stylish, reliable, affordable, and performance on par with the BMW.

    The front drivers are next on my list. I see them more as GT cars...a little soft around the edges. They're nice, but not quite what I want.

    I am intrigued by the Saab because it offers European style and cachet, at the price of the Japanese cars. I have also heard that Saab's are terrific drivers cars, but in a different way than BMW. I suspect the 9-3 isn't quite the experience I'm looking for, but will reserve judgement until I've driven it.

    The good news is, the Honda runs great so there's no hurry...
  • oldsman01oldsman01 Posts: 1,203
    The CTS is bold looking, but if you find it ugly in and out, then I can't imagine one finding much beauty in the G35 or IS300 either. I'm a bit intrigued(pardon the pun) at the 9-3 as well as I think it is a great looking sedan and seems to offer alot for the price. To me, it's a great stop-gap until the CTS gets more power and I can more easily afford it's 34K(as I would have it equipped) price. I'm hoping to get the time to stop off and test drive a 9-3 this week. I'm also hoping the dealer will get more in as other than the short lives blue one, they have had only one for the past two weeks.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    No knocks on the CTS...it's a terrific car. But, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

    Let us know what you think of the 9-3. I probably won't get to see it for a couple of weeks yet.
  • Isn't there a Saab dealer in central Seattle?
  • logic1logic1 Posts: 2,433
    There is Carter VW/Saab at 5202 Leary Ave. NW. That is a somewhat north of the central business area though.

    Is one of your relatives about to pull the plug on a new 9-3? I test drove one over the weekend and really liked it. I never thought I would like a 4 more than the one in my Miata. Saab really has the ecotec cooking!
  • spent some interesting time at the dealer. most of the 9-3's until 12/02 will have launch, heated seats, touring package +/- sport (17" wheels). invoice at 2 sites for base, tour, heated seats, launch, 625 destination: 28623. msrp: 30610 (non metallic paint). dealer showed me an invoice which said 29615. Less saab loyalty (500) and a smaller discount (300). The lowest I could get with all included, taxes, new tags, all charges, for launch, heated seats, touring: 31777, (32215 metallic paint). IF you can swing the monthly payments, no money down, first payment in 3 months, 880/month x 36 months. no interest. own the car after 3 years. all maintenance done. leasing for 36/12k/2k down/450/month residual value 16,300. If purchased as above, and the car is sold after 3 years 34K miles over 13-14K, you come out ahead. (lease is around 4.5% APR)car should be worth alot more than that! GM's 0 percent 36 month may be the way to go, if you can swing the payments. . seems to have alot more value than leasing without a lease incentive from GM or Saab. . .
  • oldsman01oldsman01 Posts: 1,203
    If sales are soft and/or the economy stays slow, I wonder if GM will run the 0% for 60 months financing. I'm still tempted to do a lease because I don't have a large amount to put down and I don't want to be upside down if in two to three years I'm ready for something else. Still looking for a base Linear with Touring package and heated seats.
  • I am looking for a convertible with a nice ride and decent power. I am 6'2" and 200 lbs and most seats feel too small to me in these convertibles. This is what I feel a luxury auto would have, is nice plush seats.

    I am currently considering the Volvo C70 HT, Saab 9-3, Chrysler Sebring Limited and Toyota Solara. I cannot afford new, so I am looking at probly a one year old car. The BMW 3 series is not a possibility as it is a rear wheel drive car (which doesn't mix with snow and ice well).

    I am subscribed to Edmunds town hall rooms in all 4 cars, but as I have read in this chat, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and choosing between these cars is very very difficult.

    I have test drove a C70 and was not impressed with the ride (seemed to feel every bump in the road). Test drove the 9-3 today and rode better than the C70 but with the wheels lawsuit and auto. tranny issues, am unsure about the value of this car. For the money, it seems like a used Sebring Limited is a great deal, but I haven't driven it yet.

    Any thoughts? Thanks in advance!
  • For your purposes, it seems the Sebring is the best buy. It's affordable to buy and to keep up. It's probably going to be fairly reliable, but it will not have the prestige of the other two. It will probably ride well but handle poorly, so if you're just looking for a nice cruiser, it's the best choice.
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,456
    I would sure give the Camry Solara a close look. It probably has the best ride of the group you are looking at, is definately the most reliable, gets the best gas mileage, and only cost $25k new (much less than a 1 year old SAAB or Volvo).

    That is with the 4-cyl, but it is a jewel of an engine. Very quiet, smooth and fast. Drive one, and I think you will see no need for the 6 cyl, plus the money you save will mean that you don't need to buy a one year old vehicle.
  • logic1logic1 Posts: 2,433
    I don't understand your point on price. The base 2003 9-3 starts at 25.9. How is 25k going to be much less than a 1 year old 9-3?
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,456
    He wants a convertable. You can't even get a 2003 9-3 convertable yet, and the 2002 is in the mid 30's.
  • logic1logic1 Posts: 2,433
    Ah, my bad. I thought we were talking Sedans.

    Using the price of the 9-3 Linear as a guide, the new 9-3 convertible will probably start in the 30k range. So yes, there would be a 5k break on the Solara Convertible.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    Solara has no style to it at all though. It has to be the blandest car on the road.
  • logic1logic1 Posts: 2,433
    Pretty true of all Toyotas, the Matrix a duly noted exception.
  • The Saga continues...

    Today, a buddy of mine has a BMW 330 coupe that he let me test drive. I like the way the key has the alarm and door control buttons, nice touch. I took it out on the highway and before I knew it, I looked at the speedo and I was doing 85! No way! But, it was rough ride, like a sports car.

    Then I went a test drove a Solara Convertible loaded. It was a nicer ride, smoother, however, even with the top up there was a noticable shake in the ride. Also, I could hear the wind hitting the top by the windshield (hard to describe). It has a great stereo system and the leather is nice. Then I put the top down and felt like my head was sticking above the windshield. It just feels like a 'small' car.

    I guess I am too picky, or there is something wrong with me. I can't believe I am the only one in the world that wants a nice convertible with plush leather seats and a nice ride. Although, I haven't test driven the Sebring yet. That will be on Friday.

    So until then...
  • I got the GM suppliers discount, which is essentially dealer's invoice. Dealer is in NJ. Car is coming up from GA, supposed to be the only red 9-3 in the USA so far.
  • BlokeBloke Posts: 10
    My dealer here in Michigan had a couple of Red 2003 9-3's, one was definetly a demo, the other was in the show room.
  • love to hear the details of your lease. haven't seen a red one yet. assuming metallic, launch, heated seats (? tour or sporting package) + 625 destination. . .your invoice, down payments, length of lease and miles/year, monthly payments and residual?? I wasn't happy with the best lease deal I could find and was tempted by the 0 down 0 apr 36 month purchase.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    2 red ones sitting at the local lot up here. I highly doubt they only sent one over to the US, sounds like a salesman story.
  • Yeah, story about RED probably is salesman's B.S.
    Here are the details:
    Linear 24443
    Launch 2258
    Heated 431
    Touring 866
    Dest 625
    Prep 130 (required in GM supplier discount)
    Total: 28753 Residual is 53%.
    Down payment was $2000, plus tax, bank fee, first month payment. Security deposit waived. Monthly payment $387.28, 15,000 mi/yr. 2 years of On-Star.
    Hope this gives you basis of comparison.
  • oldsman01oldsman01 Posts: 1,203
    I like those numbers!! I'd even settle for one without the launch package. Any trouble getting them to do GMS pricing? Keep us posted on how you like the car.
  • You did great. Is this a 3 year, 15,000 mile lease? (I guess the red is not metallic.) Those #'s are really unbelieveable. . and I'm wondering if I'm missing something. I've been in the chair trying to negotiate, and couldn't get close to those #'s. What is your total money down counting everything? Did you have 500$ Saab loyalty discount? Is it OK to share the dealer's name/website? Somehow you are close to 75$/month cheaper and I looked at 12000 miles/year! I was planning on purchasing, as the 0% down for 3 months, 0% APR for 36 months is sweet. My price, same package as moose add metallic paint, all taxes/tags included was 32215. I wonder if you could have purchased at 28753 + taxes?
  • Here is the Price list for Belgium (in French, best I could do for now)

    http://www.saab.be/main/BE/pdf/93-sportsedan_french.pdf


    Look at the HTVA (before taxes)

    (Basically the Base Linear is 2 grand cheaper and Arc 210 hp is 3 grand cheaper)

    These prices are in Euro (of course)


    If I could actually get my hands on one (I think the dealer around the corner has 4), I figure I could ship it to the US for $1000 USD. Anybody know an Auto Importer that might be interested in a few 9-3s?

  • oldsman01oldsman01 Posts: 1,203
    Tell them to ship some to Saab of Knoxville. They currently only have one 9-3 on the lot. The most I've seen at one time is 2 and the second one doesn't seem to stay there long.
  • RGC220, remember, the key here is that I got the GM Supplier discount. I work for a company that buys a fleet of vehicles from GM every year. As an employee of that company, I'm entitled to the "supplier" discount, even though my company is technically not a supplier. The lease was a 36 month lease, total down after all the fees, etc. was $3102.05. No Saab loyalty discount. This would be my first Saab (I drive an Audi).The prices would be good for purchase too, plus $1000 cash back! Check out this site for more info on the GM supplier Discount: GMSUPPLIERDISCOUNT.COM. The prices are published and are exactly the same at every dealer that honors the discount. My dealer did not hesitate (we'll see if the car is actually delivered!)
  • I feel stupid. . (am I the only one?), but more educated. of course, the vast majority of us don't qualify for such a discount. you are taking advantage of a great price and opportunity. I did learn that my "invoice" includes the advertising allowance given to dealers (I asked about this. . its clearly non negotiable) Your lease is as good as it gets, and would be the exact same at any Saab dealer (so you might as well go to the most convenient one). I'm picking up my 9-3 Saturday, same exact car as yours except color (i don't want 17 " wheels either. . it does snow where I live). I promise to write a thorough review after a few days of hard driving.
  • oldsman01oldsman01 Posts: 1,203
    How much did you put down on the car? Your total upfront was $3102 so I'm curious what all that includes. My company is the same way, they buy alot of vans, trucks, and SUVs from GM and Ford so all employees are eligible for GMS pricing and Ford's X-plan pricing. Who knows, we may work for the same company. You guys aren't headquartered in Chicago are you?
  • Looking for a good mid size.. down to Saab 9-3 ( might be too expensive) the volvo s60 (would consider s40) the honda accord EXL or Camry XLE.. most important factors.. reliability, safety and cost.. any thoughts on these? I have a volvo V40 wagon and I really like it.. the cars are close in price.. any thoughts on which to stay away from or whether the increased price for saab or volvo are worth it??
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