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Ford Excursion Maintenance and Repair

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  • twtcadtwtcad Posts: 13
    re: rotors

    I have an '03 Limited w/ 4x4 & 7.3l and I purchased mine with 45k+/- on it back in July of 2005. Within the first few months of owning it I replaced the rotors argumentatively not knowing about the warping issue, but because I know it was a big truck and I had warping issues on my Suburban. Both vehicles I had purchased a set of 4 slotted and dimpled rotors off ebay and have been extremely please. Both trucks had huge improvements in stopping, well that with good tires. I only ran Michelin's on the Suburban and on the Excursion except I'm trying the Toyo Open Country now and I am very please with them. Sorry, off topic......my X now has 120k on it w/ 75k on the new rotors and not one issue! At first I use Hawk pads, but now I'm using Raybestos heavy duty and I would not change a thing! I would not stress paying a fortune for rotors, I do not remember what I paid but they were very reasonable. If you buy off Ebay, just make sure you check out their feedback and make sure you get dimpled, not drilled thru. Drilling thru weekends the rotor and you do not want one to explode under the X's heavy weight while braking hard.

    re: Radio......fphilli1 is correct, those 4 holes are for a 2 piece tool. If you Best Buy has competent installers have them do it. They did just fine installing an Alpine for me, but totally fubarred installed the Alpine Flip Down TV.............

    Good Luck!
  • 45cal4545cal45 Posts: 3
    Break Pads

    I have the same problem with my back breaks they shutter when I start to stop. Let me know if anyone answers.

    Thanks
    Tom
  • daddy818daddy818 Posts: 18
    fphilli1,heater1951,idgolfjunkie,twtcad,45cal45-- I've decided to replace caliper mounting brackets first(very soon) and if I still have "shuddering" then I'll replace rotors w/ dimple-drilled/slotted rotors(because of everyone else's input on these), if shuddering stops I'll replace rotors next time I do brakes, but I will keep you all updated on results. Thank you all again for your input !! Now - regarding the radio removal question(attn: 45cal45), I am not replacing the radio,I am trying to get to the instrument cluster lights and I peeked at a manual at a parts store and the manual says there is a screw in the cavity that holds the radio on the bottom so you have to remove the radio to get to 1 screw so you can remove screw to get the front dash off(I thought that was a stupid place for FORD to hide a screw) but anyway, do I have to buy the tool (from dealer???)to remove the radio, to remove a screw, to remove the dash, to get to the instrument cluster lights ??? WOW, that was a long question huh? Thanks for all replies/help in advance,
    PS- anyone ever have a tab from rear defroster grid come loose from the window??
  • daddy818daddy818 Posts: 18
    Okay,discussed w/ the wife(her truck) and I'm now going to replace rotors first and see if the "shuddering" stops(if not the caliper brackets are next), have ordered the front set of "slotted/dimple-drilled" rotors from brakeperformance.com for $232 (+/-), has a lifetime warranty against warping, also comes w/ free set of semi-metallic pads and free shipping, at least for now. I'm going to install these next week and see if problem still exists. Two things- Anyone have input on brand and type(i.e.- ceramic or semi) of front brake pads seem to work best in comparison of ceramic and semi-metallic?? and in owners manual the torque for these lug nuts is supposed to be 100 ft/lbs, which I've gone by many times, but in my opinion it seems like they should be tighter !! Any input out there (about this and last few postings by me)?? Thanks for all input in advance!! I'll be checking daily for any replies, will keep all of you updated regarding results :)
  • napabluenapablue Posts: 3
    Y'all can do what you want. I'd unload the excursion. I went to Target one day, from inside smelled an electrical fire. When I went outside, the FD was foaming my excursion (and the suv next to mine). My excursion caught fire and burned to the ground. No kidding.

    Seems there was a recall 2/08 when I was in california (live in texas). NEVER got the recall. result is they catch on fire (because of cruise control). The FD inspector told me that the week before a poor soul lost his house because the excursion caught fire hours after he'd parked it IN HIS GARAGE. HE LOST HIS HOUSE.

    NO KIDDING. Unload the piece of junk before it burns your house down.
  • lance17lance17 Posts: 8
    I'm contemplating buying an Excursion. I'm wondering the pro's and con's of purchasing an '05 Gas V10 with 50k miles to an '01 7.3L Diesel with 105k miles. I'm not to into Diesels but the better gas mileage is appealing. I'm more concerned about the overall maintenance of the Diesel to the Gas version. I don't do any towing so the towing power is of no relevance. I only drive about 10k miles a year so would it be more beneficial to get the gas one with 50k or the diesel one with 105k. Any opinions of longevity and maintenance of the gas to the diesel? Thanks.
  • pfteryl1pfteryl1 Posts: 12
    gas for sure...particularly with the low anticipated useage. what are you paying for the gas v10?
  • fphilli1fphilli1 Posts: 30
    I have had a 2001 Diesel Limited 4X4 since I bought it new in 2001. I love it and drive it every day. We do however use the power to pull trailers. I am currious as to why you want such a big truck if you do not plan on using it? I the price of diesel here in Michigan is more that regular fuel most of the time. I do not understand this because they have to refine diesel before they turn it into regular fuel. It is a bunch of Michigan political b.s. if you ask me. Any way If you are only going to drive it 10K per year and do not plan on pulling anything I would not suggest an Excursion at all. If you just love the truck as I do then get the gas V-10. Good luck.......
  • lance17lance17 Posts: 8
    Im not totally sure of your question but the only place I've actually looked for diesel was last night and diesel was 50 cents higher. I was thinking gas for convenience but my buddy put into my head the diesel, his father and him both have diesel dodges and love them. I bought his old gas Dodge and he regretted that he didn't buy a diesel for the longevity of them. I'm just afraid of dealing with maintenance of diesel and finding an actual mechanic I can trust to work on diesel compared to gas. But supposedly the diesel would last longer than the gas one but if I figure I could get a gas one with 50k miles. I could drive it for a while before I move onto my next vehicle. But in the long run the diesel would probably last longer than the gas but I don't want to be dealing with any weird maintenance issues. The math we came up with was if you average 19mgp Diesel and 11mpg Gas and with Diesel being 50 cents more per gallon you would save on average $422 on gas. But where my friend lives in Nor CA the diesel is cheaper I live in Phx and i've only checked out one gas station so obviously the numbers will be off but that is a good basis number so in the long run the diesel the gas saved from the diesel would pay for it's price but maintenance?
  • lance17lance17 Posts: 8
    Thanks for the info. We have 5 people in our family with possible plans for more on the way and we drive an expedition and a dodge ram now but the expedition has no storage space whatsoever so I was looking at the Excursion to hopefully consolidate the truck and the expedition into one car. I don't like the look of the surburbans. I do like the newer version surburbans '07s and up and the new expedition EL but at the moment they are too expensive for us to afford. The Excursions are sweet looking and will hold the family and all our stuff for Camping and trips from Phx to Oklahoma but for day to day use my big concern is the gas to diesel engines for gpm and maintenance. How is the AC for Diesel's do they take a while to get going, with living in Phoenix the car will reach 120 degrees plus everyday for at least 3 months so I don't want to be waiting for the diesel to fire up to get the ac going. Can you remote start a diesel like a gas vehicle. That way the AC is already blowing before we get into it.
  • lance17lance17 Posts: 8
    Could people post me their average mileage they get preferably not with towing taken into account and could you post what engine and the year you have as well and if it is a 4x2 or a 4x4. How much of a difference in power and MPG for the V8 to the V10 Gas engines. Thanks.
  • readordiereadordie Posts: 2
    My 2005 Diesel 6.0 Power stroke get 19 to 20 MPG on the freeway if I keep it under 65 mph. In the city, I average 15.5 MPG. Love the car.
  • readordiereadordie Posts: 2
    What is the trick to changing out the front pads? How do you get the 2 push pins to stay on the disks while installing the disks? Any suggestion will be tremendously appreciated.

    Trying to save couple hundred dollars by doing it myself in this economic times.
  • daddy818daddy818 Posts: 18
    I think you must be referring to the "guide pins" (at least thats what I call them), these pins sit in bushings inside the caliper mounting brackets and once you've unbolted the caliper they should stay in place(the caliper bolts go through the caliper housing and screw into these pins correct??). Let me know if this is what you are talking about.
  • twtcadtwtcad Posts: 13
    I have an '03 X w/ the 7.3l and 4x4. We rarely tow anything and we bought it for the diesel and 6 kids; yep every seat is full. Two car seats in the back row and two teenagers and we all fit comfortably! (5,6,10,11,14 & 16) We can all go to the grocery store and all the groceries can fit in the back. We just went to Vero Beach for the weekend and everything fit, no external storage! Now for week long trips we use one of those sears cargo carriers. But it is a real pain, we before the next big trip I will be getting one of those hitch mount storage boxes. (any suggestions?) One big advantage with the diesel is you can run Biodiesel or WVO (waist veggie oil) I personally run a blend of about 10-14 gal of diesel and the rest WVO and I get about the same mileage as straight diesel. Around town taking it easy I get around 13mpg and on a trip I get around 15mpg if I keep it around 70mph. Daily driving I get between 550 & 600 miles per tank, just depends on how much idling we do. If you do not need it, stay away from the 4x4.......it kills your mpg! But I love my truck and this is my first diesel and it is the first of many more. As a matter of fact, I'm looking for a f250 to replace my honda accord! This truck is way better than my previous suburban! Good Luck!
  • lance17lance17 Posts: 8
    Thanks for the info. It's very much appreciated.
  • lance17lance17 Posts: 8
    twtcad. Awesome. Thanks for your post as well. With our expedition we bought one of those add on trailers to stick into our hitch as well. There not bad. We bought ours for like 80 bucks or something at Bass Pro Shops. Nothing is enclosed in it we bought a set of bungee chords to tie everything down we don't stack it very high but it gives a little more space. Be careful when you have it on and your not carrying anything. Had a lady ram us in the drive through and hit the trailer. It did fine since it was drive thru speeed, and she was in a car no less. I'm leaning towards a diesel for the mpg and the longevity of them. Thanks for the advice on the 4x4 as well. I'm thinking about bypassing that as well hopefully will get even better mileage.
  • twtcadtwtcad Posts: 13
    You are very welcome! Some more info..........'03 was a model change for the engine; every diesel x before 03 is a 7.3l and after '03 is a 6.0 and '03 is a mix. The 7.3l is the tried and true workhorse for Ford. Some people say the 6.0 was a bad mistake. I say if you are not towing anything you should be fine w/ the 6.0 and you will get better gas mileage especially w/ 2wd. Also, don't be afraid of diesel maintenance as they are basically the same as gas; you change the fluids, belts, brakes, filters, ect......I've put about 75k on mine and the only things I've done to it is fluids, filters brakes (slotted, dimpled rotors) alternator, both batteries and Ranchero shocks. I am planning on replacing the exhaust this summer to a 4" free flow from the turbo back, this should help out the mpg a little. Oh I should mention I also have a superchips programmer on my truck set to performance which adds about a 100hp and makes a huge difference in throttle response and upped my mpg about 2mpg.
  • nukefordnukeford Posts: 4
    I have a 2001 Excursion 7.3 and I usually get about 15 MPG with a mix of highway and city. My diesel has about 150,000 on it and I just took it on a trip to Florida. We had nine people packed in with a loaded carrier in the back. I got 17-18.5 MPG at 70MPH.
    I have found that the main factor in my gas mileage is temperature. I can usually count on 1-1.5 less MPG in the winter. I have a 2000 F250 diesel that I ran on the highway. The truck ran its best in the summer when it was over 90 degrees. The truck has 302K on it and is going pretty strong (power train). I never did anything to it except change the oil and trans fluid. cant say much about the V10.
    For that year and make, with that kind of mileage, it is probably getting close to ball joints and shocks. I think the heavier diesel is slightly less efficient with tirewear. The oil changes will cost you more but with 10K a year that would not be a big problem. FYI--that year of Ford has a tendency to have power door lock issues and "door ajar". I am also starting to get some minor paint peeling. The biggest problem with the diesels
    is they last so long you tend to think you have more problems than you really do.
  • lance17lance17 Posts: 8
    twtcad. Thanks again. Yeah through my research I've found the year of the engine changes. I have a buddy who is a diesel freak and I've been trying to get a hold of him for a couple of days. I presume if I go diesel he will have some options to boost the mpg even more, im sure the aforementioned "superchip" will come into play. But buying a diesel and leaving it as stock I think will still get better gas mileage than my 4x4 '01 Ram. So that will be nice. From what I've found in my area my two best diesel options at the moment are a '00 7.3 4x4 with 105k for $16k and the other is an '04 6.0 with 60k miles for $17k. Would you take the tried and true 7.3 with 105k or the 6.0 with 60k. How is your AC. I live in Phoenix so it's an absolute must it's like oxygen in the summer time around here. Thanks again.
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