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Volvo XC90 SUV

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  • mark189mark189 Posts: 107
    You listed some nice features that the Volvo will offer. Most are offered by the Acura MDX, which sells for around $8,000 to $10,000 less (with dvd NAV the base MDX sells for $37,000)

    * DVD based navigation system (MDX has)
    * steering wheel controls for audio (MDX has - not sure about navi controls)
    * a third row that does not intrude on luggage space when not in use (MDX has)
    * a front passenger seat that folds down if you need to haul long objects (not sure how often you'd use that, but nice extra)

    One thing the MDX that the Volvo will probably not have, is a high level of reliability. The Volvo should be a very competitive SUV, but if you're price sensitive, I think the MDX is a better buy.
  • rob222rob222 Posts: 49
    Read everything on all the websites, watched the videostream from the Detroit Car show and I'm very excited in what I've seen.

    This vehicle is not a minivan or station wagan with AWD. It appears to be a "real" SUV, with SUV clearance and off road capabilities (although not really advertised) with tremendous performance, all the technological options that could be offered, and with probably one of the best gas mileages in the class.

    Now the wait till October. Hopefully the posts here will increase. The is like the "stove pipe" league (slang: idle conversation about trade rumors between teams) while you're waiting for baseball season to start.

    Rob from Sterling, VA.
  • wmquanwmquan Posts: 1,817
    I think where the Volvo may fall short of what some folks consider to be a "true SUV" will be in its AWD system. It's not a permanent 4WD system (all four wheels going at once), but an AWD system where power is usually delivered to the front wheels unless slippage is detected. The pros of the AWD system are probably lighter weight and potentially greater reliability, the cons are that in some situations there'd be some slippage until the AWD kicks in.

    That said, the Volvo's AWD should be adequate for most applications.

    Where the XC90 will beat the MDX is in the plethora of safety features. Side curtain airbags, available bi-xenon headlamps, assisted braking, stability control, enhancements to stability control to prevent rollovers, a heavily reinforced roof structure, whiplash protection seats, etc. The XC90 may well be the new standard in SUV safety. This is not to say that the MDX is not a safe vehicle, it is quite safe, but there are vehicles with substantially more safety features to hit that diminishing percentage of other injury risks.

    The Volvo's reliability may not be as bad as some might think. It's based on the S80 platform which recently has garnered at least "average" scores according to Consumer Reports. Though I'd avoid a first year version!

    I think Volvo should bundle scheduled maintenance with the vehicle, like the premium German SUV's and wagons (X5, ML320, allroad). Not that the RX300 or MDX have scheduled maintenance bundled, but Volvos in general have a reputation of being very expensive to maintain.

    I'm looking forward to seeing it. Won't be able to afford it, but I really like what I see so far.
  • Does anyone know what the towing capacity will be?
    Thanks.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,576
    A review and video clip are available in the Helpful Links box on the left navigation sidebar.

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  • SporinSporin Posts: 1,066
    The XC90 (as well as the V70 AWD and V60 AWD) use the Haldex AWD system. This is the same system used by Audi in the TT, S3 and A3, and by VW in the Golf AWD.

    It is a reactive system. If the front wheels start to slip, they send power to the rear in miliseconds. It's a very good system.
  • I'm in the market for a new car sometime this year - - my husband is 6'7" - - any news on the interior dimensions of the XC90?
  • AZMUTT: A local Volvo dealer sent me a new booklet on the 2003 XC90 and interior dimensions are not addressed at all, neither is tow capability. The exterior dimensions are listed and I will post those if you desire. If any other posteers out there have come upon interior dimensions would you please share on this town hall. Azmutt is concerned about a tall driver; I am concerned about my wife who is a short driver(5'), plus I tow a 2000 lb camper.
  • How's this story, I have been told by the internet manager via emails and in person that they will be accepting the x-plan! I placed my name on the wait list months ago and I was #15 on their list. Now, recently the dealer hasnt contacted me to testdrive one or place my order which I find weird. I am suspecting that he was either lying to me before or just didnt know. It would be nice if he contacted me after I put down my deposit. By the way I am in MA too. I wonder if its the same dealer. What % over invoice did it end up being?
  • smudge3smudge3 Posts: 9
    The website VolvoXC90.com will give you the latest information on this SUV plus provide you with updates.
  • porknbeansporknbeans Posts: 464
    I did do a search before I started a thread on this vehicle using a different name. I looked on both boards visually and did a search using the Edmunds tool. I did this on both the wagons and SUV's. I apologize for missing it visually and do not know what happened when using the search tool. Your sarcasm is neither appreciated or warranted.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,576
    Our search engine leaves a bit to be desired. I can find the duplicate discussion just fine looking for "XC", but this one didn't show up at all for me.

    Your title seems a better choice, porknbeans, so I'm going to adopt it for this discussion. Maybe other searchers will find it easier that way.

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  • porknbeansporknbeans Posts: 464
    There is a review with a nice compact description and comparison to other vehicles at newcartestdrive.com Their website is www.nctd.com I've seen it in person and glanced at the specs but I was still surprised to see that it was bigger than the MDX. It doesn't look that big because of its overhangs and proportions.
  • schuhcschuhc Posts: 333
    volvospy.com has good information as well.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,576
    Preview: 2003 Volvo XC90

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  • guy44guy44 Posts: 67
    I'm surprised that there is so little interest in the XC90 on this site. The Honda Pilot which is due out this year as well has over 1200 posts so far on this Town Hall. I figure the vehicles will be fairly comparable (except for the price) but very little is being said about the XC90. What gives?
  • crikeycrikey Posts: 1,038
    ...high price? Maybe more people can afford the Honda Pilot and the XC90 is a bit out of most people's budget. I was interested in the Volvo XC 90 also but I don't think I could afford it.
  • The Volvo XC-90 will exceed the price point for most ordinary citizens who purchase SUV-type vehicles. Pilot enthusiasts are excited about getting a reasonable, quality vehicle at an affordable price point (vs. the MDX). But if you look at posting rates for other expensive utes you'll see that they're mighty quiet as well.

    Personally, I like what I've seen thus far on the XC-90 and look forward to its arrival.
  • spfoteyspfotey Posts: 131
    also -- the pilot arrives on the heels of their van and the mdx -- like them or not, they came close to the bulls-eye for many buyers -- plus, Honda's reliability and engineering have a much broader audience. plus - the car arrives in just over two months, so anticipation is higher. personally, i wish it were here now cuz i think it looks pretty cool!
  • rob222rob222 Posts: 49
    I agree that there is not enough discussion on the XC. Comparable buyers are Toyota Sequoia, GMC Envoy XL or Tahoe. These or the $40k folks and do spend lots of time talking about their cars in Townhall.

    My anaylsis of the text, specs, and pics of the XC90 make it more than with a Minivan with AWD (MDX, Pilot, Rendezvous.) To me, it looks like a cross between a Grand Cherokee (side view and clearance) and the Volvo Cross Country Wagon (front and rear.)

    265HP Twin Turbo engine, boron steel roof, computerized anti-roll system, night vision windshield, 3 seats with lots of second and third leg room because of the transverse mounted engine are a few reasons why this car is not comparable in quality or snob appeal to a Mazda Tribute, CRV or other cost saving popular cars that everyone owns.

    Don't forget the 14 speaker entertainment system-Mommies and Daddies listen up front to their tunes and kiddies listen to their stuff or watch DVDs. Great Navigation system with internet connectivity.

    The reason I got hooked on this car is the ground clearance, a whopping 9.6 inches. This beats the Grand Cherokee. Although the Volvo website is careful how they talk about offroad abilities, I am comfortable that I can take it on the beach at the Outer Banks. This beats out every other pseudo SUV in the market.

    I am down to the Envoy XL (3seats, comes out in April) and the XC. Come on folks, let's keep the debate hot. Hopefully, I have stirred the pot.

    Rob from Sterling, VA GO TERPS!!!
  • Okay Rob, I'll bite. As a previous owner of two Volvo 850 wagons (one turbo, one normally aspirated), I have been following the XC90 since the development of the Adventure Concept Car more than a year ago. I have spoken with the factory representatives, researched the XC90, and seen it at the Chicago Auto Show. I have also put down a deposit on an XC90 when they arrive next October (fully refundable if I decide not to buy). So why does there seem not to be so much enthusiasm for the vehicle on this website? I have a few theories.

    First, the comparable vehicles most definitely are not the Envoy XL, Sequioa, or Yukon. Rather, they are the MDX (on the low end), X5, and ML. Volvo is marketing this as a luxury vehicle. Second, the price, at least on the initial vehicles, is going to be rather steep. The base model will start out in the middle-upper thirties (just above the MDX price point), but the price will quickly increase with options such as the T6 engine, nav system, entertainment system, night vision, etc. I have been told to expect selling prices between $45-$50k. Third, Volvos are still a bit of a cult vehicle. If you log onto vvspy or swedespeed, there is plenty of discussion about the XC90. Finally, there are just so many great vehicles similar to the XC90 already in the marketplace or coming out (Volvo is way late to the SUV party) that the XC90 is lost in the shuffle.

    By the way, if you think that you want one of the first XC90s, you'd better act quickly. Volvo wants the first 6,000 pre-sold (i.e., deposits taken) by May, and those vehicles won't arrive on our shores until October, at the earliest. For anyone who doesn't have a deposit down, I think you can expect an MDX-like wait if you want to order one next Fall.

    I think your Terps are the odds-on favorites. That game with Kansas is going to be a classic.
  • guy44guy44 Posts: 67
    I've got a depositi on a Honda Pilot, but when it comes in, if I don't like it, I was considering putting a deposit in on the XC90 which also looks like a nice SUV plus the great safety features. I'm a bit concerned about Volvo reliability. Are Volvos generally considered reliable and are they costly to maintain?
  • From what I've seen, Volvo's aren't very reliable at all and they're very susceptable to electrical problems much like many other european cars. Consumer reports rates most of their cars' reliability as poor.
  • wmquanwmquan Posts: 1,817
    Is not cheap according to some owner reports I've read.

    Unfortunately, unlike other expensive-to-maintain European luxury brands, Volvo does not offer free scheduled maintenance. They should follow in the footsteps of Mercedes-Benz, BMW, and Audi and offer free scheduled maintenance.

    The Japanese makes don't offer free scheduled maintenance, though arguably their maintenance costs are lower, at least in the U.S. (however, I hear some Lexus dealers are charging a pretty penny).
  • pexplpexpl Posts: 18
    The aviator seem to be a very good car, i think both the aviator and the volvo xc 90 has similar safety features. Partly because Ford owned em, other than that i don't think volvo is worth the big bucks, they should sell the xc 90 much cheaper than the ML-320.

    NO this SUV is not going to push their sells that MUCH.

    From what i understand not much people is interested in the car, mainly for the price.
    However, from the last few messages it mentioned reliability problem, from what i understand my friends that drive Volvo have no probelm with their cars, so reliability should not be a factor.
    Personally i would much rather get a MDX, X5, M and the aviator. All are good in safety, too!
  • rob222rob222 Posts: 49
    Who makes it?
  • crikeycrikey Posts: 1,038
    ...is a Lincolnized Ford Explorer/Mercury Mountaineer but it will have a 4.6L V-8 with 300hp. :)
  • Having owned two Volvo 850 wagons, I can tell you that, like most makes and models, Volvo reliability has to be evaluated on a car-by-car basis. I first owned a 1994 850 turbo wagon that had no end of problems, most of which were minor, but it was annoying to bring the car into the dealership every other month to address them. I traded in the car at about 60,000 miles for a 2001 Mitsubishi Montero Limited that has run flawlessly. My second 850 wagon, which I still own, has 96,000 miles on it with absolutely no problems whatsoever. I have the oil changed and that's about it. I plan on driving that vehicle into the ground. Note, though, that the 850 was assembled in Belgium, and I am not sure where the XC90 will be built. One other issue that has been widely discussed on Volvo enthusiast web sites, such as swedespeed.com and vvspy.com, is the issue of reliability among the first model year of new Volvos. For example, the S80 had many problems in its first model year, but Volvo has worked out the bugs and the S80 is now a superb automobile. In the XC90, most of the mechanicals are going to be derived from systems that Volvo already employs and has tweaked, so I would expect its initial quality to surpass that of the S80 when it bowed. I do think that it generally is good advice not to buy a vehicle in its first model year. I guess it's just a question of whether you need to have the latest, greatest thing or whether you can wait a year or two.
  • losthat1losthat1 Posts: 93
    I have owned five Volvos. Relibility has been from fantastic to horrible. Now I need to consider a vehicle that can tow at least 5,000lbs. I do not want a large SUV such as the Lincoln Navigator. Has anyone heard what the new XC90 will be capable of towing? Or does anyone have the ability to calculate this with the stats available? Thanks.
  • mark189mark189 Posts: 107
    I have heard that you can buy in Europe and save money. Does anybody have any information about this option?
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