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Ford Expedition Maintenance and Repair

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  • tourguidetourguide Posts: 188
    So you've had your Expy for some time now and are getting happier with it. I would like to get into a Ford product (thinking of the Expy specifically), but the more I read about owner experience and the way Ford deals with it's customers the more I am questioning that decision. I keep reading and hearing about people like fx4 and how Ford limits the number of trips back to the dealer they'll pay for and I have to wonder what in blue blazes is up with Ford?! Why would they want the owners of their new products to be ANYTHING other than happy?! All this and under the bumper to bumper warranty period.

    I'm planning on spending some cash on my next purchase, but I'll be into the vehicle I choose for a good stretch and I want to be treated right, not jerked around.

    Would you recommend a new Ford product based on your experience?
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    There are dealers, and there are dealers, to be sure. I like mine, and they have treated me well.

    My affection for Ford products was enhanced a great deal through my experience as a fleet manager for 5 years. We had Chryslers, GMs, Fords & Toyotas in the fleet. Trucks, cars & executive cars. Having the chance to buy 'em, drive 'em & service 'em, over the 5 year period, I grew to respect the Fords a great deal, and gravitated toward them.

    Having said that, Ford turns out a turkey once in a while and some of there stuff is incredible, while other models are not. Generally, the trucks are the best, IMO. The Town Car, Grand Marquis & Crown Victoria are awesome, run forever, comfortable, old fashioned cruisers. I'm less of a fan of the Taurus/Sable, but the Focus is world class - just ugly as hell to me.

    So, yes, I'd recommend them. I drive several of them. I deviate from time to time, but always have some Fords in the family fleet & my business.

    The very first 03 Expeditions were trouble prone - new edition bugs and all. I would not be afraid of any 04 Expedition. I think you'll be very pleased, and I do think it's the best unit on the market in the class.
  • Yeah, what he said.
  • Has anyone had any electrical problems with there 03' Expedition? With my car, I have a problem where the odometer goes out, power windows goes out, radio goes out, dome lights go out, and air bag light turns on. It always happens when I go out of town or take it on long trips. Ford says the cannot find anything wrong with it, even when they have clearly seen there is something wrong with it. I think Ford Service sucks. Everytime this happens, all the components I have listed go out. Has anyone else had any problems like this?
  • wijocowijoco Posts: 462
    DO any other electrical parts fail at that time, or just the interior stuff? I ask because there's a small computer called the "body control module" that runs all the stuff you're describing and there could be a wiring problem, ground problem, or bad module itself. Unfortunately the dealer can only find it if they can reproduce the problem and even then it will take some wire chasing. Be patient, give them a few tries, yes it will be a pain but mystery electrical problems always are. I hope they fix it for you, good luck.
  • corpuscorpus Posts: 37
    Perhaps the reason Ford is suffering has to do with the get-rich-quick society. I know a lawyer that won $225 million (not a typo) for a guy who rolled a crew-cab Ford pickup at 2 am on a Saturday night. The door latches failed, and two of his relatives (not wearing seatbelts) were ejected and killed. They expected the truck to be designed to withstand landing on its roof, I guess.

    I know a bunch of lawyers that have made a ton of money suing Ford and Firestone. Now, as a result, we have to replace the p.o.s. ContiTrac tires they put on the new SUV's. I can't help but think that these lawsuits have hurt the product and the service. The business still has to make a buck, or close its doors. We all pay for the greed of a few.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Yes we do, and yes they (Contintental tires) are!
  • fx4fx4 Posts: 72
    When you post on problems with so and so brand in this type format, there is always a risk of
    painting a too dark of a picture. There a many pulses for the 2003 and up Expeditions
    and other Ford products. For example the truck type V-8 engines I have had for the last 20 years have done nothing but start and run for 175,000+ miles trouble free. Nearly the same for transmissions. Also Ford dealers often go out of their way to solve problems, hand you keys to
    nearly new service loaners, etc.

    With that said, I am still peeved at Ford big time for making such a nice SUV that is so hopelessly overweight for a truck based vehicle in F-150, 1500 range. For example the 2004 Michigan Hwy Patrol Police Vehicle Tests show a 2wd Chevy Tahoe with 5.3L engine at just over 5,000 lbs, while the Ford in similar configuration 2wd, 5.4L is over 5,400. With ever expanding gobal auto usuage, concern about gobal warming, etc., why would Ford build such an overweight monster? Also the invoice for my FX4 read 5,396 (6 gallons of fuel), but the thing has consistently weighed over 5,800 lbs with 28 gallons of fuel in the tank on several different certified public scales. The above MHP Tests has the Tahoe 4wd at 5,370 lbs or so with the 5.3L engine.

    ..you might as well be happy ...if you ever buy the Ford Expedition, rapid depreciation (versus say the Tahoe) locks you into being a happy Ford owner for 60 months..Ha!
  • Good afternoon folks,

    With the birth of our 3rd child, I have been contemplating replacing our 165K Oldsmobile Custom Cruiser (with 3rd seat) with an E.B. Expedition. I have been looking at these massive beasts since they first came out. I wish Oldsmobile made a similar vehicle, but alas, Oldsmobile wont be making any more vehicles after this year...

    I have reviewed the Expedtion safety records, looked at rollover research and read every post on this board. Now I am getting close to taking the plunge. I would be buying one from the late 90s, and of course, I am trying to stay within budget.

    I have a friend who is going to be selling his blue 98 EB Expy with 76K miles, 3rd row seat, lots of options (roof option unknown at present) and it runs well with no problems. The deal is probably going to be for about 10K-11K.

    I am looking at the Expy this weekend and I want to look over the truck for any common trouble spots. I plan to check:
    1) Any vibrations while riding, tire condition etc
    2) Rust under doors?
    3) Rear wiper operation
    4) Radio/CD operation
    5) Child safety locks locking by themselves?
    6) E-Brake cable condiiton - corroded or good?
    7) Blue smoke on startup?
    8) Air shocks on back keeping correct level
    9) 4wd operational
    10)General operation and functionality

    Any other suggestions?

    Thanks!
    Maytag
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    My only knock on the 98 Expedition, is the engine produced only 230bhp, a little light for my taste, (and that's the 5.4L triton). I am really under impressed with the 4.6L in that truck. But as far as reliability - I think the Expedition is as good as it gets! Buy with pride, as long as you like the power and feel it is adequate. If you don't tow, it'll probably be fine.
  • horst1horst1 Posts: 33
    I do believe you have an antenna problem. Your antenna is picking up alternator noise. Try to isolate the antenna or have it grounded properly. I believe you also can by antenna filters. Good luck with it.
    Horst
  • Thanks for the reply nvbanker. I suspect the power will be adequate for my taste, and I may very well tow a open car trailer with a full size 1968-1988 Oldsmobile from time to time. Between the trailer and the car, we're probably talking about a little less than 5000 pounds. I would think the 230hp 5.4 would be sufficient. Am I totally off base?

    Thanks!
    Maytag
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    It'll do it, but it'll huff and puff a bit, whereas the next year, they raised the HP to 260, and I've towed car trailers with that one, with no effort at all.
  • Ford has kept everyone waiting over a year for new "low dust" brake pads

    But guess what, They decided to charge $250 plus installation for them instead of covering them like they promised they would.

    They are part number 4L1Z-2001-BA
    Please let Ford know what what you think about that.
  • Thanks nvbanker! If it can do it, that will be ok, I dont mind if I have to take my time accelerating with a load. If I had the additional cash, I would probably go for the '99. With my budget, I would probably have to go with a salvage title vehicle if I wanted a 99 or newer, which I would prefer to avoid.

    Thanks!
    Maytag
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    It'll run like a Maytag, Maytag! They're great trucks.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Maybe I just wash my truck more often than most. (Average every other week), but it's not that big a deal to me.
  • Now thats what I wanted to hear nvbanker :) I guess the only thing that concerns me are the problem reports from the new models like the 2003, what with the tire vibrations, rear end clutch packs, tales of trans replacements, head gaskets nightmares, oil leaks resulting in engine replacements... Wow... better get that aftermarket warranty!!

    Maytag
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    You know, I see that on the boards here, but honestly, I don't know ANYBODY who has a bad one, and there are 3 on my block of 8 homes. My #2 at work has a 99 with no problems. I probably know 10 people with Expeditions, none of them are bad. The early 03's had some new model issues, but since the 3rd EC, they've been great. No worries.
  • Take a look around, just about every new Expedition looks like the front wheels were painted black.

    For over a year Ford has been telling owners "We are aware of this concern but don't worry we are working on it"

    15 months later they come out with the new pads but now have decided that the brake dust they once called "excessive" is now normal and won't pay for it.
  • Hi! I'm having some problems with my 99 Expedition:

    I woke up this morning and nothing was getting any power (power door locks/ windows/ignition, etc). I jumped it with my jeep and she started right up. But as soon as I shift into anything but park or neutral, the radio and wipers don't work. The radio completely looses power. The wipers will keep going only if I turned then on when I was in park or neutral. But when I shift back into Park or Neutral, everything works fine! Sometimes after I turn the ignition off I hear a bunch of clicks, kinda like relays clicking, in the dash just to the right of the steering column.

    Anyone heard of this before? Could it be the Body Control Module? What should I check?

    Thanks for the help!!!

    Brett
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Do you have any added on electrical equipment on this baby? Like a DVD player or something?
  • Electrical problems are the (IMO) hardest to troubleshoot and require the greatest expertise fix. It is difficult to find that kind of expertise in mom and pop shops that tend to have more reasonable labor rates. That leaves you stuck generally with taking your vehicle to the dealership and letting them have a go at it.

    You might try www.flatratetech.com. Some Ford techs there try to help out people like you although electrical generally requires hands on troubleshooting.

    Good luck. A BCM is an expensive fix so cross your fingers and hope it isn't that.
  • atcersatcers Posts: 26
    Hello All,

    I usually lurk and read but now is a good time to post. I own a 2003 4x4 Eddie Bauer Expy "A" model 5000 block vintage and it may suprise a few that I have had very few complaints. Yes I have had the advanc-trak module replaced along with the "s" spring fix and new outside memory mirrors. The only other complaints were a raido that would not work with the scan feature and a bad latch on the passanger front door. I sympathize with the owners of the front end vibration as I am blessed to have avoided that problem even with the Conti tires. Yes the wheel dust is an annoyance but there are worse things in life than dirty front wheels. The vehicle is rock solid and the 4x4 system makes easy work of east coast winters. My only truely ongoing gripe is the crummy gas mileage. On the highway with no a/c at 65mph I get 15.5 mpg with the 5.4L, around town 14mpg. The strange thing is I towed a 3000 pound vehicle on a car carry trailer (5000 lbs gross) from the Washington DC area to western West Virginia through the WV mountians with no problems whatsoever (OD turned off) and averaged 13.5mpg! I would recommend the new Expy to anyone who is looking for a full sized SUV and doesn't expect too much in the way of fuel economy.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Despite rising gas prices (and I have to put Premuim in my beast), I am not unhappy with the mileage for the size and power of the truck. If I wanted mileage, I'd get an Escape.
  • I'm going to be placing an order for a new vehicle in April. I am 95% settled on an 04 Expedition. My only wish is that the Ford had a little more power so it was a bit zippier around town. I've driven them a couple of times and that is the only thing I notice that stikes me as out of place.

    Historically the Ford products we've owned have been good to us so I am looking for that to continue with this purchase. I'm planning on buying it outright and keeping it over time so an extended warranty is in my plan too.

    These boards have been helpful to get a variety of perspectives on owner experiences.

    What turned it for me in the end was initial purchase price and safety.

    GM - cost more to get into initially and has NO OPTION for second row side impact protection. WHAT is GM thinking? Are second row passengers not as important? My children are going to be riding there. GM has sub par crash test scores relative to Ford.

    Foreign - Have superior long term reliability and resale value but simply cost too much to get into.

    Fuel economy is not playing into this decision as it is similar across all manufacturers for full size SUVs.

    Anyhow those are my thoughts.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Personally, I think the power is there, just not at the 800 RPM level as much as the GM pushrod engines deliver. Yet, the tip in of power on my Navigator is almost too much. That's a slightly
    different version of the engine though. You'll have enough power in the Expedition for whatever you need to do.
  • Thanks for all the info all of you have posted. Just picked up my 04 loaded monochrome loaded Eddie Bauer. Wow what a vehicle.......we're pretty fired up, having the satellite radio installed next week.

    Thanks for all the intel!
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Congrats!! Monochrome version, eh? What color do those come in?
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