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Ford Expedition Maintenance and Repair

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  • tmetztmetz Posts: 1
    I am sure this has been addressed before so I apologize but I am frustrated! My '03 Expedition has developed a sort of grinding or binding sound when turning right and sometimes left when proceeding from a stop. Example: Turning right from a stop light/sign. I have had it in 2 times but of course it didn't do for the dealership. It is getting worse, and the last time in, it did it little for the mechanic who rode with me. He said it was probably just a fuel line vibrating. BULL CRAP! My brother, a Mercedes Service Manager has experienced it a number of times while riding w/ me. Last time he happened to be in the 2nd row and he said it sound like it was coming from the rear axle. I even took the TSB dealing with this issue in the last time but the mechanic shook it off saying he laughs when customers bring these in thinking they apply to their car. HELP HELP HELP

    Tim
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Mine was doing the same thing - turned out to be the front brakes were totally shot, linings, rotors, everything was schrapnel at 24,000 miles. Ford replaced everything at no charge for me.
  • whitebwhiteb Posts: 1
    I have an '03 EB and started noticing the engine "skipping" and "missing" during acceleration and idling. This started after taking it to a car wash. Could water have gotten into the engine compartment and be causing this??
  • The problem here is your rear clutch pack is binding up. This is a known issue with the '03 Expy. Mine started doing it at about 1K miles. Ford is very aware of it and will replace your entire rear end for free. When I took mine in and showed them they first said it was the brakes until they actually looked at the clutch pack. Then they told me that it was not safe to drive and they gave me a loaner on the spot. It took them a week to get the parts and fix it, but it's been great ever since.

     

    You shouldn't have any problem with them fixing it for free. Just be nice and explain the problem and let them know that it's a known issue that they can check on. However I would guess they know all about it.
  • fx4fx4 Posts: 72
    The Ford Expeition brake pads were changed to some ceramic version at Job 2 date (say around 12/04) for the 2005 Expedition models. Local Ford dealer shop manager says the downside of the new ceramic pads is more brake noise. He said Ford would not replace mine with the cermaic type at no charge. At least one Edmunds post earlier said the Ford dealer replaced his pads with Ford Job 2 ceramic pads under warranty on his Exp.

     

    Assume rotors are the same spec for both ceramic and non-ceramic 2004 Expedition? Anyone know for sure about the rotors? If so, 2003 and early 2004 Expy owners can at least consider ceramic pads next time if Ford will not/does not replace now under warranty.

     

    Also note that 04 Job 2 gives the double core radiator again in 5.4L Expedition with H/D trailer tow package after the double core being absent a clouple of years in H/D T/T package
  • tourguidetourguide Posts: 188
    Your information on the ceramic brake pads appears to be off a bit fx4. Ford had switched over to the new ceramics by April of 04 as this was when my 2004 went into production with those very pads on it. In my opinion ceramics have two advantages over metalic, 1.) Noise is DEFINATELY reduced (I can attest to this). 2.) Brake dust is SIGNIFICANTLY lessened. That isn't to say the dusting is gone, just reduced. The dust my 04 throws off is grey in color and much less noticable. I just switched our 01 Escape over to ceramics for both of those reasons.

     

    I haven't a clue about the rotor spec, but the stock rotors are pretty soft. At 43,000 they had to be replaced on the Escape.
  • fx4fx4 Posts: 72
    Correction

     

    I had my Expediton model years of 2003 and early 2004 correct, but I was one calendar year off in the opening paragraph.

     

    I got the ceramic pads date off the Job 2 Ford Ordering Guide which would have published somewhere around Nov, Dec 03. They could have been available later in 2004?

     

    It got the information about more noise with Ford ceramic pads on Expedition directly from the local Ford dealer's shop and parts manager. ?

     

    Great experience with aftermarket ceramic pads on our daughter's 97 T/Bird. Price being the only drawback. Shaky brakes of that vintage Bird completely eliminated with ceramic pads and new rotors (no change after many miles history).

     

    My 2004 Expedition NBX was built in mid October 2003 and came with the older non-ceramic pads. Unit still has lots of general braking for heavy Expedition, great tow and panic braking.

     

    P.s. I wanted to get a Job 2 2004 NBX to get ceramic brake pads and dual core radiator with T/T package, but went with early year version to get the 2nd row captains chairs on the one black 2004 NBX I found nearby. These $530 "captains' chairs" turned out to be nothing more than the outside regular seats with armrests (too low for adults)and deleted center seat. This 2nd row arrangement does give additional floor space in the Expedition and provides easy access to third row seats. This 2nd row "option" should be a credit or no cost option instead of a $530 rip off.
  • wkohlerwkohler Posts: 74
    I too looked for the second row seat option before purchasing my 03 Expedition. Couldn't find one at the time, so bought one with the standard 2nd row seats. I took out my center seat in the 2nd row and the set up works just fine. Of course I don't have the "Inboard" armrests, but no one has complained as of yet. Also, I have the "old style" brake pads that have worked very well. Of course there is a dust issue, but I have 60+ thousand miles (mostly highway of course) and still have about half of the brake life left. I too had the "door ajar" issue (about 8 months ago), but in my case used WD40 and have had no re-occurence yet. One thing I wish Ford would do is to contain ALL seat belts within the seats. I notice the 2nd and 3rd row center seats have that set-up. Why not the others??
  • tourguidetourguide Posts: 188
    It's funny you should mention that your Ford Dealer said that about the noise of ceramic pads because mine told me the exact same thing I said about the noise being reduced. Why they are telling you this is a mystery to me. Perhaps they have a vested interest in influencing people's opinions to the negative on ceramic pads? It would certainly be a way for them to avoid having to pay for replacing all those pads for "customer satisfaction" reasons. I drove on metalic pads for years before this vehicle and there was always a chance that the squeak would be there, because of the weathering over time. Ceramics don't weather as there is nothing to oxidize, save for minimal amounts of carbon on braking.

     

    About the seats - yeah I agree with you there. I'm not super thrilled about those either. In my opinion the Explorer has a better second row seating setup with the quad-bucket seating option. Ahh well. At least I'm behind the wheel.
  • lenrlenr Posts: 13
    Had a similar problem on my 04 Exp built in Nov 03. Vibrating grind on startup/turn; Mine only happened before warmup of a few miles driving. Changeout of the rear limited slip clutches fixed it. If the service rep. doesn't want to help, go back to your salesman. There is a friction modifier that can be added to the fluid that also may fix it.
  • Ok, here is the scoop on the Expeditions and the brake dust problems. I have researched this and talked to several Mechanics. My Ford Dealership tried to charge me about 700 to 800 dollars. But I have a local brake shop that is only charging me for the Pads and Labor which was much cheaper by far. But here is the solution: The pads that come on the expedition are semi metalic. The solution is to replace them with a "True Ceramic" Brake. My choice was Ceramicool. These pads are 100% true cereamic, and not just impregnated with bits of ceramic. Here is the info i have from the manufacturer, and all the mechanics that I spoke with agree with this: Ceramic brake pads have become the braking industry’s buzzword these days with everyone going for the ceramic brake pads. So why ceramic brake pads?

     

    Ceramic brake pads are generally quieter and lower dusting than most OEM pads and organic based brake pads. Many ceramic formulations offer extremely low dusting characteristics, preventing dust from accumulating on your wheels.

     

    Since they were first used on a few original equipment applications in 1985, friction materials that contain ceramic formulations have become recognized for their desirable blend of traits. Instead of the semi-metallic pad’s steel fibers, the ceramic braking pads make use of the ceramic compounds and copper fibers. This allows the ceramic pads to handle high brake temperatures with less heat fade, provide faster recovery after the stop, and generate less dust and wear on both the brake pads and rotors.

     

    Moreover, the ceramic compounds in the ceramic brake pads make the braking much quieter. This happens as the ceramic compounds help dampen noise by generating a frequency that is beyond the human hearing range.

     

    The above info is from ceramicool. So I am changing my pads i have them ordered. They tell me this will stop the squeaking problem as well as the dust problem. Ford has a technical service buletin out about this, but if you take it to the dealer get ready to pay a lot. I am as I said earlier taking it to a Brake shop. I will post my results after awhile when I see how this goes. hope this helps!
  • my 03 expedition eb has lost audio in the head phones while dvd is playing.any suggestions?
  • my 03 has same brake problems.that dust is an indication of excessive wear and is a saftey issue.me eb looses braking ability when the brakes are used on a long mountain downhill run.my dealer service dept.has put me off.I plan to take it to them one more time this time with my safety at issue rather than the dust.
  • zman3zman3 Posts: 857
    With all due respect I tend to disagree with your comment. As far as I can tell all 03 Expeditions exhibit the excessive dust. It is not a sign of excessive wear and it is not a safety issue. I have had the brake dust since day one and at 30,000 miles my brakes are about 2/3 worn.

     

    I can't speak to how the Expy's breaks perform on mountainous roads since there aren't too many here in Minnesota but any braking system will lose peformance if you ride them too long and heat up the brake fluid.

     

    Karl
  • I also agree that the excessive brake dust on the '03s is not a sign of excessive wear. I had 45,000 miles when I traded it in for an '05 and it still had 60% pad left. By the way, the '05 brakes do not dust the wheels like my '03 did. I've got 7,000 miles on the '05 and haven't had to clean the front wheels once! I cleaned the fronts every 500 miles on my '03.
  • wkohlerwkohler Posts: 74
    I too agree that the brake dust issue is not safety related (unless you hurt your back bending over cleaning the wheels). We don't have any mountains in Ohio, but on our trip to/from California I disengaged the O/D system and let the engine help with the braking when in mountainous areas. Saved a little wear and tear on the brakes, but most likely lowered the gas mileage a little.
  • I have a post from before about the ford expeditions and the brake dust problem? The problem was on the 03, and 04, you can fix this by coverting the front pads to true ceramic pads, I have ordered ceramicool brand for mine, they are shipping this week, will have a local brake technician install them later during the week. Yes its true on the 05's they have gone with ceramic thereby eliminating most of the problem and the annoying sqeal when stopping. The problem as I understand can be eliminated swapping the origional factory semi metallic pads and replacing them with " true ceramic". hope this is helpful, thanks
  • teldocteldoc Posts: 49
    I find the integrated seat belts to be very uncomfortable. GM has them on almost all their front now and if you're a tall driver it feels like Mr Spock is giving you the Vulcan pinch while you drive. Other than inboard seats, I hope FoMoCo NEVER gets away from putting the seat belts on the pillar.
  • I wanted aftermarket seats for my '04 Silverado but told "Sorry" by large California truck seat maker due to integrated seat belts. Traded in my '04 Silverado.
  • fx4fx4 Posts: 72
    Tourguide

     

    I have been on for a while now, but it is ironic that I had the same thought that the shop manager

    might just be putting me off. I too like the Explorer quad seat option.

     

    In general I have been thinking about trading my my 2004 Expedition NBX for something for wife and start driving her 2003 V-8, 4wd, XLT. Then I work and drive the Expedition hard and say no. Just cannot get used to the Expedition weighing so much, especially pulling a grade from low speed.

     

    Other--

     As a taller driver, I definitely prefer the higher post mounted or anchored seatbelts with good adjustment range. GM Tahoe,GM trucks and some Ford models with low seat mounted belts drive me nuts. Have noted height adjuster on Explorer is mostly for short people.

     

    Got to see if NVBANKER has any words of wisdom further down.
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