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Lincoln Aviator

Just wanted to get this link started as I need all info on new 2003 Lincoln Aviator. After 4 Explorers, 1 Expedition with a May, 2002 lease expiration, I am in the market for the new Lincoln SUV.

I am the owner of a 2001 Lincon LS8 Sport which is the best car I have owned (including Mercedes and Audi) I had the privilege to tour the Wixom assembly plant with the LLSOC Club in October and the reduced line speed resulting in quality of assembly has convinced me to seriously consider the Aviator.

News known so far: DOHC V-8 (4.6?), all wheel drive available, first public showing at New York Auto Show in March. I am interested in knowing any upgraded options available at introduction. I know price will be announced later, but believe it will be competitive with Explorer Limited with perhaps Aviator-unique doo-dads.

Is anybody else interested?
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  • smwls8smwls8 Posts: 103
    I have been scouring the web for Aviator pics/info with not much luck. I have enjoyed my 2000 LS 8 very much, but with child #3 due May 2002, an SUV is on my list.

    Although the LS has not been perfect(both rear windows/mech replaced) over all it has been an awesome ride.

    A recent issue of Car and Driver magazine had a disguised photo of the Aviator, and they also reported the DOHC 4.6 engine as an option(Cobra engine or Lincoln Continental?)

    The most impressive thing about owning a Lincoln for me has been the dealer service. Loaner/rentals have been provided for EVERY oil change and warranty service, if given an opportunity I would give Holman L-M in Pembroke Pines, FL a perfect CSI.

    Keep up the good work Jerry.

    Sam
  • marsha7marsha7 Posts: 3,676
    of the Explorer/Mountaineer, or has it been outfitted with additional equipment (and cost?)...there was some thinking earlier that Mercury may "lose" the Mountaineer and it may be "reborn" as a baby Navigator, name unknown...
  • diploiddiploid Posts: 2,286
    Yes marsha, the Aviator is basically an Explorer/Mountaineer. Like the Mountaineer, which has a standard V-8 (thus more standard power than Explorer), the Aviator will probably be more powerful.

    I guess the people at Ford realized that if GM's GMC division could sell a Yukon that's the same as a Chevy Tahoe but with more power, while still getting people to buy a Cadillac Escalade (which is also a Tahoe in underneath- but much more powerful), then it would be smart to do the same with the Explorer/Mountaineer/Aviator.
  • With the Navigator all that lincoln did to it was slightly adjust the styling, raise the power and make the interior much nicer. The explorer/mountaneer and such good selling cars and they have top of the line production facilities for both of them. With those facts I would say that it will definately be based upon the explorer/mountaneer. I think that it will be a mountaneer with less radical styling and a nicer interior.
  • gregb5gregb5 Posts: 82
    The Mountaineer has a V6 standard. The original Mountaineer had a V8 as standard, but it has since been available with V6.
  • karzzkarzz Posts: 151
    I would expect the Aviator to be to the Explorer what the Navigator is to the Expedition. The Navigator has an exclusive engine and more high-end interior appointments not available on the Expedition. The Aviator is supposed to have a 32V, 4 cam V-8 and an "indulgent" interior.

    I doubt if the Aviator will have much of an affect on the Mountaineer since it will no doubt sell for much more and appeal to a different demographic.

    The 2002 Mountaineer by the way appears to be selling extremely well with November sales up 89% over last year.
  • diploiddiploid Posts: 2,286
    "The 2002 Mountaineer by the way appears to be selling extremely well with November sales up 89% over last year."

    As it should! It's actually quite a good looking vehicle, but so is the new Explorer. And with seating for 7 (standard), it appeals to a lot of people.

    greg- thanks for the clarification. But why did they do it?
  • marsha7marsha7 Posts: 3,676
    nice if the Explorer/Moun/Aviator offered a floor shifter as an option, rather than just a column shift...Sable/Taurus offers both, why not the SUVs...and I happen to enjoy floor shifters...
  • karzzkarzz Posts: 151
    I think Lincoln is listening to you Marsha7, I just happened to be flipping thru Popular Mechanics today and it mentioned that the Aviator may have a floor mounted shifter,......and a different instrument panel then the Explorer, and of course the 32V V8.
  • nextmoonnextmoon Posts: 386
    The exterior styling of the new Aviator is going to be very similiar to the Lincoln LS front morphed on a SUV. Same looking headlights with that clear glass and dark painted headlights.
  • audia8qaudia8q Posts: 3,138
    I have seen the Aviator. not lucky enought to drive it.

    the interior is very high tech looking...lots of brushed alum and a floor shifter...it is very impressive and clearly not like an explorer.
    The exterior clearly has Explorer/mountaneer lines but different enough to stand out...

    I will try to upload the pics I expect to get in a few days.

    Rich
  • marsha7marsha7 Posts: 3,676
    Hopefully some interior shots will be available.. I have altered my opinion of my friend's explorer, when I rode in his new 2002 after he traded in his 1998...the 2002 rides like a dream, which shocked me...however, being anal like I am, I am not a fan of columns, I really like floor shifters, like in my Sable...a floor shifter in an "explorer" would be an improvement...any idea which engine the Aviator will have???
  • audia8qaudia8q Posts: 3,138
    The Aviator is expected to have a floor shift..The unit I saw had one. The engine is the 4.6 V8. I have not heard the Horsepower numbers yet. I'll keep you posted.

    I agree that the 2002 Explorer/Mountaneer is a huge improvement over last year. I can't think of any SUV that is nicer to drive than the V8 Mountaneer...I hope the Aviator even takes this to the next level..

    Rich
  • karzzkarzz Posts: 151
    Everything I have read about the Aviator says the engine will be the the 4 Cam, 32 Valve 4.6L V-8, not the regular 4.6L from the Explorer.
  • Rich, I d be interested in seeing any pictures available on the Aviator. Did you see a Navigation screen? As you said there was a lot of
    brushed aluminum,it leads me to believe that there was no wood trim fake or real in the interior. Any more information would be appreciated.

    mike
  • marsha7marsha7 Posts: 3,676
    what does that 4.6L dual cam engine put out now, in HP and torque...which vehicles currently have that engine???
  • haironghairong Posts: 153
    marsha7,

    The 32V 4.6L has been used in several Ford/Lincoln cars: SVT Mustang, 305-320HP, Continental, 265-280HP, and Mark VIII, 290-300HP. A very good car engine. Aviator will be its first application in a truck. I would expect it to deliver more than 270HP (GM's 4.2L I6 of the Blazer), but less than 300HP, (making it lower than the 320HP of Navigator's 5.4L V8). As of Torque, I am guessing it will be close to 300 lbft, if not over. If these figures are true, it will be a class leading engine for sure. Otherwise, there is just no point to put it in the Aviator at all, IMHO.
  • karzzkarzz Posts: 151
    I agree with Hairong's assessment of the 32v 4.6L.

    Since this will be a SUV application of the 4.6L, I expect the engineers will trade some peak HP for a flatter torque curve for better towing capabilities, etc.

    So if I had to guess I would say that the HP will be around the 280-290 range and torque around 300 lb-ft. The engine could easily do more than that (like in the Cobra) but I think they will tune the engine for peak power at lower RPMs, something more suitable for an SUV.

    I wonder if the engine will be teamed with the 5 speed automatic. That engine with a 5 speed auto would be quite a combination.
  • haironghairong Posts: 153
    As a side note,

    BMW X5 4.4's engine is rated as 282 HP & 324 lb-ft
    Mecedes ML430's is rated as 268 HP & 288 lb-ft

    I think these are on par with what Aviator will be offering. But these two are selling around $45k, I don't know if Aviator will compete with them directly.

    From what I've heard so far, everyone is saying, including PAG chief Dr. Reitzle, that the Aviator has a fantastic modern interior. I just hope its exterior styling is as good, and different from Explorer and Moutaineer.
  • karzzkarzz Posts: 151
    The Wall Street Journal had an article on luxury SUVs 3 weeks ago. In that article an auto analyst was quoted as saying the new '03 Navigator has the best designed and highest quality interior of any vehicle in North America. Sounds like the Aviator will also have an impressive interior.
  • nextmoonnextmoon Posts: 386
    A clear pic of the front view of the Aviator is posted in Feb. issue of Car and Driver. Looks very similar to the Navigator.
  • karzzkarzz Posts: 151
    I noticed the '03 Navigator has moved the shift lever to the center console. Popular Mechanics said the Aviator will also have a floor shifter.


    Here is a link to info on the new ;03 Navigator. It might offer some clues to what the Aviator will be like.


    http://media.ford.com/products/presskit_display.cfm?vehicle_id=559&press_subsection_id=421&make_id=93

  • audia8qaudia8q Posts: 3,138
    a few pictures of the aviator next week to upload...exterior shot and interior photo.
    my Lincoln/Merc rep is on vacation and she has the pics.

    Rich
  • cant wait to see some pics of the aviator..thanks guys
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  • audia8qaudia8q Posts: 3,138
    The latest Job 1 info on the Aviator...

    June 3 2002 the first production unit rolls off the line...Expect a 30-45 day quality hold before shipping to dealers.

    The interior photo's I have did not come out well...but those of you who have seen pics of the 2003 Navigator interior will find the Aviator very very similar!!

    Rich
  • thanks for the information about the aviator

    does anyone know if dvd and/or naviagtion will be offered?
  • Thanks Rich,

    I looked at pictures of the 2003 navigator at velocityjrnl.com and got a great idea of what you meant..
  • haironghairong Posts: 153
    Found some info on Aviator:

    Engine: 32v V8, 300HP/300l.f
    Tranny: 5 spd. auto
    Tire: 17" std
    Axle Ratio: 3.73
    Average MPG: ~18MPG

    Still no picture yet.
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