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The standard options were floor mats, moonroof, first aid kit, cargo net, and dealer installed alarm.
The out-the-door price was $21800, that is with taxes and licensing, etc.
"They claim the Camry's are such a good deal, this all I can get for the HL." Camry's are a good deal right now and most dealers seem to be cutting to the bone to sell them. I am sure there is not much profit on just selling the new camry. Seems the dealer is trying to make up a little profit on your trade. Have you thought of selling the HL yourself or maybe selling it to Carmax if you ahve one in your area?
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Mackabee
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Mackabee
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Mackabee
By the way, I have contacted more than 10 dealers in chicago area. The lowest quote is from Schaumburger Toyota, which is the biggest dealer in midwest region (as they claim).
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Mackabee
4 cycl LE with roof and floor mat. and power drive seat.
Have you heard anything to confirm or deny this? For me, it may make the difference of springing for an 03 or waiting for the 04 models. Thanks!
--18fan
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Sorry for the confusion!
There are lots of "Prices Paid" discussions linked here now... Check out the link Karen provided to see all of them in their actual "home".
my dealer is getting the car from another dealer because he doesn't have the one I want in stock. How much fee should I allow for this service?
price quoted is $1,100 over TMV (XLE V6) assuming no holdback allowance and only $800 cash to customer applies. Sound reasonable?
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Mackabee
Please do keep us posted. You have provided great info in the past re: Toyota products. Thanks!
~alpha
ABS is standard on LE V6, SE V6, and XLE
Nothing else too earth shattering, besides:
New Limited Edition in Crystal White
The 3.3 V6 in the SE
Wow! The 3.3L will be in the SE V6- awesome!
Thanks for the info!
--18fan
Its two different approaches, and I really am not sure which one is better. Feature wise, the Accord and Camry line up like this, IMO
Accord DX- No Camry Equivalent, there is no stripper Camry
Accord LX- Camry LE. Equipment is pretty similar, Accord gives you ABS std, but you cant get some Camry features, like power drivers seat, 60/40 split rear, or options, like moonroof.
Accord LXV6 - Camry LE V6
Accord EX/EX-L- I personally feel these match up with the SE grade Camry, except you wont be able to get auto climate control in the Camry. OTOH, may see the XLE 4 as a match for the Accord EX models, but I personally feel the XLE 4 is terribly equipped at its price point (no alloys, no moonroof, etc.), and would buy an Accord EX over it anyday.
Accord EX V6-Camry SE V6. Again, I'd skip the XLE V6 Camry, as it is about 2k more than its Accord equiv. The SE V6 Camry, now with the 3.3L, IMO is more closely aligned with this Accord.
Bottom Line: The low and mid grade Camrys align well in terms of price and equipment with their equivalent Accords, but XLE V6 Camrys offer less value when comparable equipped.
~alpha
PS- of course, selling price and MSRP are two different stories.
northwestern: credit unions seem to have great rates. I just got a flier today with a 3.6% offer. You don't always have to be a government worker to join credit unions either.
I looked at the accord through paper stats, photos and parking lot looks at new accords. I eliminated it without even going to look at it or test drive it. Even before I drove the camry xle, I was 90% sure it was what I was looking for. After I drove it I was 110% sure.
This is just my personal take, but based on the points you brought up above, I do not care for a sunroof, I do like the wood trim ( which I think is done more tasefully in the camry than the accord), I do like a better stereo ( the accord only has the same base unit in all models), and the coup de grace for me, the camry appears and feels more roomy to me and seems to be a much bigger car than the accord.
The accord is a great car too and I am not knocking it, but for my goals, the camry xle fit best. I wanted entry level luxury ( I have had two friends comment seperately that they felt like they were in a lexus (I have the premium pkg w/leather seats)), large roomy interior, large trunk, above average stereo, lots of extras, like auto climate, DRL, electrochromatic mirror, rear seat ducts, etc, and reliablity. I did not like the ride or the interior look of the SE and I could not equip an LE with all of the features that the XLE offers, that i wanted.
And as you stated above, selling price is what matters. I got an xle 4 cyl with side air bags, premium pkg (leather,alloys), heated seats, and floor mat set for around $21,700 plus $399 doc fee plus TTL. (around $300 les than edmunds invoice price with no TDA or SET fees). OTD was $23,500 minus a $1000 rebate so final OTD was $22,500. I am not sure what EX-L accords go for but I would think this much or maybe a little less.
Another note on pricing. I agree with you that the V6 models are overpriced, especially in the XLE line. I guess because of supply and demand. In my area the V6 added about $2000 over the 4 cyl on the XLE, on paper. Of course you get the sunroof std (which I did not care for)but that is a $700 option, so i guess you could say the engine added $1300. I probably would have gotten the V6 if it were only $1300 more and I could drop the sunroof. But because of supply and demand you could get an extra $900 below toyota invoice on a 4 cyl camry in my area. Basically 4 cyl camrys were selling $900 below toyota invoice and V6's were selling at toyota invoice. So in effect it would have cost me the $2000 paper difference for the V6 and the sunroof and I would have lost the extra $900 dues to supply and demand so the net effect was that the XLE V6 would have cost me $3000 more than the 4 cyl and I would have gotten a sunroof that I did not want. So I went with the 4 cyl and saved a bundle. I am very pleased with the 4 cyl so far and it is fine for my driving habits.
As a slight clarification, I do not think that V6s are overpriced across the line, it just seems that compared to the Accord, the XLE V6 is overpriced.
I really hope Toyota holds the line on pricing the 04 SE V6, with its 225hp/240lb ft. 3.3L unit.
(The LE and XLE V6 models with continue with the 210hp/220lb ft. 3 litre mill)
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I never have liked a sunroof. In my area, the SE, there are only a few weeks in the spring and a few weeks in the fall when the weather is nice enough to use it. Other times it is too hot or too cold, to me. If the sunroof was $200 I would not sweat having one, but to add $700 to $1000 for an option i am not crazy about and would only use like 8 times a year seems a waste of money to me. I would much rather spend that money on options that I will use everyday, like an upgraded stereo, etc.
Sorry about the misqoute of you on the V6's. I interpreted what you said above wrong. I agree with you that I think the biggest price difference comes into play on the XLE.
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Mackabee
northwestern---you can check rates on bankrate.com for online lenders, etc. Or check with a local CU if you have one available. The dealer should be able to get you a really low rate also, with the score you have. I was originally going to use my CU, they had rates of 2.9 for 48 months and 3.9 for 60 months. But the dealer said he could get me 2.9 for 60 months so i went with him. i think anything in this ballpark is reasonable for you. If the dealer says 6.9 for 60 months, I would look elsewhere, but 3-4.5% for 60 months sounds reasonable.