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Diesel engines, which is better: Ford, Dodge, Chevy

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  • mullins87mullins87 Posts: 959
    I'm glad to hear that I'm not the only one who can't synchro-shift that thing. I can do it, but I either have to be absolutely perfect or the shift is extremely rough! Finally I just gave up and use the clutch.
  • bigfurbigfur Posts: 649
    I know from like 00-02 the six speed on Rams was for the HO cummins option. those are more the trucks im looking at.
  • sawdinsawdin Posts: 5
    Help,

    I need to get a new vehicle in the next six months or so. I am considering a 3/4 ton diesel. It will only have to pull a 2-horse trailer for the next year or so (5500lbs total) 4-6 times/month between May and October on mainly short hauls of less than 60 miles. I live in Maine, so it is not totally flat. But then I might get a 4-horse and be up around 9-12K lbs depending on the configuration). What are the advantages of the diesel? Disadvantages? Does it only make sense to pay extra for the diesel if you haul all the time or plan to run the truck into the ground and keep it forever?

    TIA for any and all suggestions,

    Dino
  • mullins87mullins87 Posts: 959
    I would say it all depends on how long you will keep the truck and how many miles you will put on it. I'm a Ford guy, so I'll use the F-250 as an example. It will pull the 12k pound trailer no problem, so that's no issue. Ford has a V-10 gasser that is nearly equal to the PSD in terms of torque, so that is no issue.

    The advantages of the PSD: durability, longevity. The disadvantages: the oil changes will cost you about $35 for the oil and filter, 15 quarts of oil! Plus there are other maintenance items as the fuel filter, air filter, coolant additives, I'm sure I have left something out.

    Depending on fuel prices and your fuel mileage, seems the break even point on a diesel purchase is around 100k miles. Remember, that diesel option will set you back about $4,500 up front, you get that back in fuel mileage savings over the gasser. Figure around 18 mpg empty with the diesel and around 13 mpg with the V-10.

    I have a '99 F-350 dually PSD. First off, I love diesels, so my decision was as much a love affair as it was what I "needed". I could have gotten by with the V-10 very easily considering what I pull. But, the deciding factor for me was the longevity issue. With the mileage I drive, my truck will have approximately 300k miles before I can get another one. I don't expect any gasser to make it that far, although it has been done. My annual fuel bill has dropped a little over $1,000 since I bought the PSD. My truck has over 100k on it so far, so I am almost to the break even point on my truck. This winter the diesel option will have paid for itself.

    If you are going to put 75k miles on it, then trade it in, I'd say get the V-10. But, if you are going to put LOTS AND LOTS of miles on it, get the diesel.
  • stampboystampboy Posts: 3
    I have owned Powerstroke and loved it. Now however I need a used dually and would prefer a 4x4 to offset the negatives of a dually during the North Dakota winters. Ford did not make their duallies with 4WD untill 1999. "99" is too new for my budget. Duallies in our area are scarce at best. I have found a "93" 3500 Chevy but it has the 6.5 ltr. diesel. I will say it has had only one owner for all 127,00 miles. It is also obvious he took extemely good care of the vehicle the whole time. IS A 93 CHEVY 3500 (CREWCAB/DUALLY) WITH A 6.5 DIESEL A MISTAKE? PLEASE ADVISE!!! Thanks for the input.
  • mullins87mullins87 Posts: 959
    I'd say it depends on the price, around here the Chevy 6.5 will sell for about half what a similar Powerstroke sells for. As far as the 4x4 Ford dually goes, there are several pre-99's around here. Maybe they are SRW conversions, but I don't think so.
  • bigfurbigfur Posts: 649
    No in Minnesota i have seen quite a few pre-99 duallys. if your interested i can give you a website that has some good ones in the cities here stampboy
  • tim6392tim6392 Posts: 1
    I have a compact pickup now BIG MISTAKE.
    I am looking to buy a used 94-98 fullsize truck,ext. cab or quad.( need room for a car seat and work stuff) I have a "99" with 115,000 miles on it. I don't do any towing. But i do need a truck that i can be comfortable in and that will last, i'm very good at maint. scheds. What would be better a gas truck or diesel? I was thinking about a 6 cylinder diesel because i don't tow , just a 165 mile r/t commute to work 6 days a week any info would be helpful
  • stampboystampboy Posts: 3
    We have Ford dullies here in North Dakota that are pre '99 but all are conversions. The factory OEM 4x4 duallies do not exist before the body style was changed in '99. Edmunds used vehicle search will substantiate that fact. I briefly considered converting my '94 F350 but it takes a lot of changes, and then I was not sure of what I would have. I even found a dually box to help with the change over. However I was warned that other things would not be up to spec. My real GAWR would not be changed because of other limitations. For example, my braking capacity would not necessarily be sufficient. I haul a 4200 lb. (before water, provisions, etc) slide-in truck camper in the box, and my SRW F350 has blown several tires for good reason. They weren't designed for a load of 8000 pounds on that axle. (only 6084 lbs.) This draws me to an OEM dually and Ford doesn't have any factory dually old enough for my budget.
  • akjbmwakjbmw Posts: 231
    stampboy
    I remember seeing a "conversion" kit in the JCWhitney magazines that looked to be a spacer and bolt extensions to attach another standard rim outside the existing rim.
    It may have been totally cosmetic. I don't remember if there were claims of effective load distribution across the extra tires.
    There are 4x4 shops here in Northern Nevada that can set up just about anything you want. Must be some there too. Keeping the 4X4 gear ratios correct for the front to back is just part of the deal.
    Cost vs safety. Blowing tires can't be very safe.
    Good luck.
  • mesazonemesazone Posts: 51
    To get this back onto Diesel engines...

    Over the weekend, I got into a conversation with a friend about the Cummings Diesel. He claims that Ford told Dodge to take a flying leap and they can't use the Cummings anymore. I recall hearing something about how Ford has ties to the Cummings but use Navistar. My friend further claims that Ford's new Diesel will be the Cummings. That's not what I've heard here. I heard here that Ford is staying with Navistar but haven't heard about Ford pulling the Cummings from Dodge.

    Anyone who can confirm/deny any of these?
  • mullins87mullins87 Posts: 959
    I've been told that Ford has ownership in/of Cummins also, but I don't know if that is fact. I have not heard anything about Ford leaving the Navistar for the Cummins.
  • mullins87mullins87 Posts: 959
    I do know for a fact that Ford made the dually before the '99 model year, I almost bought a '96. I thought the question you were asking was if they made the dually in 4x4 trim. I have seen several of them, but like I said, maybe they were 4x4 SRW converted to 4x4 DRW. I don't think so, but I cannot say with 100% certainty.

    But, they DID make the DRW before '99.

    BTW: I like this site, but I have found many holes in the information on this site, especially when it comes to diesels.
  • lariat1lariat1 Posts: 461
    Ford made the DRW 4x4 in only standard and crew cab configurations but not the supercab, but I think that changed with the superduties.
  • loncrayloncray Posts: 301
    I've seen this pop up again and again - here's the straight deal:
    Ford used to own less than 10% of Cummins' stock but now owns none. Cummins is independent. They have a contract with Dodge that expires in 2007. I believe you can get a Cummins engine in a Ford truck, but only in F450/550/650 etc.
  • mesazonemesazone Posts: 51
    Thanks for the information. I'll have to pass that onto my friend who thinks he knows everything.

    Paul
  • rageeragee Posts: 9
    I have heard that Ford has a contract with navistar that doesn't end till 2010, and the reason you cannot get a cummins in any other truck except for say the chevy topkick, or the F650/750 is the fact that one of the stipulations dodge gave cummins was that they would have control and only cummins would be placed in dodge trucks. So up to the F-550 you can only get a PSD. Go to the commercial website and look at the engine options.... After that like on a F650 you have to have a CDL due to the I think 33,000 pound gross weight. I cannot remember if that is for the 650 or 750, but once you get up into those trucks I would rather have the CAT 3126B with 950ft/lbs off the flywheel and 300 hp. teamed with like a seven speed MT or Eaton tranny. If anyone has any other info in case I have heard things wrong, please post to correct me...

    I have been out of the loop for a long time and I have been trying to catch up on some of the posts but not all. I have been reading some of the posts on auto tranny's and I have to tell you that for a light truck a manual is the way to go, and I just purchased a new Mack vision and instead of swapin holes all the time, I opted for the AUTO yeah I said AUTO tranny. The only catch to the auto tranny in my new rig is that I still have a clutch but I don't have to switch gears. It is used for starting and stopping only after that the computer does all of the shifting for me. It has been doing great, and to talk about fuel economy, I normally only get around 6.4 mpg in my E7-460 Mack.....that is a far cry from my PSD...... but then again I can hook up a 50ft drop deck and go to town loading it down with whatever my farm needs hauled around.....

    Rob
  • bigfurbigfur Posts: 649
    Kinda like the Pete i use at work with the 550hp cat and fuller 8sp manual. but thats me, i enjoy throwin gears
  • natescapenatescape Posts: 176
    Hi all. Just a diesel enthusiast swinging by. I drive a 1996 VW Passat TDI (diesel). I keep my eye here because I'm going to be in the market for a 6-passenger diesel in a few years (be it a minivan, full-sized van, or SUV).


    I had a couple of things to add.


    Don't be at all surprised if/when Dodge drops Cummins after the contract is up. As part of Daimler Chrysler, they might just switch over to a Mercedes diesel engine like the one used in the Freightliner Sprinter (which is MB everywhere but the badging).


    Diesels have a gigantic advantage over gasoline: they can run on renewable fuel. Just run it on biodiesel instead of petroleum diesel. Biodiesel is made from vegetable oil (usually soy in the US). It keeps your fuel dollars at home instead of sending them abroad. It burns quite clean. It has higher cetane (minimum 50... depends on the base oil), and massively higher lubricity. It virtually eliminates smoke. And best of all, it makes your exaust smell like popcorn. ;)


    I put up a page about it here -

    http://www.biodieselnow.com

    The page is car-oriented, but applies to trucks too.

  • tbunder1tbunder1 Posts: 257
    just check out this article:


    http://www.pickuptruck.com/html/2003/ford/superduty/first_drive/page1.html


    the new ford 6.0 power-stroke embarrasses the gm and dodge. HO or not for dodge, the PS kills it in performance.

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