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Saturn ION

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  • hpulley4hpulley4 Posts: 591
    I hope that marshmallow steering wheel is just a temporary pre-release stand-in. I'll have to try the centre mounted instruments to see if I like them but overall, I'm fairly well impressed with it.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    Unfortunately there is no sedan pictures yet, just the quad coupe.

    The steering wheel is kind of silly looking, but otherwise the dash and the car look great!
  • teoteo Posts: 2,508
    The car looks very nice. But the interior quality at least for what I can see appears to be marred by cheap plastics. I am not a fan of the Toyota Echo styled dashboard as I hate the vast empty dash space left in front of the steering wheel. Those center stacked instruments take some getting used to in that location. The steering wheel is aweful, looks like a squashed marshmellow.

    I truly and sincerely hope the interior of this car looks and feels better in person.

    The exterior is clean and nice, nothing too special about it. It does look better than the non descript Saturn SL sedan/coupe it replaces.

    I hope the sedan looks better in terms of interior, oh and that aweful steering wheel!

    The more I look at the ION, the more I like the 2004 Chevy Malibu/Vectra. That car has some GERMAN class!!!
  • machiavellimachiavelli Posts: 260
    Where are you seeing the picture? When I follow the link posted in #30, I don't get any Saturn pictures? Help
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    I rented an Echo the other day when my car was in the shop, and I have to admit I kept looking in front of the wheel to see the gauges and they were not there. It wasn't any further out of my way to see the center pod, just a little weird at first. :)
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    The pic of that steering wheel reminds me of the steering wheels they use on the go-carts at the fair. That's the same thing with the L Series, a big ugly steering wheel. Yuck, I hope they change it before the car goes on sale!
  • hpulley4hpulley4 Posts: 591
    I think my LW200's wheel is fine. I like where the cruise-control buttons are located, as opposed to the ones in those ION pictures, or the strange lever on the back of the Vibe's wheel.

    I might prefer a 4-spoke wheel like the one in my Metro but the 2-spoke wheel isn't that bad.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    There are links to scanned in pictures in the posts below. They aren't great pictures, but they are the best I've seen so far.

    The wheel is the only bad spot I see so far. The exterior of the car is a big improvement and I really like it. Hopefully the sedan will be just as attractive.
  • lngtonge18lngtonge18 Posts: 2,228
    Didn't Saturn learn anything from the uproar over the Echo's terrible interior design? What were they thinking? I give them credit for at least offering a full instrument display, but that center location just has to go! The rest of the center console design looks like a huge improvement. The interior would have looked nice if the stupid gauges were directly in front of me where they should be. I don't want to have to turn my head to the side to watch my tachometer. It's much easier and more natural to glance down. Oh, and I agree the steering wheel looks plain goofy. The exterior is reasonably nice, if bland and nondescript. I don't like the quad door C pillar styling though. That extra cut line at the back of the rear side window really breaks up the smooth flow of the lines and makes it look stupid. It would look so much better and more natural if the window ended with the curve of the pillar. In fact, just axe the quad door completely. If you need easy entry and exit, get the sedan. Those rear doors make the back seat more cramped feeling due to losses in shoulder and thigh room. Overall, the Ion coupe was a disappointment for me. Nothing really stands out on the car and there are too many turn-offs in its styling cues to make it a worthwhile buy. Saturn had a chance to jump to the front of the pack, but instead, they decided to simply catch up to the back of the pack. Hopefully, the sedan looks better, but that interior would keep me from buying it regardless.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    The steering wheel is my big beef, but that may be changed.

    The center gauges are ok with me. I think you would just get used to them after a while.

    Looking forward to seeing the sedan this week. Anyone know which day the ION is being introduced?
  • teoteo Posts: 2,508
    Actually I am looking forward to the Chevy Astra (Cavalier replacement). I suspect it will look even better than the Saturn ION.

    Saturn looks just don't impress me.
  • hpulley4hpulley4 Posts: 591
    So this Friday.

    BTW, the Chevy Astra thing is off. Opel decided to go with the Fiat platform instead of Delta so I think it may be more of Chevy ION. Just rumours of course...
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    teo : don't like Saturn looks? shocker coming from you! ;-)

    hpulley : Good Friday?
  • hpulley4hpulley4 Posts: 591
    I agree, Good Friday would have been kind of strange. Go to http://www.2003saturnion.com/ and it now says March 27th.
  • There is NO way I would drive a car with a steering wheel like that. Other than that what I have seen does not impress me either.
  • tazerelitazereli Posts: 241
    Is it me or should there be Staypufft markings on that steering wheel?
  • nwngnwng Posts: 664
    it is really too bad the material used in the center console is still "Tonka grade" and in same color but different shades. I always wonder how much more it would cost to manufacture a dash/console with a material one level higher than the "Tonka grade" seen in so many cars.
  • regfootballregfootball Posts: 2,166
    enough so the GM exec's won't get their stock bonuses I'm guessing.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    Small picture one auto.com


    http://www.auto.com/

  • machiavellimachiavelli Posts: 260
    Looks pretty nice! When I go to the http://www.2003saturnion.com site, it says pictures will be available on 3/27, but none are yet? It's about 9:20am EST 3/37/02 and no pictures yet?
  • teoteo Posts: 2,508
    I really like it! The sedan has strong Nissan Altima cues specially in the back, minus the boy racer taillights. It gets my thumbs up!

    Dislikes:

    The Echo dashboard and the aweful steering wheel.

    the front end looks kinda simplistic too.

    But at this point anyhting is better over the ancient S Series!

    I'll take the sedan, of course,

    Oh why nail braker door handles instead of safer door bars?????
  • machiavellimachiavelli Posts: 260
    Looks nice, other than the big, ugly steering wheel! I like the exterior design!
  • hpulley4hpulley4 Posts: 591
    My big complaint is the length. 185"! Just 5" shorter than the L-series. I wonder how they will differentiate the ION sedan from the L200 (no 2003 L100). Same engine, just a bit smaller, hmm, though the L200 comes with 4-wheel disks, fully independent suspension, etc.

    I'm looking for a small commuter car replacement, not a car almost as big as the L-series. So much for Saturn's new 'small' car...
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    Aside from the steering wheel I like the car. I think the exterior looks great.

    Saturn certainly will have a decent line up come the fall/winter.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    All "small cars" have gotten bigger lately. Look at the new Civic and Corolla. The Ecotec is a great addition and the car will now have class leading power. Not going to miss those old Saturn engines at all.
  • teoteo Posts: 2,508
    The headlights are ugly and non-jeweled. The interior is a toss up. Looks cheapy to me. Lutz, what's going on with the interior of this car????

    I have a feeling the Delta Platform Cavalier replacement will look much nicer. I honestly can't stand the cheap looking Toyota Echo interior and the aweful steering wheel.
  • hpulley4hpulley4 Posts: 591
    I know cars are tending to get bigger, look at Nissan's Altima now bigger than the L-series and the Sentra isn't that small either (I remember when it used to be an econohatch car). Still, that's not what I'm looking for so I won't have to wait for it to see if I can stand the funky centre-mounted IP or not.

    I don't know if 137hp is going to give it class-leading HP either; guess it depends on the class. Sentra and Impreza both have a peppy 2.5L 4-banger, etc.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    Maybe not class leading, but certainly better than most.

    Why would you not want a little more space in a compact car providing the economy was as good? In my view the trend to slightly larger is a good thing as I find some older models to be a little tight. The s-series was one of the worst.

    Still nothing at www.2003ion.com
  • teoteo Posts: 2,508
    The ION is indeed a huge improvement over the S-series. The car looks generally nice and has a really balanced angular look to it. At least the generic Jelly bean looks are history.

    My Beef with Saturns is that they tend to look cheap no matter how nice the shape might be. Perhaps pictures don't do much justice to it, but man those door handles look cheap, the front end headlights look bargain basement and the interior is questionable.

    Judging by the Saturn VUE and now the ION, it appears to be that Saturn's customer base doesn't seem to demand much in terms of world class looks and quality of materials.

    I hope at the very least this car is capable of delivering superior safety and a rewarding driving experience.

    Still think the Chevy version will be much better and devoid of the Mickey Mouse/Toyota Echo interior design/materials touches.
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