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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    from Marine's add-on list:

    2 115 power outlets - Sienna has this

    plus power converter - what does this mean exactly? :confuse:

    blue tooth U connect - Sienna just got this, too

    third row vents in ceiling to control air flow - don't all vans have this?

    second row heated seats - I'm not sure about this one, this may indeed be unique

    halo lighting - I listed that (LED lighting)

    Able to view movies up to front dash screen when van is stopped - Most NAV equipped cars can do this, though I'm not sure because I didn't get that option

    Offers two different rides. Softer on Chrysler, stiffer on Dodge. - not sure if that's really a feature, but it's useful to know, I suppose.

    Voice recognition on the NAV - pretty sure Honda has it

    3rd row split bench seat that can tailgate - Sienna can, Ody cannot

    It's important to note that while you can put the Ody's 3rd row in that tailgating position, it will not hold, i.e. the seat will collapse in on itself. This is dangerous so please do not try this by seating your kids there, it's not meant to handle the weight! :surprise:
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Let's see...

    Honda has the largest screen for the NAVI - aren't they all about 7" nowadays? Some may be 6.5", I'm not sure.

    Ody does have 8 seat belts, even if the 8th seat isn't comfy for a long trip, it can handle an 8th passenger, at least. Should we give it half credit? ;)

    roll down the windows remotely using the key fob - not sure if the others have this. I do open the doors remotely to cool off the interior, so I can see the use for it.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I will bet you they'll come down on the price of the Chrysler where they probably won't on the Sienna. In the end, you'll get more on the Chrysler and pay less.

    I'm gonna cut you some slack here because you did say they will come down in price, future tense, but that's not the case as of yet:

    Fitmall.com's no-haggle price on their most-loaded FWD Sienna XLE Limited: $36,178.

    Same dealer, Town & Country Limited FWD, best equipped model on their lot: $38,580.

    So for now, you can spend about $2400 more at the Chrysler store to get those extras.

    Both are 2008 models, so they probably will come down a bit on the Siennas, actually. 2007 models started with no rebate, but that crept as high as $2000 at the very end of the model year.

    Bottom line: will the Chrysler drop in price by $2400, potentially $4400? Possibly.

    If I were shopping again now, I'd probably wait to see how prices shake out. I bet they will BOTH drop.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    There are NO 2nd row seats with armrests at ANY time in the 8 passenger Sienna BUT the Odyssey has 2nd row armrests for both outside seats when there are not 3 passengers in the 2nd row.

    As an owner of a 7 passenger 2006 Sienna, I do NOT think the 2nd row seats of the Sienna are as comfortable as the 2nd row seats of the Odyssey. I would prefer to ride on the 8th seat (middle seat in 2nd row) of the Ody for any distance than to ride in any of the 3 seats of the 2nd row of an 8 passenger Sienna.

    All you have to do is have the 2nd row outer seats of the Ody slid forward or back the same distance and fold the armrest up even with the seat back.

    To be fair, the Sienna does have the MOST cargo space behind the 3rd row of any minivan. :shades:
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I would prefer to ride on the 8th seat (middle seat in 2nd row) of the Ody for any distance than to ride in any of the 3 seats of the 2nd row of an 8 passenger Sienna

    I could not disagree more.

    All 3 seats are very comfy, 7 of us just drove 3 hours to the beach and eveyrone wanted to sit in those seats to get front row seats to the movie, people were fighting to see who got to sit there!

    I disagree 100%! They are first class seats! :shades:

    I don't get your love/hate, seemingly bi-polar opinions of the Sienna, honestly. You mix in a small complement as if to make your criticism more plausible, why? :confuse:

    The chrome surround for the gauges you mention all the time? Guess what? They're not even chrome. I looked closely. They are black, a bit glossy, but certainly not chrome. My Miata has chrome rings. Neither one bothers me!

    You really gotta get over these little pet peeves you have. Your posts are otherwise informative and useful, but you get so hung up on these pet peeves! :P
  • We have a 2006 T&C Limited. We love it. With 15K miles on it, we have had it in service for airbag light and ABS light coming on during travel, was a bad sensor, no other issues at all, fixed promptly and one time. Gas mileage on highway is 24-25, fully loaded, have never had worse than 22 mpg showing on the trip computer. DVD system is great with wireless headphones. Stow n Go is why we got it, and we have one 2nd row seat always folded in the floor for dogs, coolers, stuff. We are kidless and in our 40's. We shopped all mini-vans, thoroughly, but the stow n go was the feature that made it so much more flexible and met our needs. Got it for 32K, list was almost 38K. Radio with Nav is complicated, never have even used the Nav system. A/C is the best ever, front and back. Love the radio controls on steering wheel, as the radio buttons' print is so small. Ride is very good, not that super quiet, but definitely better than most cars. Power tailgate, leather, rear back up sensors are great. Our first Chrysler, the quality on the Limited is above average and it has served us well. Hope this helps!
  • Honda has the largest screen for the NAVI - aren't they all about 7" nowadays? Some may be 6.5", I'm not sure.

    Ody does have 8 seat belts, even if the 8th seat isn't comfy for a long trip, it can handle an 8th passenger, at least. Should we give it half credit?

    roll down the windows remotely using the key fob - not sure if the others have this. I do open the doors remotely to cool off the interior, so I can see the use for it.


    I think the Honda has an 8 inch screen.

    Half credit for the half-size seat sounds fair,

    and the bonus about opening the windows is that you can immediately lock the car back, setting the alarm should someone try to get in your car. With your doors open, anyone can climb on in and quietly take your things. Not a huge deal, but here in Alabama, where we just had a record-hot-August with 104 degrees being the norm, its worthwhile.
  • You really gotta get over these little pet peeves you have. Your posts are otherwise informative and useful, but you get so hung up on these pet peeves!

    Well, no he doesn't! :P It's the little things that can cause people to love or hate their car. Sharing these feelings with other readers can help them discern what things that should look for in a test drive that might otherwise be missed. Chances are, if something bothers someone, they aren't the only one it will bother.
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    8 inch screen.

    Waaahhhhhhh mommy, I need the 8" screen Waaahhhhhhh :(~~~
  • LOL... well if we're being nit-picky we want the best!

    Here's Edmunds' take on things.

    Battle for the Best Minivan: Dodge vs. Honda

    I won't spoil the ending for those who haven't read this yet. They do note that the Dodge is the new hot-rod of the minivan field, with Honda having superior dynamics.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    An 8 inch NAV screen would be boss. That's awesome.

    I went aftermarket for the DVD player because we wanted a big screen - 12.1" means everyone can see it. :shades:

    Here's a question - do any of these vans have a one-button, close all windows (including moonroof)? That would be useful. Close EVERYTHING. All windows, moonroof, and lock the doors. Put that on the wish list.

    -juice
  • Here's a question - do any of these vans have a one-button, close all windows (including moonroof)? That would be useful. Close EVERYTHING. All windows, moonroof, and lock the doors. Put that on the wish list.

    Insert your key in the door lock on the outside, turn it left, then turn it left again and hold. The roof stays open (if equipped, my aunt's is cloth-equipped - no roof to close), but the windows go up, the doors lock, and the alarm is armed, in the Odyssey (and my Accord as well). It's CLOSE. :)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    It's the little things that can cause people to love or hate their car

    Valid point, but the glare he complains about from chrome rings (which aren't even chrome in the first place) are on a van he doesn't have. He took one test drive (I suppose) and concludes that's a deal killer. How long did he spend in that van, honestly? A few minutes at most?

    He even admitted that the issue with the 8 seater comfort was something personal, i.e. we are all shaped differently. Surely these seats are better than the miniature Stow-N-Go seats Dodge uses, for instance.

    Then he complains about resale on an ALG rated 5 star minivan, and says he's going to buy a Dodge, rated 1 star for residuals, worst possible. That simply makes no sense! He paid too much for his new van, that's all. Shoppers come to this thread and should know they don't have to make the same mistake, yet you read his comments and assume resale is poor (5 stars is poor?).

    The fact that there is one vocal unhappy Sienna owner makes him the exception that proves the rule. The Sienna threads are full of happy owners and his views are simply not representative of the typical Sienna owner.

    Remember, 79% would buy another Sienna if they could do it over. 21% would not. He's in that minority, 21%. Nothing he says changes the fact that 79% are happy, the most among minivans.

    Sienna owners are happiest overall, period.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Nice, if you have no moonroof then you have no worries.

    Honda should program the roof to close, too.

    We have an aftermarket ASC moonroof that closes when you remove the key, it's very cool. It's actually programmable, too, you can set it so that it stays open if you want it too.
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    That article is as old as my dinosaur!!!
  • Cool, you have a dinosaur?

    ;)

    I honestly didn't know, and I really didn't want to pour through 250 posts to see if it had. Edmunds has it on the front page of the "CAR REVIEWS" sections so it can't be THAT out of date.
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    Boy, just try keep up with us!! ok?
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    Stow n Go is why we got it, and we have one 2nd row seat always folded in the floor for dogs, coolers, stuff. We are kidless and in our 40's. We shopped all mini-vans, thoroughly, but the stow n go was the feature that made it so much more flexible and met our needs.

    Same here. Our kids are grown and gone and we are older. But I also bought my 2005 because of Stow-n-Go and we also keep the one passenger side, second row seat stowed for the same reason. I like putting stuff in the side door much better than the rear, except food. Our dog also likes laying there. When we do carry two, three, or four others, it is so easy to get to the back seat with the one seat stowed.

    Your also right about the A/C. Here in Arizona, it can hit 105-115 for months and the A/C has no problem cooling the whole van. One thing I checked out real good before buying, as my Dodge Dakota did a lousy job of doing it, as it had no recirculating switch on it.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I think the under-floor compartments themselves are more useful than the Stow-n-Go seats, actually.

    They would be great for each kid to have a place to store their toys, a stuffed animal, a spare sweater for when they get cold. You would use that all the time.

    I would not want the miniature seats, but I believe Edmunds said you can get the Swivel-and-Go seats, which are nice captain's chairs, and still get the under floor storage.

    Is that right?

    I do wish my Sienna had more covered storage bins. You can actually get up to 2 consoles, front and middle rows, but the model I got only has the tray.

    I can always buy them from Toyota and snap them in place, but we just slide a shoe box under the tray and put the toys in there.

    Funny thing is vans are almost TOO big, so cargo has to be tied down else it slides around. Covered bins are nice for this reason.
  • I had originally set my heart out on a used Odyssey. In the price range I was looking(around $11-12k), it looks like I'd have to settle on around an '02 with over 100k miles on it.

    I have a co-worker that has asked about my interest in an '05 Grand Caravan with virtually every option out there, including navigation, DVD, etc. It only has 34k miles and has a 100k mile extended warranty. He's asking $18k for it.

    I'm torn-I know my wife would love the stow and go. I'd certainly love buying something that has more bells and whistles that I wouldn't get buying an Odyssey, but I'll also get a vehicle that only has 1/3 to 1/4 of the miles I'd have to get along with the warranty to boot. Buying an Odyssey of similar mileage/options would cost a LOT more.

    What would you do?
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