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Minivans - Domestic or Foreign

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  • jipsterjipster Posts: 5,345
    "1999(?)-2006...MPV"

    The MPV took a one year hiatus in 1999 and returned in 2000 with a total redesign. Much like the Nissan Quest did in 2003.
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,565
    The Nissan Quest second row, strictly speaking does not "fold flat" to the floor, they stick up to some extent. If you are loading a sheet of plywood, it would not rest flat in the Quest.
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    Nice concise list.

    I would only add that the current '05-'06 Honda Odyssey and '04-'06 Toyota Sienna have a 60/40 SPLIT 3rd row rather than a 1 piece seat (Not sure about the DCM vans). This not only makes for more options in the 3rd row but means the seats are lighter and easier to raise/lower than non-split seats.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    The Chrysler vans have the split folding third row in the Stow N Go package.

    The split seat sure aids in flexibility.
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    Thanks; I wasn't sure if they did or not.

    That's interesting. So if you DON'T have the Stow N Go package, does the 3rd row not split (one piece) or not fold flat into the floor?
  • Wow - thanks for all of the info. You guys are all really "in the know" about this stuff. It makes my minivan hunt much easier :)
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    Without Stow'N Go, the 3rd row does NOT fold into the floor. You can buy the GC SE with Stow 'N Go 3rd row and traditional bench 2nd row seat with or without built in child seats. The GC SE with 2nd row bench seat has the 2 large storage compartments in the floor in front of the 2nd row. You can also get a GC SE with 2nd row bucket seats that fold into the floor.
    All Stow 'N Go have 60/40 split fold into the floor 3rd row and ALL are the longer models.
    The Caravan SE has a bench 2nd row and a one piece 3rd row seat while the Caravan SXT has 2nd row bucket seats with a one piece 3rd row bench standard and optional 50/50 split fold and tumble 3rd row bench seat.
    The SWB T&C has 2nd row bench and one piece 3rd row bench seat standard with 2nd row bucket seats optional or another option with bucket seat 2nd row and 50/50 split fold and tumble 3rd row bench seat. NONE of the shorter DC minivans have a fold into the floor 3rd row seating.
    DC minivans offer a wide variety of seating options. ;)
  • deepandeepan Posts: 342
    is the 3rd row on DCX split 50/50 or 60/40
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    ALL Stow 'N Go 3rd row are 60/40 split while the fold and tumble 3rd row in Caravan and SWB T&C are 50/50 split. ;)
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    Stow N Go Models are 60/40.
    Regular models (Non Stow N Go) are 50/50 or 100/0.
  • We're looking to replace our 2000 Grand Caravan and we're so lost in the world of minivans. We haven't been very impressed with the GC but we don't hate it either. Would be nice to have an 8-seater but it's not a must. We have 3 kids (2 in carseats). Would love an Odessey but can't afford it.
    Also, a power sliding door is a must!!
    Any suggestions?

    Thanks,

    Andrea
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    Interestingly, I just priced a 2004 Sienna LE 7, Sienna LE 8, Odd LX, Odd EX, and GC SXT to compare resale at 2 years of age for the 5 minivans I am considering vs the actual cost to buy a 2006 from the local dealers (Color White, Miles 20,000...used values from Edmunds) for each:
    Sienna LE 7: Trade.in $ 18,872 Retail $22,807
    Sienna LE 8: Trade-in $ 19,956 Retail $22,918
    Odyssey LX: Trade-in $ 17,413 Retail $19,961
    Odyssey EX: Trade-in $ 19,276 Retail $22,270
    GC SXT:.......Trade-in $14,600 Retail $17,903
    Cost NEW 2006(MSRP and Actual):
    Sienna LE 7: $26,949 $25,698
    Sienna LE 8: $27,049 $25,793
    Odyssey LX: $25,895 $25,210
    Odyssey EX: $28,945 $28,206
    GC SXT:.......$27,830 $24,400
    Based on these numbers, a 2 year old would cost this much less for each:
    Sienna LE 7: $2,891
    Sienna LE 8: $2,875
    Odyssey LX: $5,249
    Odyssey EX: $5,936
    GC SXT:.......$6,497

    IF you are buying a vehicle just 2 years old, is it worth only $2,875 to get a 2 year old Sienna LE 8 with 20,000 miles on it and much of the factory warranty gone? :confuse:
    On the other hand, you would save $ 6,497 buying a 2 year old GC SXT but still much of the factory warranty would be lost.
    The Odyssey savings would be greater than if you got a Sienna but less than buying a 2 year old Grand Caravan. I got my used 2002 T&C LX from a friend so I paid slightly over wholesale and knew the van's history. I would NEVER buy a used Sienna or Odyssey since buying the new one is more cost efficient. ;) I would NEVER buy a used GC from a dealer as too many have been abused as rental or fleet vehicles. :sick:
  • nwngnwng Posts: 664
    OMG! I pd $26 for my EX, and that is only $1600 more than the SXT? According to your numbers, IF I trade after 2 yrs, I will lost $3k more if i had bought the GC?

    That's like an extra disney vacation for my whole family!
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    May I suggest the Toyota Sienna LE 8 Passenger model? Seems like it has everything you'd like- 8 passenger seating, one power sliding door, and if you get one of the lesser equipped option packages, it would cost less than the Odyssey EX.

    Somne dealerships may still have leftover 2005 models on their lots.
  • ""OMG! I pd $26 for my EX, and that is only $1600 more than the SXT? According to your numbers, IF I trade after 2 yrs, I will lost $3k more if i had bought the GC?

    That's like an extra disney vacation for my whole family! "

    Since I got my 2004 T&C at $9000 under MSRP, including a $6K rebate that was the same on the GC at the time, I'm guessing the GC discount would be more than was listed originally by Hans. More than covering a Disney trip
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    Used minivan pricing was for current trade-in and retail for 2004 models as listed by Edmunds.

    Pricing for NEW 2006 minivans is MSRP and actual prices quoted by local dealers. The MSRP for 2006 minivans is NOT the same as that for the 2004 minivans when they were new. :shades: A 2004 GC SXT had a higher suggested MSRP than the 2006 model has.
  • jipsterjipster Posts: 5,345
    A few months ago someone posted in here about how a manufacturer should build a minivan for people who show dogs. Or, who just like to take their dogs joy riding.
    Well, lady... it appears hades has frozen over. Honda has come out with a concept minivan called the Honda WOW.
    It was unveiled at the recent Tokyo Motor show. The WOW caters to cannines and comes with a built-in crate that folds into the floor. It also has a special seat belt designed for dogs, and even a spot for Spot's bowl.

    The article I read stated it is doubtful the WOW will ever make it past the conception model.
    But, that Honda would even spend money developing something like this shows there must be some interest. Some countries eat their dogs...others chauffeur them around in non bare bones models. :blush:
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    I got this E-Mail from Chrysler today. Sounds like one heck of a deal if they still give you the big discounts.

    http://www.chrysler.com/freedom/?pid=eDirect&adid=CPFTC%2DQ4%5FIncentive&rid=%20
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    I believe you cannot combine that with Chrysler Supplier Pricing, but that you can take all other incentives and unlike Chrysler Supplier Pricing, you can bargain hard and get a good deal.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    Much better than the 2006 warranty of 5 years 60,000 mile. ;)
    Honda was smart to increase the warranty but DaimlerChrysler dropped the 7 year 70,000 mile warranty of the 2005 minivans to 3 year 36,000 mile...but recently was smart enough to increase the warranty to the 5 year 60,000 miles that the Sienna has had for years and the Odyssey now has.
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    From what I can see, you only get the $2500 rebate for a purchase or $3500 for a lease, on top of the new gas/warranty/maintainance. Guess it's not too bad of a deal?

    Did notice for 2006 you can have a sunroof and curtain airbags together. You couldn't for 2005s.
  • I'm considering getting either a sienna or odyssey and I live in new york city. Most of my driving will be in city conditions or on our local highways. I'm wondering if anyone has thoughts on whether I should get AWD or I'm fine with stability control. I generally like to be on the safer side even though I know it will be an extra cost. Any thoughts will be appreciated. Thanks,

    JillNYC
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    I think you should be fine with FWD and a good set of snow tires depending on conditions.
  • jipsterjipster Posts: 5,345
    Well, actually it was one mom. The hostess of a tv show called, The Yummy Mummy. :cry:

    While saying the Sedona felt "sluggish"...she did say it was "fun to drive". Her overall review of the 06 Sedona was positive.
  • macakavamacakava Posts: 775
    Here is the second mom if you missed it.

    "As fate would have it, my friend Helga is in the market for a minivan, so I invited her for a spin. Her initial reaction mirrored mine. A little too slow, too heavy, and too big. Because of the engine size and the weight of the car, we were concerned with the vehicle being a gas guzzler. "

    Spirited, energetic drivers would demand much more...
  • jipsterjipster Posts: 5,345
    Well, that was only one yummy mummies opinion... and her friends. :cry: But, I didn't read that the yummy mummy clocked any 0-60 times? :confuse:

    At 244hp you may find the 2006 Sedona more spirited and energetic than the anemic 230hp(revised) that the Ody has? ;)
  • macakavamacakava Posts: 775
    I will wait for you in your Sedona(when you buy it) at the off-ramp with my Ody to blow your socks off in the corners and straight line. Just tell me the Sedona color and your license plate number.

    You would have the pleasure of smelling hot air as the Ody leaves you disappearing in its rear view mirror.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    has 244 horsepower by the way.

    Still waiting on Nav and parking sonars. Until then, the Sienna Limited tops my list.
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