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Minivans - Domestic or Foreign



  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    "Wow. I am impressed that Odyssey owners now use Motor Trend as THE AUTHORITY .
    I can't wait until another automobile authoritative source like Reader's Digest, Good Housekeeping, and Better Homes and Gardens rate the Odyssey as their first choice."

    How about the as the authority?

    Try it and let us know how the public accepts it. Maybe your local seniors club would support you.

    Keep in mind that MT also picked many stunning COYs....the GM X bodies, The Renault Alliance etc..... With all the Oddy recalls and problems, it appears that MT is keeping their "successful" record going!!!

    FYI Guys - I know some of these guys in these automotive rags and Hans is as much of an authority as some of them!! They're not gods!!!!
  • nwngnwng Posts: 664
    while you're at it, don't forget C&D and good ol!
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    I can't wait until Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity recommend the Odyssey as their choice in minivans. ;)
    Will definitely buy the Odyssey when Art Bell reports that the Aliens have given the Odyssey the "Best Minivan of the Universe" award.
  • jipsterjipster Posts: 5,345
    "Will definitely buy the Odyssey when..."

    Thats right hans...I think the Odyssey is in line for a Nobel Peace Prize. It's awe inspiring beauty... and sporty, spirited ride is starting to spawn world peace. ;)

    What's the latest on the minivan selection process? With your test drives...I guess you're saving the best for last...meaning the Mazda MPV. Once you test drive a ZOOM ZOOM you'll forget all about: the Ody, dual zone climate control, overhead console,bathing etc) The one good piece of advice I got from someone when trying to choose a minivan...was to go with your heart. If it's only 2k or 3k then go with you like best. If it's more than 3k...well, thats a tough one. Good luck though.
  • lastwraithlastwraith Posts: 350
    The opinions on this board are pretty predictable and I would think by now everyone is tired of it all already. marine2 is a die-hard DCX fan, macakava is undeniably Ody, then you have jipster and a few others for the MPV. I don't know about you all but I get it already. Do we really need to go into it all over again every time someone makes a statement worthy of flaming (ie macakava)?

    As for towing, if you are at all worried about older Dodge trannies or the newer "problems" Honda is supposedly having, then choosing either to routinely tow something over 2000lbs is asking for trouble and you should avoid them. If you don't care or are getting something else anyway, be sure to at least have a transmission cooler installed. Just about any minivan you buy is going to be a heavy FWD vehicle. This already stresses the transmission in the form of heat in a confined area. Towing another ton around on a routine basis will surely kill your transmission in short order without an aux transmission cooler. If it already comes with one, that's a bonus.
  • macakavamacakava Posts: 775
    "If it's only 2k or 3k then go with you like best. If it's more than 3k...well, thats a tough one. Good luck though."

    It all depends on your income level(i.e. cars are introduced/made for household income brackets as we all know), and whether the extra dough you pay may force you to eat hot dogs and baked beans daily for the life of your new, more expensive purchase. :)
  • jejorg126jejorg126 Posts: 11
    After much research, I have decided to purchase a 2006 Toyota Sienna. As you would imagine, all of the salespeople are oozing slime trying to push me into purchasing an 05 to help clear out their inventory. Each one I have spoke with has told me the same story---that there will be no changes made to the 06 and that there will be no change in price. IS THIS TRUE?? I find this hard to believe. Regardless, I have decided to wait for the 06 model to decide for myself. One salesperson even told me that the 06 model wouldn't be released until November. Isn't it going to be released in September?

    Anyway, what I really want to know is how the Sienna AWD will perform in the snow. I live in rural Southern Michigan with harsh winters and lots of snow. Will I be happy with a minivan, or should I look instead at an SUV or 4WD?
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    AWD or 4WD is magnificent in the get going. It does not help in stopping. ABS takes care of stopping.
    My FWD Ford F-150 and Blazer AWD seem to be un-stoppable in ordinary snow depths while any of my FWD vehicles have been no better than rear wheel drive. ;)
    Sienna retain resale value very well and have great performance with the current engine. Sure, the new Avalon engine may be desireable for very aggressive drivers, but my T&C LX with much less power than the Sienna has always had more than enough power for my needs.
    Even with the added weight of AWD and power needed to drive all 4 wheels, I think the current Sienna should satisfy 99.9 % of all drivers.
  • macakavamacakava Posts: 775
    "My FWD Ford F-150 and Blazer AWD seem to be un-stoppable in ordinary snow depths while any of my FWD vehicles have been no better than rear wheel drive."

    In snow or ice only conditions, I would pick FWD over RWD any day. With the superior PULL(FWD) versus PUSH(RWD) forces, I have been able to run circles around much more powerful RWD cars with a a lower powered FWD car. It is the physics and engineering of the process.

    And I enjoyed doing it in the process!! It was fun looking at the faces of the drivers of these RWD cars then. :)
  • jipsterjipster Posts: 5,345
    "then you have jipster and a few others for the MPV"

    Really?? Where??? As far as I know I'm the only MPV'er that frequents this board. Unless there are MPV owners (maybe mac?) disguising themselves off as diehard Ody owners. He does like to write ZOOM ZOOM ZOOM whenever given the chance. :)

    But, seriously. We have new members pop in here all the time asking for comparisons. As members and host alike know...I am an unbiased minivan poster. I have pointed out the pros and cons of all minivans on the market...including my beloved MPV. So,'re likely to hear the same ole stuff sometimes.
    Sorry you are tired of it...but there are other boards. Or, you may scroll.
    Reguarding macs flaming...thats something for the hosts to deal with.
  • nwngnwng Posts: 664
    get a sedona if you need to tow that much, it's a body on frame
  • charlotte7charlotte7 Posts: 144
    I think you will be fine. My grandparents live in Battle Creek, MI and have an AWD 04 Sienna that they love. They drive it in the snow all the time, including out on rural roads to my parents, who live outside of Marshall.

  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    When FWD vehicles were spinning out :sick: I live in the Rocky Mountain region where we have snow and hills.
    Why? Am I just a more skilled driver? or, when going up a hill does the weight transfer off the front wheels of FWD and shift to rear wheels? OR, do tires on each vehicle have more effect than FWD or RWD?
    ALMOST every performance vehicle is Rear Wheel Drive ...and that is because rear wheel drive is better for performance. Front wheel drive is better to get more space in the same length vehicle in addition to slightly better fuel economy.
    Sadly, there are no viable rear wheel drive minivans now in production. :cry:
  • carzzzcarzzz Posts: 282
    I guess Astro is the best then!
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    YES, if you want the most torque and the most interior space in a minivan. ;)
    Sadly, GM never improved on the Astro after introducing it 21 years ago. DC has made many changes and improvement as has Honda, Toyota, and Nissan. Ford and GM changes have been miniscule after dropping rear wheel drive Aerostar and Astro/Safari. The Ford and GM FWD minivans are sick jokes. :sick:
  • nwngnwng Posts: 664
    I think Gm made a mistake by cancelling the astro. Many families like to tow campers, boat, utitilty trailers.... who do not want/afford a SUV. Fwd vans are not ideal for towing. Go to any boat ramp and see how many people use fwd vans to pull their boats (no matter how big or small) out of the water. GM could have spend a little bit of money to update the interior, reduce NVH, update the vortecs and trannies every now and then and they'll have that whole market by themselves.
  • jipsterjipster Posts: 5,345
    I kind of like the GM vans. I don't think I've read a single positive thing about them on Edmunds...but they're pretty good. I know I'll get stoned for this...but I like the SUV look they have. I would buy one if it had the fold flat third row seat , or if I thought I could get by without it...which I guess I could.

    edited: Man...did I say "I" enough for you guys...yikes!
  • Why is it imposible to have ABS, curtain airbags, and traction control on many of the lower trim lines of the DC minivans? I think you can only get this combo on a touring/ltd T&C model. Will this change in '06?
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    DC minivan engines are NOT performance engines. We who own DC minivans know our minivan is NOT a performance vehicle so we don't drive aggressively and just do not need all the latest high tech passive protection items. :blush:
    DC also makes minivans for many income levels and do not have ABS, curtain airbags and traction control on lower levels to keep the price as low as possible. ;)
    I probably get better gas mileage in my T&C LX with 3.3L than I would in a Sienna or Odyssey that has alot more power. If I had that power, it would probably be used which would cause lower gas mileage. :confuse:
  • lastwraithlastwraith Posts: 350
    "We who own DC minivans know our minivan is NOT a performance vehicle so we don't drive aggressively and just do not need all the latest high tech passive protection items."

    What? Passive protection items are there because they provide an extra margin of safety for ANY driver in an emergency or normal driving situation. Arguing that a minivan is NOT a performance vehicle and doesn't need that protection is silly, since you would then have drivers behind the wheel who would actually benefit the most from this protection. VSA, traction control, and ABS are useful for everyone but are of particular importance for drivers who are not skilled enough to maintain control in a dangerous or emergency situation.

    I would agree more that the lack of safety features on the lower end models has to do with pricing and the fact that many vans are sold as rentals or to other fleets (govt, corporate, etc).

    Another thing, how exactly do you have a FWD F-150? Im assuming thats a typo. 4WD perhaps? There is no comparing FWD to RWD in the snow. All other things being equal (TCS, VSA, etc) FWD can get you through the snow much better than RWD.

    RWD is used on performance cars because it launches faster when you HAVE traction. Not to mention the lack of (compared to FWD) torque steer and simplicity compared (again) to FWD systems. In the snow, weight transfer is all well and good, but there still is not enough weight over the tires to do much compared to the relative ease of pulling a car throught the snow with the front two wheels. I don't know about you, but many streets that were totally impossible to get up in the snow with my RWD cars (Chevy Caprice, various work vans) are easily dealth with in FWD cars (Buick Regal, Accord, DCX and Honda minivans).
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