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  • kfdmedkfdmed Posts: 130
    So 12 times a year I anticipate stowing the 2nd row.
  • garandmangarandman Posts: 524
    We have a 99 Caravan (not Grand - short wheelbase) with buckets. We leave one out most of the time. We put it back in or take the other out about once a month. We have three kids and with one out it's easy to load kids in and out.

    We also have an 05 Nissan Quest used for work and family. The middle row folds down almost flat with the push of a latch. The seats are folded and unfolded regularly.

    Neither of our vans have split 3rd rows, nor do we miss this particular "feature"
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    Almost all new minivans have excellent headlights. Don't buy a pre-2001 DC minivan if you need bright headlights. :blush:
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    Personally, I'd rather have the option of sliding the 2nd row seats together to make a bench, then the stow-n-go. If I need more space, I'll always know in advance & I just can take the seats out. But to me, the ability to slide the two 2nd row seats together outweighs the stow-n-go capability. But to each his own.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    there are varying degrees of how often we fold away our second rows.

    Stow N Go owners (and other DCX van owners apparently) seem to take out their second row seats more often than other minivan owners.

    How about this survey question:
    How many times have you wished your van had a second row bench seat instead of bucket seats? And if your van allowed you to slide the second row bucket seats together, would you?

    My answer: About 0 times but occasionally I do like sliding together the second row buckets just to change things up a little :)
  • artgpoartgpo Posts: 483
    I thought it brilliant and inspirational.

    Honda Odyssey owners have a very sophisticated sense of humor.
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    I like the 2nd row bench for easier access to the 3rd row on at least one side...just climb right in.
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    "Do you take your kids everywhere?"

    I don't; but my wife does. When we are going somewhere without the kids, we take my Celica.

    "I have stowed both rows 5 times for just furniture hauling in the last six months. Saves me the delivery fee."

    My folks live less than a mile away and have a truck. And two trailors. So no, we've had no need to use the van for hauling. Which is why I've said that FOR ME, sto'n'go wouldn't be useful. Which is also why I've said that we've never had any need WHATSOEVER to remove either one or both 2nd row seats.

    You've saved the delivery fee on furniture delivery 5 times in 6 months? How much furniture are you buying anyway? (BTW - if desired, we COULD haul furniture in the Ody by simply removing the 2nd row seats. It's really NOT all that difficult to do; we can't just go buy a bedroom suite on a whim. Bummer.)
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    "To me (and I repeat, to me) the 2nd row seats in the Ody felt nicer (more comfortable) than those in the DCX."

    "Does that matter when you have 2-3 kids, like you said earlier? Carseats & boosters don't notice seat comfort..."

    Since:

    1) we tend to keep our vehicles for a minium of 8 years, and...

    2) our kids will be out of their booster seats in 1-1/2 to 2 years....

    Yes. Seat comfort without carseats/boosters DID matter when we were shopping. Are you acknowledging that the 2nd row seat comfort in the DCX is less than that of the Ody?
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    Almost all new minivans have excellent headlights. Don't buy a pre-2001 DC minivan if you need bright headlights.

    All mid 90s to about 2001 Dodge/Chryslers had very poor headlights. Thats what happens when you go for style over function. It won't happen with the Germans involved.
  • kfdmedkfdmed Posts: 130
    Got to keep them separated ... my 4 year old an 2 year old. Putting them close together back there is asking for trouble.
  • kfdmedkfdmed Posts: 130
    Doesn't make sense ... the stow area is closed at all times except to stow or unstow the seats and you dont do that while driving.
  • kfdmedkfdmed Posts: 130
    Bought a bed and headboard for my two year old at different times so that was two trips. Sold a desk at a garage sale and delivered for the guy who bought it. Delivered a dining room table and chairs for my sister. Bought TV and entertainment center for kids playroom. All these trips required the 2nd row to be stowed. I dont like to borrow vehicles if I dont have to.
  • Since:

    1) we tend to keep our vehicles for a minium of 8 years, and...

    2) our kids will be out of their booster seats in 1-1/2 to 2 years....

    Yes. Seat comfort without carseats/boosters DID matter when we were shopping. Are you acknowledging that the 2nd row seat comfort in the DCX is less than that of the Ody?"

    I don't know if they are or not, since I don't sit there and don't have sto N Go. I have heard that you sacrifice some comfort w/ Sto N Go. Which I personally think is moot for most minivan buyers because it only matters if you are sitting ADULTS there regularly. And the whole seat comfort thing doesn't mean much to me. I don't think I've ever been bothered by a seat. Maybe the legroom, but the design of the seat, nah...
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    Let me start by saying that I'm not a current minivan owner. I have a Ford Freestyle with a 2nd row, 3 person bench. My wife sits in the 2nd row next to our infant (with the front passenger seat folded flat), that's why we like a 2nd row bench. Later on after our next baby we may get a minivan, but I'd still like the 2nd row bench option, like in the Odyssey.

    I think that the Odyssey has the best seating arrangement, because you can keep the 2nd row seats apart if you want, or together as a bench. But if my wife & infant sit in the second row, we can put the other kids in the 3rd row and they'll have easy access to the 3rd row if we have the 2nd row 2-seat bench. With the 2nd row separate chairs, the kids would have to go across and then in-between. Not a big deal, but easier just to shoot right into the 3rd row.

    And for the rare circumstances that I need to carry 8 passengers (maybe a few times each year when we have guests), the Odyssey's extra middle 2nd row seat would be useful. The Sienna has a 2nd row 3-person bench option, but I wouldn't want that all the time if I was using the 3rd row all of the time. Not too convenient.

    For me, the stowNgo option wouldn't be worth it. Again, the reality is when I do need to haul large items, it's not a surprise. I'm not just in a store and POOF, decide to buy something too big to fit without removing the 2nd row. But I would miss the 2nd row flexibility if I did have stowNgo. Maybe when it comes out with the unstowed slideing option with a 3 seat 2nd row option, then I'll take it.
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    "Again, the reality is when I do need to haul large items, it's not a surprise. I'm not just in a store and POOF, decide to buy something too big to fit without removing the 2nd row."

    YES! Exactly. kfdmed seems to think the only way to store seats in order to use the cargo capacity of a van is to flip them into the floor.

    Is sto'n'go the EASIEST way to store the 2nd row? Sure. But all the main contenders have the capacity of remove the 2nd row for cargo hauling.

    I suppose prospective owners simply need to honestly assess the anticipated frequency of 2nd row seat removal and balance that against possible seat comfort issues and loss of seating flexibility (2nd row bench with wide access aisle to 3rd row).
  • kfdmedkfdmed Posts: 130
    of the need to stow/remove the 2nd row. I seem to have the need to do this more than anyone. Yes, I could do the same with a different minivan, it just wouldn't be as easy.
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    Agree on that...if every week I was taking out the 2nd row seats for hauling, (and the 2nd row seating arrangement of the GC was good enough), then I'd go with the stowNgo.

    But again, on a broad perspective, I'd still say that the Odyssey was the most flexible because you do have the ability to take out the 2nd row if you need to, you can have a 2nd row 2-seat bench if you want, and you can add the 8th person option too. So if you look at which minivan has the most options overall, I'd have to say the Odyssey, but again, each person has to see which option means more than the other.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    In our five years of having the Odyssey, we often shifted the seats around. Having the middle row seperate was great and made "captains chairs", which was more comfortable for four people. When we had 5-7 people, we made the seats into a bench, which made 3rd row access much easier. We never had to remove the seats, or had a need to. Where we buy furniture, delivery is free for purchases over $800, so we never had to utilize it. If we had the need to, though, we would have known in advance, and just popped the seats out.

    To repeat the commonly found phrase...To each, his own.
  • Today I test drove a 2006 Sienna, as well as an Odyssey and a Grand Caravan. I'm wondering if the 2005 Sienna came with an auxilliary input on the stereo as the 2006 does. The dealer, per usual, had very little information. I'm always surprised by how little car salesmen often know about the products they represent.

    Any help would be appreciated.

    - Mike in Chicago
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