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  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    I have sat in the 3rd row seat of many GC...with Stow 'N Go and without and the 3rd row seats reclined in every one. ;)
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    I have sat in the 3rd row seat of many GC...with Stow 'N Go and without and the 3rd row seats reclined in every one.

    Maybe you can help me find the lever that allows the seat back to recline farther. I haven't found it.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    There is a little strap (not a lever if I recall correctly) on each of the 60 or 40 portion, near the bottom of the seat back next to the wheel well that will enable either side to recline if the seat back is pushed rearward; or it will enable the seat back to tip forward so the entire seat can fold into the floor.
    The Stow and Fold 3rd row seats of the Sienna work in a slightly different manner. In the Sienna, the back of the 3rd row seat is facing upward when it is folded into the floor whereas the DC minivans have the bottom of the seat facing upward when the entire seat is folded into the floor. :shades: I think the Odyssey has the best folding mechanism for the 3rd row seats since it allows the 3rd row seat cushion to be relatively flat while working slightly easier than the Sienna mechanism.
    I am not positive that the rear seat would recline when the 2005 minivans with Stow 'N Go were first introduced in January 2004. The 3rd row seat may have been modified during the production run.
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    I knew it would allow it to go forwards to fold into the floor. Didn't know it would allow it to go backwards also. I'll try it tomorrow and see if it'll work.
    Thanks.
  • tpa2tpa2 Posts: 9
    Can anyone tell me when side curtain airbags became an option on the Toyota Sienna and the Honda Odyssey? Any chance of finding a used one before 2003 with these airbags?
    Thanks,
    Tonia
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    Any chance of finding a used one before 2003 with these airbags? You won't find any prior to 2003. Airbag safety systems can't be added easily by the OEM or aftermarket...they take a lot of design effort. Usually they're added same time as a major redesign when they're easier to integrate.
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    I knew it would allow it to go forwards to fold into the floor. Didn't know it would allow it to go backwards also. I'll try it tomorrow and see if it'll work.
    Thanks.


    Hans is right....there's strap on each side and they allow the angle to be adjusted. I know the Honda's also adjust but you can't do it while seated in seat, you have to do it from back hatch area. Not sure about others.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Side airbags have been around since the 2002 Odyssey, but the head curtains came later, 2004 (Toyota) and 2005 (Honda)
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    Plain old side airbags became standard with the 2002 Odyssey MMC (Minor Model Change) but side curtain airbags did not arrive until the 2005 FMC (Full Model Change)

    On the Sienna, side curtain airbags arrived with the launch of the 2004 model in March 2003.
  • tpa2tpa2 Posts: 9
    Many thanks for the info.

    So I need a car and am looking at a minivan. Cost is an issue so we cannot just go out and buy a new one. Looking at a 2003 Honda Odyssey Ex. Good van? Like most parents, I am most concerned about safety. Part of me is leaning toward a used Volvo wagon for that reason but we could use the space in a minivan. Any suggestions?
    Thanks,
    Tonia
  • cpsdarrencpsdarren Posts: 265
    Around here, low mileage 2003 Odyssey EXs go for around 20k. That's not much less than a brand new 2006 Kia Sedona LX. You can get those for under 22k at Carsdirect.com, so I assume you could negotiate them for less at a local dealer.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Or, if you want to go the used route and can wait a year, wait on a used 2006 Sedona. Those should be CHEEEEAP on the used market, likely less than a 2003 EX-L (assuming a Sedona EX).
  • tpa2tpa2 Posts: 9
    You know I just stopped at the Kia dealer this morning and looked at a brand new Kia Sedona. The one with the 5 star rating on front,rear and side impact. With the side curtain airbags all the way back. I love it. I mean I am shocked because I am sort of easing into this minivan idea. It was nice and roomy. Felt safe. I like it better than the Honda adn the Toyota vans I have looked at so far. So I am assuming this car will be a whole lot cheaper used if I can wait a year. But I need a car now. Like this week because the old one needs an expensive repair and is not worth it to fix. I was thinking I should just buy an inexpensive used Subaru wagon, drive it for a year then switch it to the commuter car for dh and buy the Kia a year from now used. But the Subaru seems so small and uncomfortable. (I drove Subarus for years, took two to over 300K but I've gained a few pounds since then.)

    Here is my question. IS depreciation a factor if we are planning to drive the van for the next 10 years? Is the Kia van going to hold up that long?

    BTW, I found an 03 Odyssey here for 13K but it has 89K miles on it. No side airbags in the back either. One owner, seems nice. It is an EX. Leather, sliding doors, etc.

    Opinions on what I should do here are welcome. We have one child, planning on at least one more, hence the van idea.

    Thanks!
    Tonia
  • cpsdarrencpsdarren Posts: 265
    If you got lucky, maybe you could find a 2004 Toyota Sienna CE or LE model with side curtain airbags. I'd think you could find one with under 50k miles for under $20,000.
  • tpa2tpa2 Posts: 9
    So would you avoid a Kia? I cannot find a used Sienna with side curtain airbags unless I go up to the XLE ltd model. Even then, the closest one to me is 150 miles away. Too much $$ for our budget. 26,000+ It doesn't look like they were an option on the LE.

    Is the new Kia a bad choice? It seems to have everything we need at a price we can handle. I will probably drive it for the next 10 years. I am a bit worried because it is so new so there is no reference for comparison as far as its longevity. Anyone here have an opinion? Pro or con, either one.
    Thanks
  • dc_driverdc_driver Posts: 712
    I think the new Kia is a sound purchase compared to an older generation Odyssey or Sienna with more miles and no warranty. Aside from the fact that I preferred many aspects of my 06 Odyssey EX-L over the Kia, I thought the Kia was a nice van. I would be a little concerned about the reliability factor with regards to Kia, but it does have a solid warranty. Hyundai/Kia has a history of bad resale value as well. But if you are planning on keeping the minivan for ten years, that should not matter nearly as much. Considering safety is one of your major concerns, and if the new Kia fits your budget I would put that at the top of the list. Have you considered the DCX vans? You should easily be able to find one 1-2 years old with loaded (w side airbags) with low miles?

    Good luck!
  • tpa2tpa2 Posts: 9
    What is a DCX?
  • dc_driverdc_driver Posts: 712
    Sorry, Daimler Chrysler (in this case the Town and Country and Dodge Grand Caravan)..
  • cpsdarrencpsdarren Posts: 265
    The 2006 Sedona was my first suggestion, I was just giving an alternative. Kia has a great warranty. As long as the company stays in business in the USA and you have a good dealer, you shouldn't have major expenses over 5/10 years.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    Read the Kia Sedona boards. Many owners reported that it is difficult to get Kia dealers to honor the warranty when they can get parts. :shades:
  • tpa2tpa2 Posts: 9
    We drove the Kia tonight. I have a couple of issues with it though. Like a major one is that the nice Kia with all the bells and whistles was 30,000.00 A lot more than I've ever seen advertised. The EX a step down was 26,900 and the LX was 23,something. I really want the power doors. Just seems like something I would appreciate when dropping off kids at school and such. To get that we are looking at the high end model. Not the great deal I keep hearing about. Do those prices seem high? What about the 20,000.00 I keep hearing about?

    Maybe I will have to compromise on the side curtain airbags and go used Toyota. Are they safe? For the kids in the back?

    I want a safe minivan for under 22,000.00 with some bells and whistles. Power doors, a dvd package. Most of all safe. Can this be done?

    Thanks
  • cpsdarrencpsdarren Posts: 265
    Go to carsdirect.com . Enter your zip code. They will give you a guaranteed quote on the model of your choice with the options that are available in your area.

    This price isn't necessarily a great price, but you should never pay more. If local dealers won't beat the price, then buy through carsdirect.com. You'll have the last laugh when carsdirect.com delivers your new car through one of those local dealers. Most likely, when you email or visit local dealers, they will beat the carsdirect.com price by a good margin. Of course, they will try to get you to pay more, add options or move up to a higher trim level for more money. It's all part of the game.

    You can also try buying services like Sam's Club, Costco, local credit unions, autobytel.com and many others.

    If you need things like power doors, entertainment system and other extras, a new van probably won't meet your price constraints. I thought you were looking more for a low cost entry model with side curtain airbags, sorry.
  • tpa2tpa2 Posts: 9
    Well I don't know what I am looking for. I feel overwhelmed. 20,000.00 is a lot of money for me so I want something I will be happy with. I think I should go test drive the Toyotas and Hondas. Looks like a slightly used 2006 Toyota CE is lower in price than the Kia and you still get the airbags. Just can't find one close by.

    Thanks so much for all your help. Looks like I just need to get out the and drive a few more vans.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    My sister recently bought a nice used 2005 GC SE with 23,000 miles for $ 14,500. It has 2 built in child seats in the 2nd row bench seat, 60/40 split fold into the floor 3rd row seat, separately controlled temperature for driver, front passenger, and rear passengers, power windows, power rear vent windows.
    She had 170,000 on a used 1986 Caravan SE when it was sold 5 or 6 years ago...and it had no problems all those years except the 4 cyl had too little power.
    Many people I know have purchased 3 or 4 DC minivans since they came out 26 years ago. Complete satisfaction keep them buying DC minivans when they need a newer vehicle. :shades:
  • dc_driverdc_driver Posts: 712
    Yeah, but the Toyota CE is a stripped down model and does not have any power features/DVD player either..

    You really should look at a used Dodge Caravan SXT with airbags, power doors, and a DVD player.. You should be able to find a used one for close to your price point (new ones in my area with DVD, leather, power doors, etc, are going for about 23-24K).

    Otherwise, you will have to find a used 2002-2003 Toyota or Honda with power doors, DVD, etc...
  • jipsterjipster Posts: 5,345
    Do those prices seem high?

    Those prices are MSRP...which is the asking price. Knock 2 or 3 thousand off MSRP and you will be close to invoice price...what a good negotiator tries to get a vehicle for. How are your negotiation skills? You should be able to get a new 2006 Kia LX for around $22,000. No help on the Kia Sedona Prices Paid board for LX's.

    I think a new or one year old Dodge Grand Caravan would fit your requirements as well.

    I would definitely take my time, do your homework on what the vehicles you are interested in are going for...and most importantly, buy something you really like and will enjoy, since you say you'll be driving this van for the next ten years.

    The Toyota vans are very safe, but there are a lot of people who highly recommend the side curtain airbags.
  • jipsterjipster Posts: 5,345
    the Toyota CE is a stripped down model and does not have any power features...

    The 2006 CE is hardly a stripped down model. Some standard equipment on the CE: 5 speed auto. trans (same engine and transmission as in the higher priced models), front side and curtain airbags, antilock brakes, tire pressure monitor, front and rear a/c, tilt/telescope steering wheel, second row bucket seats, power windows, power locks, power mirror, remote keyless entry, cd player, rear defogger wiper
  • dc_driverdc_driver Posts: 712
    Wow, your right. I think I was comparing it to the 05 model which did not have side airbags..

    CE's in my area are going for under $22K..

    So are Odyssey LX's and Hyundai Entourage's...

    Granted this is before tax, tag, and title but it looks like there are quite a few options for $22-23K. You won't be able to get power doors and a DVD player for that price on a new van however..
  • jipsterjipster Posts: 5,345
    The wife and I almost bought the Sienna CE in May of 2004, when it was a hot seller and going close for sticker.(in our area)

    To get the "safety package" on the CE was an additional $2,700 I believe. Safety package included side and curtain airbags, 4 wheel disc antilock brakes, vehicle stability control and a few other things.

    My experience has been Sienna CE's in general are very difficult to find. Someone on a budget, or who doesn't care for all the extra features, would be very happy with the base CE. :)
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    I have sat in the 3rd row seat of many GC...with Stow 'N Go and without and the 3rd row seats reclined in every one.

    Well your right hansienna, if you pull strap #1 in back of the third row seat, it will tilt backwards as well as forwards. I am now a happy man. I can't complain of any of the seats in the Dodge minivans now. Not quite as soft as the others, but not uncomfortable at all.
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