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Minivans - Domestic or Foreign

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  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    It can be unlocked from inside the Odyssey. You will see a small square cut out that you can pop open with your key and then pull the lever to open the liftgate, it is located at the base of the liftgate right in the center. The Odyssey only has one key hole and that is in the driver's door.

    You mean you have to bend over the third row seats to unlock the hatch? Wow, they didn't give that much thought did they?
  • jpnewtjpnewt Posts: 71
    Marine you and I go round and round on the issue of Caravan vs. Odyssey but I'd rather have to do that then Live or Die with a "PRETTY SAFE VAN" in the Dodge. By the way what does PRETTY SAFE mean? ;)
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    Check the insurance rates on the minivans. Crash tests show only the results of a deliberate crash into a set barrier without any variables concerning other vehicles on the road, road conditions, etc.
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    Not hardly.

    I guess i'm not entitled to my opinion, just you huh? We do think highly of ourselves don't we? I just used the door "thunk" as an example of another stupid statement concerning an atribute one could quibble over.

    I know you read about the time in October of 2004, when I was randomly selected for an opinion poll to actually drive four minivans back to back over a six mile course of city streets, freeway and bad roads (although they are hard to find in Texas ).

    You might want to get a job at Car & Driver, Motortrends or better yet, CR!!!!! You're such an expert on Minivans. I'm thankful we have you to educate us all with your unbiased opinions and vast knowledge....from the bottom of my heart - THANK YOU!!!!
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    I have driven a 2001 Odd EX MANY more than 6 miles and it is NOT as quiet or comfortable as either the 2002 GC Sport or 2002 T&C LX. Furthermore, it is NOT as quiet as a 1999 GC SE that I also have driven more than once on a course much longer than 6 miles.
    The 2006 Odyssey did NOT perform as well in a 15 mile test drive as did the 2004 Sienna...but each performed better than my 2002 T&C LX with 3.3L.
    The Odyssey is a nice minivan that caused DC and others to add more features such as the "Magic Seat". Honda could not sell many Odyssey minivans until they made the 1999 Odyssey that copied the size and many nice features Chrysler had introduced to the minivan market over the years.
    Isn't it nice that Honda finally made a satisfactory minivan....after Chrysler controlled the market for over 20 years?
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    I would be the first one to admit the Honda is much nicer than the Dodge minivan inside. But I will also say the Dodge does have a high quality thunk to their doors

    I believe the Honda "thunk" depends on the model. I remember being in a friend's new Ody....LX model, and the doors sounded tinny. On this Touring I tried to look at, they sounded like my DCX exactly....nice solid thunk. Must have to do with added sound insulation and leather trim on door panels???

    I personally didn't want a high end minivan...not for my lifestyle of camping, dogs, windsurfing etc....plus, I didn't want to spend over $20k for my "beater" van as I joke with friends. One year and 10k trouble free miles later, I know I made the right choice for me.

    True both Japanese models are much nicer inside and offer some features Chrysler doesn't, but owners are paying for the extra quality and features. I wouldn't use "quality" so liberally here....not from what I see on these forums!
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    Marine you and I go round and round on the issue of Caravan vs. Odyssey but I'd rather have to do that then Live or Die with a "PRETTY SAFE VAN" in the Dodge. By the way what does PRETTY SAFE mean?

    Well Jpnewt, as safe as most any minivan could be before stability control came out. Granted that helps, but remember less than two years ago, Honda didn't have it either and I bet that wouldn't have prevented you from buying a Honda van or another car, instead of buying a car that had it on it. Now that Honda has it, you think everyone should buy a Honda no matter if it meets our other needs or not. Were Honda's vehicles unsafe before 2005? Were we all buying unsafe vans? Of course not.

    Honda does not meet my needs. I bought it to haul family, grand kids and stuff I need when working around my or my sister's house, or to carry home furniture or appliance I buy to replace things that wear out. I also find my van being used to carry an electric wheel chair and electric scooter. Something I hadn't planned on when I bought my van. Things 95% of Honda owners would never carry in their minivans. Why should I buy something that doesn't meet my needs just to get a safety feature that has never been on vans before. It doesn't make my van any less safe than it, or other's ever were before.
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    Were Honda's vehicles unsafe before 2005? Were we all buying unsafe vans? Of course not.

    If stability control was the be all and end all of safety, why doesn't Honda offer it, even as an option, on it's new 2006 Civics?
  • cpsdarrencpsdarren Posts: 265
    "Consumer Reports stated that the frontal offset crash test was not that great on DCX. It is excellent on Odyssey and Sienna. That type of crash is real world not the frontal barrier used by NHTSA."

    Full width frontal crashes are at least as common as frontal offset crashes. Both the IIHS and NHTSA crash tests are complementary. Neither one supercedes the other- ideally you'd have a vehicle that does well in all the available tests.
  • cpsdarrencpsdarren Posts: 265
    "Check the insurance rates on the minivans. Crash tests show only the results of a deliberate crash into a set barrier without any variables concerning other vehicles on the road, road conditions, etc."

    Those other variables are what make these a poor predictor of crashworthiness. Insurance rates, like death and injury statistics, have a large element of driver profile in them. That is why even corporate twins often have different rates and varying statistics, even though the vehicles are identical.

    Try this calculator for starters- plug in some of the corporate "twins" like the GM minivans and note that none of the four are the same...

    http://moneycentral.msn.com/insure/autorisk.aspx
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    The Odyssey LX may be the best deal in my opinion (in terms of safety features for the money) most people when they walk into that dealership intending to buy a "base" model end up buying an EX or an EX-L because they're attracted to the added features, gizmos, and gadgets.
  • cpsdarrencpsdarren Posts: 265
    I'd be surprised if the LX was over 25% of sales. I see them around, but the majority seem to be EX/EX-Ls. Even Tourings seem to be more common around here. My last Odyssey was an LX. I'd have probably bought another one if it had the 8th seat, but the added features, gizmos and gadgets are nice, too.

    Want a real rarity? Try to find a Sienna CE with package #2 (VSC, 4-wheel discs, DRL). It isn't even available in some areas and dealers rarely order them if it is.
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    As I have stated, Honda didn't meet my needs, this van does. It is the friendliest family minivan on the market. Look at these pictures and see why. The blue van is my brother's.

    http://www.carspace.com/marine2/?14@@index.html!jkdty3=1

    Click on pictures to enlarge.

    Anyone know how to rearrange them in order?
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    We decided to get not only the wheel chair, but also the scooter. As you can see, they both fit in easially with plenty of room to spare and I didn't have to take a seat out to do it. You can't beat stow and go. For an active family, it is great.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    I agree. At Serra Honda (used to be Neil Bonnett Honda, where my family does business) they currently have one LX in stock, compared to 17 EX models and 5 Touring Models. Of the Odyssies I see on the road, probably 7 of 10 are EX, 2 of 10 are Touring, and 1 of 10 are LX.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Well nzchris, your still in luck with the Chrysler/Dodge minivans. You could buy a 2002-2004 van and get a good one in any of those years from Chrysler and still pay thousands less than the Honda/Toyota. Now if you were going back much farther,(like 1990 and back) I would suggest you buy a Toyota minivan, as Chrysler and Honda both had problems with their transmissions back then. Your pretty safe with any of the three in those years. Although I think Toyota had some problems with the engine slugging up, although I am not sure of the years they were doing it.

    If I'm not mistaken, weren't the first Odyssies generally the most reliable; using the gen-5 (94-97) Accord's bulletproof engine and admirably reliable transmission?

    Generally, the rougher years of Ody trannies were 1999-2001, although sporadic problems obviously exist later than that.

    I sure hope 1990 was a typo, sir. Honda didn't start making vans until 1995 (with their Accord-based Wagon-style Odyssey).
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    I sure hope 1990 was a typo, sir. Honda didn't start making vans until 1995 (with their Accord-based Wagon-style Odyssey).

    It was a typo, I meant below 2000. I don't know of anyone who would want to buy one around 1990, Thanks for pointing it out.
  • masterpaul1masterpaul1 Posts: 421
    We bought a used 01 DGC EX with only 37K back in Sep. 2003 for just under $16,000. We now have over 71K miles and our van has been very reliable. No transmission, engine or electrical problems. (Well we did have a dash light that went out last year, but it cam back on and has not gone back out since). Outside of regular maintenance, oil changes and brakes, all is well and I am very pleased with our purchased. We will be replacing both rear cargo door lifters though in the near future. (They will not lift the door open using the power feature when below 50 degrees, because they are worn and weak.) Some none maintenance stuff was, both front power window motors and regulators had to be replaced right after purchase. We had some front suspension work done at around 50K. A power steering hose replaced from a recall. A gas cap I think around 45K. A battery around 55K. :shades:
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    We will be replacing both rear cargo door lifters though in the near future. (They will not lift the door open using the power feature when below 50 degrees, because they are worn and weak.) Some none maintenance stuff was, both front power window motors and regulators had to be replaced right after purchase. We had some front suspension work done at around 50K. A power steering hose replaced from a recall. A gas cap I think around 45K. A battery around 55K.

    Wouldn't things like an intermittently working dash light, power windows, and power hatch be considered eletrical problems? If all were covered under basic warranty, that's different, I realize, but things like replacing the power hatch opener, window regulators and suspension work (the trouble we had with one of our 2 Chryslers was suspension) sounds like a good bit of stuff to be fixed early in vehicle life (pre-100k miles).

    The battery at 55k does seem a little premature (most batteries have a 5 year life to them, but that's admitted nit-picking on my part).
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    The rear hatch lifters are those hydraulic lifters, really has nothing to do with the electrical system. They are more like a screen door closer.

    Batteries out here in Arizona only last about 24-30 months.

    Window regulators and suspension should have lasted longer than they did though.
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