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  • zoozeekzoozeek Posts: 32
    Just test-drove an 06 EX. Nice around town, but rather loud engine noise and uncertain, jumpy transmission on the highway. Is the 07 better in these respects?
  • cpsdarrencpsdarren Posts: 265
    I doubt they've improved anything in that regard. I think the mid cycle refresh is 2008.

    You might try another Odyssey. Those two issues are not typical complaints you hear. Road and tire noise are quite prevalent at highway speed on various pavement, but I never noted wind or engine noise to be notably worse than the competition.
  • cpsdarrencpsdarren Posts: 265
    Plus, figure 6-12 months before the various recalls and reliability issues are resolved for most first year models. Also, for those concerned about safety, crash tests aren't usually available on brand new models for at least a few months after introduction. While Kia managed top scores with it's second generation minivan, the class originator still hasn't managed to do so after numerous updates. If 2008 is "all-new", I'd consider waiting for a late 2008, a 2009 or buy something that is already at least a year into its current design. Just my preference, I know others love having the newest thing so YMMV.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    I have driven more than 1 Odyssey EX of different years and I never noticed a loud engine or uncertain, jumpy transmission anywhere...city or highway. :shades:
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Glad to see the Odyssey is getting this long overdue feature. Who else in the minivan field offers this?
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    "Glad to see the Odyssey is getting this long overdue feature. Who else in the minivan field offers this?"

    Sienna for one. On most (if not all) of their trim levels. They have since the '05s were released.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    The 2004 Sienna also had the tilt and telescopic steering wheel which I saw on March 31, 2003 when I also picked up the 2004 Sienna brochure. ;)
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    Doh! That's right - I dunno why I was thinking the current generation Sienna began with the '05 models.
  • If it breaks don't plan on having Honda fix it, I've had so many problems with my Honda and they pay for very little. Even wrote to Japan, obviously the H has nothing to do with honor
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    "If it breaks don't plan on having Honda fix it..."

    That hasn't been my experience with either a noisy door slider (fixed) or noisy brakes (fixed per Honda issued TSB) on our '05 Odyssey.

    Both issues resolved immediately upon being mentioned to the service writer at our local Honda dealer. And we didn't even BUY our Honda from this dealer.
  • fx35awdfx35awd Posts: 218
    Hi guys, do you guys recommend buying extended warrantee for the Honda Odyssey, I have '07 with DVD and Navi. The most important thing is I am afraid are the power doors might go out. I would like to hear your inputs. Thanks!
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    Well, I suppose one could ask if the power sliders going out has been a problem with any of the older Odysseys?

    Personally, I dunno. I know that there have been occasional issues with the sliders on older Odysseys but (from what I understand) these are usually corrected by cleaning the contacts. Our sliders made a bit of noise not long after purchase but this was due to the fact that we live down a 1 mile unpaved driveway and exessive dust was getting into the exposed portion of the mechanism. I've since taken a little extra care to hose it out when washing the van and applying some additional lube. Problem hasn't reoccured (but I doubt this is an issue with 99% of the Ody's sold).

    Having DVD and Navi (and, I assume, a Touring model) you've probably got more 'stuff' to go wrong. Simply for the peace of mind, an extended warrantee may be worth it.

    My wife and I opted not to get one on our EX-L. It remains to be seen if that proves to be a wise decision or not.
  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,232
    Extended warranties are a gamble, plain and simple. Oh, sure they read like an insurance policy, but it's still gambling. You're paying someone (with far better resources) to tell you how much it's going to cost to guarantee (sort of) you won't have to pay for a future repair (some exclusions apply!!). The insurance companies have calculations based upon the features on your car, how much they cost to repair, estimated repair frequency, etc. They've determined how much to charge so that they can MAKE money on your insecurity.

    I do know folks that just plain have more trouble with vehicles than others, so perhaps if you're a ticking time-bomb when it comes to vehicles....go for the warranty and hedge your bets.

    The only thing you know FOR SURE about a warranty is that it's absolutely 100% going to cost you $XXXX. If you dont' get the warranty, your covered during the standard warranty and then after that you may or may not have to spend more than $XXXX.

    FWIW, we've had zero problems with our doors in 18 months. It's a fairly simple thing really. An electric motor with a reverse sensor. I'd be more concerned about the DVD player or CD-Changer acting up.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    This smells like a questionable posting by a Honda basher. Did anyone else check the profile for the poster? Interesting that the CarSpace was joined the same date as posting and there are no other postings and no personal data. :confuse:
    Please accept my apology if my assumption is wrong. ;)
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    I had noticed that but didn't want to bring it up. I also noticed that ZERO details were provided to flesh out the post. And who in the heck writes a letter to Honda in Japan? If they were that upset about a problem, you'd think there would be SOME mention of what the problem was when they posted here?

    I also noticed that no post had been made in the Ody Problems and Solutions board. Just a jump directly into this thread and then.....-poof-.....gone.
  • fx35awdfx35awd Posts: 218
    Thank you rorr and sebring95 for all your inputs. I appreciated your responses. I take it both of you guys did not purchased or do not have extended warrantee on your vehicles.

    rorr, based on what you have seen the slider doors on the Odyssey are pretty reliable?
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    Outside of the noise issue mentioned earlier, no problems with the sliders in the last nearly 2 years now. They aren't rocket science. Besides, the motors can be switched off and the doors operated manually.
  • jipsterjipster Posts: 5,345
    Hey Dick Tracy... looks like his username is his real name. Some people (i.e lurkers) just don't like to post. So, please follow my example guys, and don't make assumptions about other members. ;)

    Edited: After reading post #2760 looks as if I was right... again! :P
  • No, I've been trying to get them to honor their warranty extension for almost a year now. I paid almost $5000.00 for the trans with only 80k miles. The dealer tried also but Honda of American and Honda of Japan both say they don't have to honor warranty extension the same as recalls. Sounds like you work for Honda and I take your attack personal.
  • cpsdarrencpsdarren Posts: 265
    "Extended warranties are a gamble, plain and simple."

    True. It's sorta like Blackjack. If you just wing it, you're gonna lose money. If you play by the book, you will almost break even over time. If you also count cards and use a betting strategy, you will probably take home money in the long run.

    The same is true for insurance like an extended warranty. If you buy one at list price for a reliable vehicle like a base model 2007 Odyssey LX that is already a few years into its current design, you're almost always gonna lose money. If you get a substantial discount (many factory plans can be found for up to 50% off list online), you may well break even, given the odds of having at least a couple repairs in the period an extended warranty would cover. Maybe you bought a first year Odyssey Touring in 2005 (that year only had 3/36 powertrain warranty standard), NAV/DVD plus all the bells and whistles and you may well come out ahead.

    Also consider that Honda's extended warranty adds some other value, like the equivalent of a AAA membership with roadside assistance and such.

    Finally, keep in mind that regardless of whether you come out ahead, the dealer always makes money at the time of the sale because their only financial interest is the markup on the plan above the cost from the factory. The manufacturer can also still make money even when you come out ahead, because their cost for labor and parts is much lower than what you would pay out-of-pocket.

    I'm not saying extended warranties are a good idea. They're not on most things. I am saying that you can even the odds quite a bit by being smart when making your choice.
  • Thanks mr warranty guru. What do you think of a company that extends a warranty for defective products they produced and then refuses to honor that same warranty? Dis-Honorable is the only nice thing think I can say about such a company. I'm not just bashing Honda, I'm still a Honda owner but, any other car I but will not be a honda and I'll continue warning others.
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    "No, I've been trying to get them to honor their warranty extension for almost a year now. I paid almost $5000.00 for the trans with only 80k miles."

    The only warranty extension regarding Honda transmissions is for the 2000-2001 Accords, Odyssey, and Preludes, the 2000-2002 (and some '03) Acura TL, and the 2001-2002 (and some '03) Acura CL.

    What model/year Honda do you have that Honda is not honoring the warranty extension on?
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    What do you think of a company that extends a warranty for defective products they produced and then refuses to honor that same warranty?

    If there is clearly a warranty on the car, and clear documentation that the transmission:

    1.) is covered by said warranty

    and

    2.)was repaired before said warranty expired

    You should have no problem suing and winning the lawsuit on breach of contract, as well as winning for punitive damages (cost of the repair to you), it would be quite clear.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    If this helps anyone in anyway in regards to Honda transmissions is that Honda sort of replaced my transmission at 72K miles in my 2002 Odyssey. (I had to pay $600 for labor)

    One day the transmission blew, and the dealership said Honda would cover it, but I had to pay labor. I paid the $600, waited a few days, and got my car back. :)
  • cpsdarrencpsdarren Posts: 265
    "You should have no problem suing and winning the lawsuit on breach of contract, as well as winning for punitive damages (cost of the repair to you), it would be quite clear."

    mr warranty guru agrees;-)

    If you meet all the stipulations of the Honda warranty contract, they either repair your vehicle or you start writing letters to your state's consumer affairs department that oversees auto dealers, the state attorney general's office, other related consumer agencies and then file a lawsuit to have your repairs and court costs covered. If you don't meet the letter of the contract, then you obviously haven't told us the whole story and are bashing Honda unfairly.

    Honda has done a lot of goodwill for Odyssey transmission failures outside of warranty, jchan2 is one example. I'd think you'd have to be pretty belligerent or just have a bad dealer to be excluded from goodwill repairs if your vehicle wasn't abused or excluded for some other reason.
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    "I'd think you'd have to be pretty belligerent or just have a bad dealer to be excluded from goodwill repairs if your vehicle wasn't abused or excluded for some other reason."

    I applaud your diplomacy, sir. Much better than I could have done..... :blush:
  • I am new to this forum and I was wondering if anyone knew of the specific minivans that offer AWD? I live in Buffalo and it is vital that we have AWD for my family, but all the searches I am doing are coming up fruitless. So far, I know the Toyota Sienna comes with AWD. Is that it???

    -Krissy
  • guestguest Posts: 774
    You're correct, for 2007 Toyota is the only game in town. GM discontinued their AWD in their Minivans. You should consider a crossover SUV i.e..Pilot, Freestyle, and theres a ton of new ones coming out in a few weeks. I like the Ford Edge and GMC Acadia. Both can be had with AWD, V6s and 6 spd autos. The GMC (along with Saturn Outlook) will have seating for 7 and feature HUDs, panoramic sunroof, Nav etc...
  • guestguest Posts: 774
    Good response but NONE of the crossover SUV's offer the fuel economy and the cargo space of the Sienna.
    CONGRATULATIONS on your BIG snowfall yesterday in Buffalo. ;)
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    I'm going to agree that Honda has been very, very good about good faith repairs. There was no paperwork for me at all- unless you count the rental car documents and the standard service invoice.

    And regarding AWD minivans, Toyota's the only automaker in town now. Although I think if you look hard some GM dealers may still have some left over 2006 AWD Uplanders/Montanas/Terrazas/Relays. I haven't seen many built with AWD though...
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