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  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    We aren't referring to a defect with "if they catch when you tug". We mean they didn't catch during the crash, AS MANY CARS WITH THE PENDULUM TYPE SEAT BELT (JUST LIKE YOURS) SHOULD DO.

    temp409, please, PLEASE, realize that TUGGING THE SEATBELTS DOES NOT PROVE A DARNED THING!!!!!. Don't worry about pissing off your dealer The fact that you arent pursuing legal action (something I don't understand, but that's not my call) should make them very happy.

    Ask your dealer (or if you prefer, another local dealer) how to contact Chrysler's regional representative. Make sure you tell them you have a lawyer, that will get you more answers (hopefully).

    Keep in mind, many lawsuits on the gen III is no different than any other company. Where a product is sold, a defect is possible, and where a defect is, a lawsuit may be close behind.

    *****TUGGING THE SEATBELT PROVES NOTHING WHEN YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT TYPE OF BELT SYSTEM YOU ARE DEALING WITH*****
  • cpsdarrencpsdarren Posts: 265
    "I don't know who to contact to get crash test done on rear occupants of caravan and that would probally cost more money than I have."

    You don't need a crash test. If you are genuinely interested to know what went wrong, then you need to retain an experienced crash reconstructionist and/or forensic engineer with a highway safety background. They can inspect the seatbelts and retractor system and give you a good idea of the failure without any type of crash testing. You can google those terms to find someone in your area. In case you do file a lawsuit, most of these professionals can also serve as an expert witness on your behalf.

    For example, these turned up on a quick search. There are dozens more:

    http://www.accidentreconstruction.com/

    http://www.thecrashlab.com/

    http://forensicaccident.com/

    http://www.johnmuse.com/
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    Never mind. I think it's a lost cause. Obviously, belts that don't pass the jerk test don't work. Period. That other system is purely a figment of our imagination.

    Am I the only one to recognize the irony here? The DGC owners have completely clammed up on this issue, and the most ardent posters attempting to clear the DGC name are.....Odyssey owners? :confuse:

    Who'da thunk it?
  • temp409temp409 Posts: 55
    http://www.ertyu.org/~steven_nikkel/neontsbs/2000/28-957-00.pdf#search='DaimlerC- hrysler%20representative%20safety'

    I went here found a number talked to a VERY nice guy who recorded the phone call he said that a specialist that deals with seatbelt matters will call me tomorrow they were out for the day now. He got the vin number from my van and made a file. Im sure all will be recorded. Thanks to -thegraduate I think that was the best advice, seems like the Christian thing to do to just deal with them first. Maybe now at least the 2007 will have same catching mechanisms in rear as the front. Ill let you know how the call goes tomorrow. What I really want is to see a child size crash test dummy put in the rear in a crash test at about 35 mph and just see what happens I would bet ALOT of money NONE will catch. Should I insist on a recall? if that is the case? I bet they will not do a recall because they didn't for the gen3 case they just pay the people off. I don't want that. I just want them safe for everyone. I loved that van and I told him that and it should be a easy fix if they will only put the same catching mechanism in rear belts of caravans and durangos that they put in the front. Anyway Ill keep ya posted and thanks for listening to all my whineing.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    DaimlerChrysler minivan owners appreciate the responsible postings by many Odyssey owners.

    MANY owners of DaimlerChrysler minivans have posted concerning the unfortunate incident and the data they posted has been ignored. Most of the data posted by Odyssey owners has also been ignored. Is there any proof that the child was actually wearing the seat belt properly?

    I have grandchildren riding in both a 1999 GC SE and a 2002 T&C LX where their parents put them in either a child seat or a booster seat that is securely fastened. We do NOT drive any vehicle until ALL passengers have properly secured their seat and shoulder belts.
  • We do NOT drive any vehicle until ALL passengers have properly secured their seat and shoulder belts.

    AMEN!!
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    Come on guys. We've beat the seatbelts topic to death. In fact, I have a friend with a 97 Grand Caravan and their seatbelts seem fine to me, but perhaps I haven't done the jerk test.

    I also don't drive anywhere unless all occupants are properly buckled up.

    Interesting how I'm defending DCX yet I own a 2002 Odyssey EX :blush:
  • Claire@EdmundsClaire@Edmunds Chicago areaPosts: 968
    Come on guys. We've beat the seatbelts topic to death.
    Agreed. For those of you just joining us, here's the information that has been reported numerous times over the past several days:

    *Temp409's daughter was injured in a crash. She attributes this to faulty seatbelts in her Caravan.
    *Her rear seat belts did not catch on the first jerk.
    *The effectiveness of seatbelts cannot always be tested by jerking, as they employ different mechanisms for catching.
    *The catching mechanism employed by the rear seatbelts in her Caravan is unknown.
    *She has filed a complaint with the NHTSA and has contacted Chrysler to begin an investigation.
    *The seatbelts on her Kia pass the jerk test and she is happy with her current vehicle.

    Now, unless there's something NEW to add to the seatbelt issue, let's get back to the topic, which is Minivan Shopping. I'll be removing any further rehashing of seatbelt issues from this point forward.

    Claire

    HOST

  • temp409temp409 Posts: 55
    The same pendulum cathing mechainism that is in the front is in the rear. I said NO WAY have you tried jerking on them and he said yes he knew they didn't and I said did you know of ALL the minivans Dodge is the ONLY ones that dont pass the jerk test all the way around then he said "Well I dont go around jerking on seatbelts." I laughed and said ya well I bet you would if what happen to us just happend to you. He says what do you want out of this, I said I just want to make children safe. I asked Has there been crash test done for the rear occupants of caravan and he said contact NHTSA I did a girl answers phone doesnt know. She gives me email address to ask a question. So now Im waiting for a reply ALso Diamlerchrysler wants me to let them go get my van and do a inspection and Im not sure what to do. Im going to ask a lawyer.
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    So, DCX confirmed that the belts have a "pendulum catching mechanism"?

    Interesting.

    IF this is the case, I wonder why the front seat belts catch when jerked?
  • temp409temp409 Posts: 55
    He says pendulum in rear is heavier than in front and thats why it wont catch when you jerk the rear. Really I just want test done to make things safe for everyone. Im not sure if I can get a lawyer to do all that without money but one is suppose to call me back, I want to know if I should release the van to Diamlerchrysler or not.Hopefully he will give me that answer for free.
  • temp409temp409 Posts: 55
    My Kia needs a running board and they are soo high like $460 on the internet and that don't count having it put on I dont think. Thought I better change the subject I know people are sick of hearing the seatbelt thing.
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    "He says pendulum in rear is heavier than in front and thats why it wont catch when you jerk the rear."

    IMO, that sounds like someone blowing smoke. A pendulum mechanism works by the pendulum swinging forward. A heavier vs. lighter pendulum should have no bearing on locking when the strap is jerked.

    Change of subject: when looking at running boards, try to find out if they attach at existing mounting locations (holes in the frame of the vehicle) or if they would require new holes.

    If they bolt up to existing holes, they should be a snap to install. Sounds like a perfect parent/daughter weekend project to me. ;) If they require some drilling, you may want to consider professional installation (depending on how mechanically confident you are).
  • cpsdarrencpsdarren Posts: 265
    "IMO, that sounds like someone blowing smoke. A pendulum mechanism works by the pendulum swinging forward. A heavier vs. lighter pendulum should have no bearing on locking when the strap is jerked."

    Yup. Someone who either doesn't know what they are talking about or is being intentionally deceptive. I wouldn't let them inspect my vehicle before consulting with a lawyer, at least not after that explanation. Plus any pendulum-type retractor is not going to respond to a jerk on the belt anyway. The best way to test the pendulum type is to have an adult in the seatbelt. At the same time you brake suddenly, they should pull on the shoulder belt to see if it is locked. If you can do the sharp braking on a steep downhill incline, you have an even better chance to trip the mechanism.
  • temp409temp409 Posts: 55
    Something he said today that the gov. makes them spend millions on crash testing befour releaseing a new vehicle and I said so you do your own crash testing and he said yes and everything is recorded. And then he said for me to contact NHTSA for the rear occupant test question. Why is that if they do thier own then shouldn't they know? Maybe I missed something I don't know. Do car companys do the NHTSA testing themselves or does some independant gov. thing do it? And do they crash test with rear occupants in vans? I haven't heard back from lawyer and quess I wont since its almost 5:30 here Maybe he can answer them questions hopefully, No email back from NHTSA either.
  • 97xpresso97xpresso Posts: 249
    Lawyers usually won't charge unless there is a monetary settlement, then they take a third of that amount.
  • masterpaul1masterpaul1 Posts: 421
    This is what my owners manual says about our 01 DGC EX seat belts.

    " The belt webbing retractor is designed to lock during very sudden stops or collisions. This feature allows the shoulder part of the belt to move freely with you under normal conditions. But in a collision, the belt will lock and reduce the risk of your striking the inside of the vechicle or being thrown out."

    " The seat belts for both front seating positions are equipped with pretensioning devices that are designed to remove slack from the seat belt in the event of a collision. These devices improve the performance of the seat belt by assuring that the belt is tight about the occupant early in a collision. Pretensioners work for all size occupants, including those in child restraints and will only deploy if the seat belt is buckled."
    :shades:
  • temp409temp409 Posts: 55
    My book that came with my 2001 caravan dont have the second part of your quote.
    "The seat belts for both front seating positions are equipped with pretensioning devices that are designed to remove slack from the seat belt in the event of a collision. These devices improve the performance of the seat belt by assuring that the belt is tight about the occupant early in a collision. Pretensioners work for all size occupants, including those in child restraints and will only deploy if the seat belt is buckled"

    MY BOOK DONT HAVE THAT PAGE WHAT PAGE YOU ON? Mine was a 2001 caravan but Im not sure if it was EX or not how would I know if I have a EX? When did they start putting PRETENSIONING device one caravans?
  • temp409temp409 Posts: 55
    Mine doesnt say anything about front pretensioners when did dodge caravan start putting them on?
  • We are looking for our first minivan.

    My wife loves the inegral child seat and the 3 sets of seatbelts in the second row of the Chevy Venture, but we know about the quality and reliability issues.

    So, is there any other minivan that comes with, or you can get the integral child seat on and or the 3 seats in second row?

    Looking forward to your sharing.
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