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Minivans - Domestic or Foreign

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  • Folks,

    I would appreciate your help. I am at a loss as what I should do:

    Which should I purchase:

    1. 1997 Olds Silhouette GLS, 55K, immaculate shape, most all the extras, $7500
    2. 1997 Chevy Astro conversion, also immaculate shape, 77K miles, $8000.

    The tradeoffs: $600 less, fewer miles for the Silhouette vs. high quality conversion, more plush interior and extras, TV/VCP, better engine, less possible major problems.

    Carfax is clean on both vans, both are local owners with no major repairs, and are being sold by dealers.

    I just don't know which one to pick!

    Thanks

    Note: Also Posted on Triplets Forum
  • jipsterjipster Posts: 5,345
    Whats the Edmunds/bluebook value of those vans? Even in immaculate shape they both seem overpriced.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Whats the Edmunds/bluebook value of those vans? Even in immaculate shape they both seem overpriced.

    I agree whole-heartedly. Blue-book indicates otherwise, however (a loaded Silouhette is indicated at about $6,000 for Dealer Retail price).

    I'd have a hard time paying over $4,000 for a ten year old Oldsmobile (a company that doesn't build cars anymore).
  • mrblonde49mrblonde49 Posts: 626
    "Think of what an Acadia owner has to do to haul anything...physically remove the seats, store em etc..."

    The 3rd row seats fold down, which is the same as most minivans except the Chrysler. And if you have carseats, it's probably easier to just remove the entire seast when you need to

    "The only advantage for a CUV would be AWD and possibly styling, if one is that ashamed to be seen in a minivan. "

    Well, obviously styling is the big one, and a major reason why these were ever drawn up in the first place. I am also seeing a lof of posts about 22-25 overall MPG in the real world MPG forums for the GM CUV's, and not many vans match that
  • Thanks for the thoughts so far guys.

    Sadly, IMO the vans are not overpriced. For the Astro, you have to figure in not just the cost of the van, but the price of the conversion, and the price offered is in line with it. NADA book here is only one that prices conversions, and while it is considered over priced by some, you are delaing with banks and dealers who use it.

    The Silo is a little harder to deal with since it is hard to tell what model it is GS/GLS. But it is in line with an Edmunds rated "outstanding" condition for a used Silo.

    It's a tough choice
  • jipsterjipster Posts: 5,345
    Well, it sounds as if you like the Chevy Astro better, so I think you should go for that.

    If this is for sale at dealership, or even private sale, I'm sure you could haggle the price down some. Both sound like very nice vans. Good luck.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Check out the crash test ratings on the Silouhette and see if you still want it. Any vehicle scoring "poor" would turn me away. I'm not sure how the Astro fares in the same testing.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    to recommend going with the Silhouette, as its IIHS crash test scores are horrendous, but then again, the Astro's scores aren't much better.

    In the end though, I want to say go for the Silhouette as it will be easier to park and be more fuel efficient. (on top of having a driver side sliding door, which will be more convenient)

    However, the price does seem high for a ten year old Oldsmobile, especially a minivan.

    I am also concerned at the mileage level; those 55,000 miles were probably not highway miles, especially if they were logged over ten years.

    I would probably direct my attention to a 98 or 99 Sienna with higher mileage. Sure it is smaller, but it is definitely safer, and if you're willing to drop $8000 or so, it might be the best buy of the 3.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    Very interesting data quoted earlier:

    .....Total 07 sales for
    .....DCX vans: about 90k
    .....Odyssey: about 37k
    .....Sedona: about 16k
    .....Sienna: about 35k

    The obvious question is: "Why is Sedona with less than half the sales of the Sienna listed in 3rd place?" :confuse:
  • hypnosis44hypnosis44 Posts: 483
    Is it alphabetical?
  • joe97joe97 Posts: 2,248
    Re-read the post, where do you see the word "3rd place"?

    It's on the third line because Se comes before Si, and in that sense, yes, Sedona is third after DCX, and Odyssey. ;)
  • dbtdbt Posts: 298
    The obvious question is: "Why is Sedona with less than half the sales of the Sienna listed in 3rd place?"

    It was listed 3rd because I was going off a spreadsheet that had total sales listed alphabetically by manufacturer parent (i.e. DCX first, Honda 2nd, Hyundai 3rd, Toyota 4th). [and I never even thought about listing them in order of sales]
  • dbtdbt Posts: 298
    Following up on my earlier posts:

    Sienna had a relatively good April, with sales dropping just 1/2 of a percent (per selling day), compared to April 06. Total sales: 12,773

    Odyssey continued to be down: down 21.3% (per selling day)
    Total sales: 12,241

    Kia Sedona sales down: April 07: 2698 versus 4479 (for 06)
    Hyundai Entourage: April 07: 2697 (one shy of tying the Sedona) versus 126 (during its debut April 06 month)

    Town & Country: up a lot: 35% (total sales 15701)
    Caravan: up 11% (Total sales 23095)

    So, for April, it's the Sienna holding mostly steady (volume wise, down 1140 units), Sedona / Entourage net up about 1k units, DCX up a bunch (in per selling day terms, though in volume its 3500 units), and the Odyssey down a lot (in volume terms, down 4600). Altogether, down about 1200 units.

    BTW, highlander sold well, despite its coming redesign, up 2.4%; Pilot also sold well, up 3.9% [both of those in per selling day terms]
  • jipsterjipster Posts: 5,345
    I always thought monthly sales figures were a bit misleading. Yearly or year to date gives a truer representation.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    WHAT is the year to year sales data for the minivans?
  • dbtdbt Posts: 298
    Here are 4: 07 06 % change
    Odyssey 49,587 56,054 -11.5%
    Sienna 47,732 54,302 -12.1
    ENTOURAGE 5,923 126
    Sedona 18,622 21,590
    DCX did not report YTD, so you'd have to go back and add them up yourself [YTD for March 07/06: T&C 36,871 / 38,988; C/GC 52,889 / 58,624]
  • lexan1965lexan1965 Posts: 118
    I just wanted to say we got a great deal on a "Special Edition" grand caravan. We hit the Dodge dealership on the last day of their national van sale and we struck it big.
    We bought a 32K van for 23K, tell me that's not a deal! The only thing this van does not have on it are the tire pressure monitors and the pedal adjustment. This dealer wanted to sell and gave us darn near Kelley bluebook on our '02 grand caravan. Expressway Dodge in Evansville, Indiana rocks!
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    Congrats on the deal:)

    I remember seeing the ads for that major minivan sale. They were advertising 0% financing for x number of months or $4000 cashback I believe.

    Is your price before or after all cashbacks? Did you go with the 0% financing?
  • lexan1965lexan1965 Posts: 118
    We did'nt get 0% financing, but with the trade-in, cash back (which totaled 4500 bucks). It was just a great offer we could not turn down. Hopefully with all the "bells 'n whistles" on the vehicle nothing will cause problems. ;)
  • gotoyotagotoyota Posts: 280
    Sedona and Entourage owners beware :P My wife's friend has an '07 Entourage with 20K miles (they drive a lot of freeway) and the tranny just EXPLODED when they were driving on the freeway. They had had some weird shudders between the 2-3 upshift previously, and the dealer told them this was "normal" and they did not think it was a problem. I've heard a few similar complaints in the minivan forums. They looked into trading it in as they've had numerous problems with it (random misfires, no-start, rough running) and this was about all they could handle... but, as with other Hyundai's, depreciation prohibited a trade in - unless they wanted to take a $9k hit.">
  • 11b33t11b33t Posts: 51
    And you post this here because......cricket symphony

    Why not post some data/info here about what the problem may be before coming in here slamming Hyundai? Are you saying that all Sedona/Entourage trannies have a 50/50 chance of EXPLODING with shrapnel spewing up & out into the pasenger compartment as well as slicing into nearby innocents? :confuse:
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Are you saying that all Sedona/Entourage trannies have a 50/50 chance of EXPLODING with shrapnel spewing up & out into the pasenger compartment as well as slicing into nearby innocents?

    He certainly didn't say that, I believe you, my friend, are the one putting that idea into other readers' heads. Got it in for Hyundai/Kia do ya? Sounds kind of like it.

    I think they posted that because this is a "minivan shopping" board, and they wanted to make people aware there may be a problem with Entourage/Sedona transmissions for such an early failure.

    It may also be an anomoly, or related to the way that person drove the van. We may never know.
  • jipsterjipster Posts: 5,345
    I guess it's good in a way that the transmission EXPLODED. :sick:

    That way your wife's friend will get a brand new transmission, instead of a rebuilt one.

    See, you have to look on the bright side in situations like this folks. ;)
  • 11b33t11b33t Posts: 51
    Point taken, and apologies extended to all. I'm not a one brand fan of any vehicle but I am suspicious when someone with a handle of 'gotoyota' comes into a Kia board telling folks about 'exploding' components and horrible depreciation rates on vehicles.

    I hope they (Hyundai) can figure out what happened and let the general public know if this is an anomoly that will be recalled. If not, I'd still like to know what circumstances caused the failure.
  • jipsterjipster Posts: 5,345
    No need to apologize to me. I agree, blanket statements that cover and entire manufacturer in a negative manner, and inflammatory words like "EXPLODE" are to be met with skeptisium.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    a modern transmission just randomly exploding. I don't think anybody on planet earth designs or builds a transmission so poorly that it just explodes.
  • joe97joe97 Posts: 2,248
    With a username of "gotoyota" shows so much credibility :mad:

    All of your posts except this one were in the Ody vs. Sienna thread, yeah, I believe your story...

    (end sarcasm)
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    I agree, it looks a little suspsicious. And I didn't mean to get all fussy (i just re-read my post and it was, I'm sorry :blush: ), but we have to remember some people exaggerate when they see a problem themselves (assuming the transmission did indeed fail, regardless of manner).

    My radiator hose was not clamped on my car and it left me stranded on the interstate two weeks ago. If I'd posted that night, I probably would've talked about my radiator exploding, it being 95 degrees outside, me about to die of thirst, and having to wait forever on a tow truck. Two weeks later, I can more rationally say that my car ran hot, it was warm outside, and the tow truck was there in 45 minutes.

    Its easy to get caught up in the moment.

    I haven't heard of a problem with Sedontourage trannies before that post though, which still makes me think, if that post is real (the writer hasn't returned, so we may never know all the details), it was an anomoly built on a Friday afternoon where one of the worker put the wrong widget in the transmission.
  • siennamisiennami Posts: 116
    Now don't get suspicious because you see the name here, it's just my email. I actually do own an '06 Sedona, although its days may be numbered due to gas prices! I'm just writing because I'm amazed. I checked the Blue Book value of this baby, and to say that I was shocked is a major understatement. My van is 7 mos. old, with a little over 7k miles on it. It is valued at 1k more than the 3-year-old Passat that I traded it for. :( Wow..... I had always heard that about Kias, but I never believed it before.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    I checked the Blue Book value of this baby, and to say that I was shocked is a major understatement. My van is 7 mos. old, with a little over 7k miles on it. It is valued at 1k more than the 3-year-old Passat that I traded it for. Wow..... I had always heard that about Kias, but I never believed it before.

    You didn't research it yourself before buying? Eek! I guess you are surprised. You'd probably be better off just enjoying your van than trading. The low selling value would override the gas you are paying now.
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