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Suzuki Aerio Wagon

revkarevka Posts: 1,750
edited October 20 in Suzuki
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The 2002 Suzuki Aerio will be available in showrooms starting in March. Read the full story here: here. And let us know what you think. Thanks! ;-)

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  • hpulley4hpulley4 Posts: 591
    Anyone know what the curb weight will be? 141hp looks nice. If it isn't much heavier than a Swift then it will really be swift...
  • What are those wheels, like 10" ?
    Otherwise, not too shabby. Has those nice modern pull out door handles. Not something you can say about a $25,000 S40! Not the main reason I'd buy a car, but it doesn't hurt.
  • I think the Suzuki Aerio SX is one of the vehicles that will start a major revolution in car sales.

    In many ways, the Aerio SX is an expression of the so-called "multi-activity vehicle" idea that was pioneered by Renault's ground-breaking Scenic way back in 1996: a vehicle that has very flexible interior arrangements and reasonably roomy, but doesn't have the stigma of a real minivan. Customers who want vehicles with good carrying capacity but want standard automobile parking ability and fuel efficiency will be drawn to these new vehicles. I expect the Pontiac Vibe/Toyota Matrix "twins" to be extremely popular for the very same reason.
  • lngtonge18lngtonge18 Posts: 2,228
    The hideous interior design? Don't tell me it comes with an 80s style digital gauge package on every Aerio!! If so, that automatically marks this car off my list. I can't stand digital gauges, and that center stack design is funky to say the least. I also don't like the rear styling of the hatch model (the rear window looks small, the tailights are a strange mix of the Focus and Volvo V70, and the shape of the hatch is odd). I do like the power of the engine, and the sedan looks sporty in top line trim, similar to the Lancer OZ and Corolla S, but the nose looks too bland and Civicish. Overall, this car will barely make a dent in the market, just like the old Esteem. The SX model may sell better, but its Suzuki name will hold it back compared to the Protege 5, Focus ZX5, and Matrix/Vibe.
  • perry40perry40 Posts: 94
    These are EXACTLY the types of vehicles North Americans need and hopefully want ... it's time the Mini-van (which really aren't "mini") and the S.U.Me craze started to wain ...
  • hpulley4hpulley4 Posts: 591
    ...according to http://www.suzukiauto.com/sr02/aeriosx/index.html


    Only thing they don't list there is the curb weight and final prices.


    I found a Suzuki site in Japan with a PDF in english that listed the curb weight of the Aerio sedan as 2535lbs, though that was with a 1.5L engine. The 2L 16V DOHC engine probably adds a few pounds but for the extra horses, who cares??? Plus, the 5-door could be lighter than the sedan, as it is shorter.


    I really like the handling of the Swift/Metro (really fun to drive) and have always wished for something more powerful and a bit bigger. I love the hatch but 2 doors can be inconvenient so 4 doors plus a hatch sounds really good. Needless to say, I have high hopes for the Aerio SX! The nearest dealer is not that close to me here (about 40km away) but I'll go out there if I must.

  • tistevetisteve Posts: 142
    That picture above is a little misleading. have you been to the Suzuki website and seen it there? Not near as snazzy. I believe the picture above is the concept version that was shown earlier this year. The real production version is a bit more bland.

    I'm disappointed that the real vehicle has not lived up to the hype about it. It was supposed to have 180 hp and AWD available. I don't see any "sport" version like that.
    The styling is a let down. The concept car, although a bit out there, had pretty cool styling. The production version looks like a Colt Vista wagon. (if you remember those)

    I thought this might be a serious contender with the Matrix/Vibe and the Protege5. But I don't think this will even put a dent in those sales. Suzuki has an image problem here in the states and producing boring, basic little cars is part of the problem. This Aerio is not going to help in that department.

    We have an XL-7 and love it. Suzuki is a great buy for the money, I just wish they would come out of the closet and make something that people would say "WOW" about.
  • hpulley4hpulley4 Posts: 591
    I don't know why everyone loves AWD. It hurts performance for the most part (look at the AWD versions of the Vibe/Matrix). With good tires you don't need it, IMO. I want an inexpensive runabout, not an expensive AWD one.

    If they're going to offer a 180hp powerplant, I hope they make it a useful one, not one that gets it at 7600rpm like the Vibe/Matrix GT. That isn't useful for everyday driving, IMO.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    I think the car is a great answer to a Toyota Echo. Also, it does come with a digital dash.
  • jimjpsjimjps Posts: 146
    I am a big fan of the European mini-minivans like Reanault Megane Scenic which we drove and really like. Small outside, really big insideand good power/handling. This looks like the closest thing yet. Dimensions are very similar to Matrix which I had great hopes for, but on closer inspection it really blows it, the ceiling is high and they give away all the advantage with a high floor. SUV syndrome. The interior volumes of Matrix/Vibe are disappointing, way less than a Focus Wagon. I haven't seen dimension yet but I would expect with FWD the Aerio will have a low floor and much room. Also it has bigger displacement than the Matrix/Vibe. Looks hopefull.
  • hpulley4hpulley4 Posts: 591
    I don't see anything new at www.suzuki.com but the Canadian site now has pricing up!


    See http://209.67.7.67/en/auto/aerf-f.htm


    If that doesn't work, go to http://www.suzuki.ca, go to automotive and then choose Aerio Fastback (there is a sedan too).


    The Aerio Fastback SX has more features than a Matrix XR (including ABS, not even available on the Matrix XR) for $2000 less!


    The base Aerio Fastback is almost $900 less than a base Matrix but it includes power windows, intermittent wipers, etc., missing on the base Matrix. The power windows sort of make up for the lack of A/C (base Matrix also lacks A/C but at least with power windows you can open all the windows from your seat to get some airflow).


    With a bigger, more powerful engine (than all but the much more expensive XRS model), the choice for me is pretty obvious. I want something a bit smaller than the Matrix anyway to replace my Geo Metro. I suspect that the Aerio won't have quite the demand that the Matrix has either, so perhaps there won't be a multi-month wait for it.

  • revkarevka Posts: 1,750
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    Here's a direct link to Preview: 2002 Suzuki Aerio, A Little Bit More, by Warren Clarke. What do you think? Thanks for your comments.

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  • Gotta say ... I really love the styling of this car! Didn't Nissan pioneer this look with the Axcess(sp?) over a decade ago?
  • hpulley4hpulley4 Posts: 591
    The Aerio and Elantra GT are priced fairly close, which is to say they are a fair bit under similarly equipped Protege5, Matrix/Vibe and Focus ZX5 cars. It has the most powerful standard engine around. I agree that the sedan is an afterthought in this case, with the fastback SX (Sport Xrossover) being the real deal.

    I'll be test-driving the Aerio soon and my only possible complaint might be the rear suspension. Rear Macpherson struts are usually there on small cars only to accomodate AWD, which it sounds like they are bringing out in the fall; to save costs they decided to use the same suspension with both drivetrains. But for FWD cars that don't have rear differentials, etc. back there, usually they have enough room for a nicer rear multilink suspension like in the P5, Elantra GT and ZX5. The Matrix/Vibe has a nice wishbone in AWD but only torsion-beam axle in FWD which must be there to increase the cargo room (means no strut mounts in the trunk taking up space). Anyway, the test-drive of the Aerio will tell, maybe 4-wheel mac struts won't be so bad after all...
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    It was the Axxess. It came out for one year only, 1990. I think they stopped selling because of their rollover tendency. One of my teachers in school had one, and she said it felt tippy all the time. They only old for one year though, weird.
  • vocus-

    Axxess was sold in the US in the '90 and '91 model years. However, it continued in Canada through the '95 model year. I think it just wasn't particularly popular in the US, and since the Quest was coming for '93, they chose to cancel it.

    -Andrew L
  • revkarevka Posts: 1,750
    is now available in Edmunds' New Vehicle Guide. Look for a direct link in the Helpful Links on the left side of the page. Happy motoring!

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  • I have posted it in another forum, but just want to copy here as well.
    I just came from a test drive of Aerio. It is already available in Canada. I drove the top SX model. Exterior is pretty. The interior is... Well, I don't want to bash the car, but interior is CHEAP. Electronic instruments are hard to read. May be some time behind its wheel would help. Plenty of space, rear seats are higher than front ones, which is nice. Engine has power and torque, but is not refined at all. It is livable, just not up to, let's say, Sentra's or Protege's 2.0L. I really liked suspensions. They are tight, but not harsh. Steering is nice too. 5 speed which I tested is very nice. Throws are short. Synchronizer is really good. Every shift was smooth. Wind and tire noise well dumped (or may be because engine was a bit loud?). Stereo has cassette and CD players with 6 speakers. But sound is so-so. The folding door mirrors are big. My biggest complain is a breakes. They are way too soft. The car is definitely a step above Esteem and if somebody is looking for a Japan made hatchback in a basic form this car definitely should be considered, b/c price is right and it drives pretty nicely. But if you want more refined car and don't mind to spend a little more then look elsewhere.
  • yugoboyyugoboy Posts: 161
    OK guys/gals, i am really interested in purchasing the fastback version of the aerio for my girl friend, wanted to know how suzuki are in the long run, I own an infiniti g20, never had a problem with it, wondering if the suzuki would be the same way or at least somewhat the same for reliability!!!???thanx your input is appreciated!!!
  • hpulley4hpulley4 Posts: 591
    I have a Geo Metro, the sister vehicle to the Suzuki Swift. Mine is a '95 and it is a rock-solid reliable vehicle. Never left me stranded. Only repairs have been maintenence items and wear items (tires, brakes, exhaust, spark plugs, air and oil filters, some emission control valves). It was the first year of the new body-type and yet it was put together quite well. I see tons of them and the older early '90s body type still running just fine.

    The main problem with my car is that it has poor resale value, which is an overall Suzuki problem. They just don't hold their value like Hondas and Toyotas. I want a Fastback for myself but wonder if I can even get 1-2K CND$ as a trade-in on my '95. If I can't get that much then it seems silly to trade in a small and somewhat underpowered but otherwise perfectly running vehicle for a new one, even one as affordable as the Aerio. We'll see -- I may test drive an Aerio tomorrow if it doesn't snow.
  • I've owned 14 vehicles and the three best were all Suzukis, followed by a Mitsu, a Nissan and a Toyota, with a Ford Grenada and a Renault falling far, far behind in a fight for last place. Anyway, I've never had to do anything but routine maintence on the Zukes, so I imagine the Aerio will be fine. I know recall stats aren't the last word on reliability, but over the years they do give a picture of a company's design, manufacturing and quality control capability. According to Transport Canada's recall database, Suzuki had only eight recalls in the 12 model years from 1992 through 2003, putting it dead even with Acura and a little better than Infiniti (9), Lexus (14) and Mercedes (17). Over the same period, Fords were recalled 287 times, Chevys 219.
    Some other nameplates and their 12-year recall records: Nissan 38, Toyota 19, Honda 22, Subaru 24, Mazda 47, BMW 99, VW 41, Volvo 36.
  • On the way home from work yesterday afternoon, a brand new Aerio 5-dr pulled into traffic ahead of me ... someone must've been test driving, 'cause it pulled out of the local Suzuki dealers lot & had a demo plate on it ... anyhoo ... sharp looking rig! This one was silver colour ... real nice ... looks better in the flesh than in photos!
  • hpulley4hpulley4 Posts: 591
    I finally took a test drive today, actually a couple. I took a 5-speed SX hatchback out and a 4-speed auto GLX sedan out.

    The engine is really noisy, and liquid-filled engine mounts or not, lots of vibrations get through to the seat, steering wheel and pedals. More noticable with the auto, probably as I didn't have to think about shifting an unfamiliar car. The engine doesn't have a nice roar, it has an annoying, grating buzz.

    Shift points in the auto are not great for gas mileage, turning over 2100RPM at 50mph or so in 4th gear. For a minute I wasn't sure it had a fourth gear as it didn't want to shift up (maybe just needs a break-in).

    The clutch on the manual is not bad and the shifter is precise but the downshift from 5th to 4th is a bit hard to find.

    The power is nice in a 2600lb car but it feels louder and vibrates more than my 3-banger Metro which means the 6-speaker stereo doesn't sound good at all (though that one does sound better than the 4-speaker one in the GLX). Even with the engine off it isn't a good sounding stereo, especially compared to the one in my Saturn (8-speaker). The stereo is ugly too and has strange controls. If it has fade, I couldn't find it.

    In reality, having a Geo Metro with A/C and a stereo would probably be just as good for a one-person commuter car. In fact, the 4-speaker boombox with an mp3 player in the back seat of my Metro sounds better than the 6-speaker Clarion so all I'm really missing with my current ride is the A/C...

    Cruise control is on the centre console??? Whose idea was that?

    Never could figure out the driver's seat height adjustment. Overall, the seating feels high like a minivan, not like a car. Without being able to adjust the height I was _just_ able to adjust tilt and seat position back and forth to where I was comfortable.

    Digital instruments are weird -- I'm sure I could get used to them but I find that I can 'read' analog gauges in my peripheral vision while a numerical speed indication is not readible unless you are looking right at it, and its varying brightness (by more or less LEDs lit) is distracting.

    Handling of the SX with 15" aluminum wheels and low-profile tires was a bit better than the GLX with 14" steel wheels and 65 profile tires.

    On paper I really liked the car but I think I need something more refined at this point, which is too bad.

    The car is more powerful but so much heavier than my Metro (700 pounds more) that it doesn't feel nearly as nimble. Sad, as I was hoping to like the car. Does look really nice in blue too.

    Guess I'll go test drive a Vibe and maybe a P5. And I should wait for the Saturn ION which will have an counterbalance-shaft equipped ECOTECH engine like the smooth, quiet, powerful one in my LW200. Just goes to show that power isn't everything.

    Oh well, not everyone shares my opinion as many of the ones on the lot were already sold and they haven't even advertised them yet.
  • artdechoartdecho Posts: 337
    The SX was on my short list, along with the Vibe, Matrix, VUE & CR-V.....sorry to hear it disappointed you. We currently have a '93 4 door Sidekick.....although unrefined, noisy and under-powered, it's been dead-reliable...Suzuki's just don't seem to break or require any upkeep other than normal wear & tear items. Too bad the SX is so unrefined....Suzuki could have a winner here if they'd sweated the details a bit more. Still, I'll test drive it too to see for myself.
    Oh, & I'm with you on the digital instruments....biggest disappointment of the interior....what were they thinking?
  • hpulley4hpulley4 Posts: 591
    everything else will really have to suck for me to pick it. The Aerio sale was Suzuki's to lose as I loved it on paper but the lack of refinement was really disappointing. I think it would be worth a few dollars more for something quieter.

    The Elantra GT and ZX5 are really putting me off by their looks; I don't even think I can bring myself to test drive them. I'm waiting for a Vibe test drive and should do the P5 too, though its looks don't really grab me either. If the Vibe and P5 are poor in the engine power department then I'll reconsider the Aerio again.

    The liquid-filled engine mounts had me hoping for a refined ride but I guess they really had to hop up that engine to get it to go 141hp with all 135lb-ft of torque available down at 3000rpm -- it must be practically race tuned for an 87 octane motor. That plus the two-stage timing chain which is known to be very reliable, but noisy -- again, sounds like racecar tuning.
  • artdechoartdecho Posts: 337
    I actually like the looks of the P5....just not sure if there's enough cargo capacity for us. I prefer the Focus wagon to the ZX5 but wouldn't touch either 'til they get their reliability/recall issues worked out. Still not sure abouy Hyundai quality-wise either. Have you checked out the Subaru TS wagon....I know you don't need AWD but at $21995 for a very-well equipped 5 speed, it's a pretty good deal.
  • hpulley4hpulley4 Posts: 591
    On paper, I like the TS but in person it really looks ugly to me (to this beholder -- many others may like the styling of the Subie). I just checked one out on the highway again today and the verdict is still, ugly. I know styling shouldn't count for so much but I'll have to look at it every day so if I hate it, I'll hate it. I like the look of the Aerio but many people don't, takes all kinds and all that.
  • QualityQuality Posts: 17
    Finally getting out and doing some test drives for my new unit. Took a Matrix base auto with the "B" package (power door locks, air conditioning, and alloy rims)for a spin today. I thought this was going to be my next car, but now I am not so sure. I thought the interior was kind of cheap, the metal that is supposed to metal is and looks like plastic. The ride was comfortable and felt assured, but the power that people have been noting on the Matrix site is " suspicious ". My Suzuki Esteem (1.8 litre and 122 horsepower with the auto had more bang for the buck) I, frankly expected more from the more powerful 130 horsepower engine. There is nothing wrong with the power I am just comparing it with another engine which I previously owned. Anyhow, they wanted $21,000.00 Canadian for this vehicle. I can't see it. It did not feel like a $21,000.00 vehicle, as equipped. I was not planning on taking a peak at the Aerio because quite frankly I do not like the styling. I think my Esteem looked better. But, I am going to take a look at the Aerio because it may represent good value, especially when compared to a $21,000.00 similar vehicle, re-sale value notwithstanding.
  • QualityQuality Posts: 17
    Went for a spin today and the drive was O.K. The engine was a little growly as noted by others, but so was my 1.8 litre Esteeem. The same sort of sound, I kind of like it. Instead of 122 horsepower you have a 141 horsepower growl. Not a big deal. The interior is "different" Sort of feminine styling and digital readouts, which I did not mind particularly (the digital readouts). I thought the automatic shifter area looked kind of cheap though. The cargo space seems good but I did not like the drop off effect in the rear. The SX version has a flat cargo area by comparison. According to the guys at the dealership you can get this automatic version for about 19K, including freight. I think that represents better value that the Matrix I test drove, which they wanted approximately 21K for and which was less well equipped and has a smaller motor. I would buy this car over the Matrix and others, but I am left with the styling issue of the whole car. I just doesn't make me want to buy it.
  • TupTup Posts: 200
    In Canada the Matrix XR costs about $1600 more than the Base with the "B" package and gives you quite a bit more for that $1600. Power windows, power side mirrors, leather steering wheel, better center console, side skirts etc. Also, the power of the corolla/matrix engine is higher in the rpm band and better utilized by a 5 speed.
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