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Subaru Baja

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    C&D's 0-60 was quicker than the Explorer Sport Trac, quicker than the Frontier Super Charged, even quicker than the last Forester they sampled!

    Their photo was photochopped, I wonder if Subaru will sue them for that.

    881 Bajas in October. That's not good, new models should be in high demand. I think they may have missed by putting too much standard equipment (and price) in them.

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,652
    not enough standard equipment like: dual-range tranny, self-levelling rear suspension, "real" switchback/mid-gate, H-6/supercharged 2.5, etc.

    They need to sell 1667 a month to make 20K a year. Ain't gonna' happen...

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    That pace is a lot slower than the Aztek. Ouch. Though Pontiac has about 1 billion dealers. It's about as many Axioms as Isuzu was selling.

    They had better reconfigure it quickly, maybe even make it a mid-year change, a 2003.5 model.

    Adding the H6 and the stuff you want might help a little, if the price doesn't get too out of hand, but I really believe a lesser equipped model would sell more briskly.

    Plus, Subaru isn't going to invest any more if doesn't think the Baja will succeed. So do the "Value" model first, with:

    * 16" steel wheels from the Forester X
    * drop the leather
    * drop the heated seats + LSD, or make it a separate $400 AWP
    * drop the cladding, make it look like Outback

    Then knock $2 grand off the MSRP at least.

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,652
    But I do agree about the cladding. If the Baja had the same cladding that the Outback has (maybe in silver to differentiate the two), it would look 100% better than it does now. And, yeah, a high-value/bottom-feeder model should be included too.

    Bob
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,652
    that when Subaru does well in terms of sales, SOA promotes it on the first page of their media site. When they do poorly, like this month (down 3%), you have to search* the site for the sales news.

    * = it's under "releases."

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I think their lineup has improved, it's just that there is far more AWD competition now.

    In one way or another, each Subie competes with these newly available AWD models:

    OBS: Matrix, Vibe, Aerio
    Forester: Outlander, Vue
    Outback: Rendezvous, Jag X Type, V70 AWD

    Baja is all new but it has to compete with Element for the attention of Gen Y.

    And if you look at how many new wagons are offered, the list gets longer. Subaru had the AWD wagon market almost to itself, not so any more.

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,652
    This will be interesting to watch: Element vs. Baja, in terms of sales. They're both going after the same audience, in many cases.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Yeah, but when you're talking about a trendy vehicle it's much easier to sustain sales when you're talking $20k average prices vs. $23k or so.

    It's received similar criticism - too heavy, not enough engine, too much cladding. I bet the lower price alone (yes, with less content, but still) will ensure it sells better.

    -juice
  • Geez, Subara is already fixing a transmission problem with these things? Yeesh.
  • subearusubearu Posts: 3,613
    On the contrary - it's just that these batches of transmissions noted in the recall are suspect of weaker park rods. The transmission, gears, etc. are fine.

    The 4EAT has been used for years in Subies and is pretty robust.

    -Brian
  • skiweeskiwee Posts: 28
    A lot of discussion has been devoted to color, equpment, pricing, marketing strategy, wish lists, etc. Could some of you owners provide a personal review of your Baja, i.e., likes, dislikes, driving tips, vehicle quirks, etc. I'm sure a lot of readers would find that information useful.
    Mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    The tranny has been around for ages, it was just a coincidence that a problem crept up now. Less than 800 are affected. I still say the auto is very robust and reliable.

    Good idea, Mike. How does it handle when you push it? How's the steering? How's the ride over pot holes, and the structure overall? You happy with the tire selection? Body roll, brake dive and squat?

    -juice
  • I went to check out a Baja today. I really like it but as the conversation here suggests, it is too cost prohibitive right now. I am amazed at the standard features. I too wish they offered an entry level Baja without all of the standard options. I can live without leather seats, moonroof, all power, and cruise control. The salesman told me they were having real trouble selling them. He told me to keep in touch as Subaru "might" be doing something to move them within the next month or two. It's too bad that they are off to such a slow start as the Baja is a really unique vehicle.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Moonroof, that was the other thing. Not heated seats.

    Just things that could be deleted for a "value" model.

    I say replace perforated leather with cloth, alloys with steelies, and delete the moonroof. Those 3 could take prices to near $20 grand without even incentives.

    -juice
  • barresa62barresa62 Posts: 1,379
    on Saturday. I was told that the H6 is definitely coming next year for the Baja as an additional model (option?). As on the OB LL Bean & VDC, it will only be offered w/an automatic. The maroon Baja in the showroom had the optional tonneau cover. About a third of it from the rear window back is hard plastic and screwed on to bed. The remaininng 2/3 is a snap-on vinyl cover. The cost of the cover, along w/the overhead lights on the luggage rack was $1500.

    Stephen
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    $1500? Ouch. MSRP I hope?

    An H6 option sounds good, but I still say the volume is in the $20k price range, not above current prices.

    -juice
  • barresa62barresa62 Posts: 1,379
    I think that the cover should either be all hard or all soft, not in-between.

    I also remember being told that the parts mgr was down in CA at some parts seminar and saw a canopy for the Baja. He was thinking about having it available through their dealership. My salesguy and I laughed at this prospect combo and suggested getting ....drumroll please....an OB for less money. :-)

    Stephen
  • skiweeskiwee Posts: 28
    on Friday juice. Will let you know my driving impressions. Will be driving to New Milford,Ct from New Jersey dealer. Lots of twisting country roads. $1500 for the cover!!! How about I throw a tarp on the back...
    Mike
  • I bought something called a "TrukSak" for about $30.
    Its sort of a heavy vinyl pouch that holds about 7cf. I had to get a little creative in attaching it since it was made for pickups where the bed is seperate from the body, I ended up putting a crossbar at the front of the bed behind the chrome bars and looping it over that. It rolls up when not in use and leaves the switchback and everything else accessible. And its black, so it matches the bed.

    Paul.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Stephen: that's funny. I had considered getting a crew cab with a cap instead of an SUV, for the same reason - they cost less. Back then, anyway, nowadays even compact crew cabs easily hit $26-30k.

    But they drove like trucks. I tried my buddy's Dakota and a Nissan. Brutes, both of them.

    Mike: now you're talking. A tarp costs, what, $10?

    Paul: sounds crafty. I love solutions like that. Did you get any pics? If so I can host them for you. Also, do you have a link to any on-line stores that might have it?

    -juice
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