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  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Show me something comparable for the $. Not to mention you are comparing MSRP to MSRP, the actual retail price of a Forester is less.

    What about a 40K+ version of the Contour, that is touted as a jag? :)

    -mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    $25k is a low price nowadays, even if Subaru did charge that. I think the average transaction, per NADA, is above $24 grand, and the average car doesn't have AWD or 235 lb-ft of torque.

    Go price a Liberty - they hit $28k easily when well equipped. And the Forester will run circles around one.

    Escape and CR-V cost less but don't have half the features/content. In fact, the Forester leads the class in terms of content. Who else gives you a moonroof that big? Or heated seats/mirrors plus front and rear windshield de-icers?

    -juice
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    The Tribute/Escape have part-time 4wd, not full-time.

    -mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Foresters with MSRPs in the $28k price range currently carry about a $3 grand discount on their street prices.

    Imagine a turbo for $22 grand, maybe a tad more, suddendly sounds like a bargain, no?

    Even an auto Premium with leather ought to run about $28k, with a street price of $25k or so.

    -juice
  • I need to get a better job. Paying that much for a Forester seems sick to me. The 03 WRXs are priced at $21 even. That is acceptable. Looks like my Golf TDI at $16k was a bargain. Liberty sport can be had for $17k here.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,692
    I doubt it, unless it was a bare-bones 2WD. Here's the Liberty page(s) from FitzMall, which are some of the best price anywhere, and none of them are anywhere near $17K. $19,654 is the cheapest one I found, and most are well above this figure, even Sport models.

    http://www.fitzmall.com/carfind/resultsa.asp?mode=NEW&lstMake- - =JEEP|LIBERTY

    Sounds to me like you're thinking in terms of 1996-like prices, or even earlier. Welcome to 2003.

    Bob
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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Thomas: then don't (pay that much for a Forester). The X model will still be available. I've seen some for around $18.7k, freight included! I has everything one could argue they "need", the rest are frills.

    Price a Liberty with 4WD, then add the V6, which is still slower than Subaru's 2.5l BTW. Now add ABS, cruise, keyless, power this and that, and you're at $20k I bet. And you're equipment is equivalent to the X model.

    The Sports don't come that well equipped, if you analyze it closely.

    -juice
  • diverup1diverup1 Posts: 3
    Does anyone know if there are plans for a fiberglass bed cap. I think it woul be a nice alternative to the locking lid.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,692
    in the Baja turbo teaser brochure, that I picked up at the NY show, that the hard cargo lid SNUGLID is mentioned. Not only is it mentioned, but it is featured on the cover photo, as well as the large inside photo too.

    The way it's worded, however, suggests that it may(?) be considered a 3rd-party option, and not an official SOA option. Still, I think it is significant that it is mentioned in the Baja turbo teaser brochure. That at least lends a "stamp of SOA approval" of some sort...

    http://www.snugtop.com/wn_02snuglid_subaru.htm

    Bob
  • A locald ealer has trhe new Baja S for $19,800. The original Baja for $20,600. Duh, which one to choose? :)
    What happened to the $18-18,500 prices for the Baja S?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    The Sport is a new model and the incentives may not apply for it. Eventually, they will, you just have to be patient. You want to have the first Sport on the block? The discount from MSRP is much smaller than the leather clad model.

    Keep in mind some people prefer cloth. I wish I had cloth on my Miata, for instance, and yes I'd be willing to trade for a tan colored cloth set in decent condition.

    -juice
  • oregonboyoregonboy Posts: 1,653
    Juice, have you checked Ebay?

    I've been shopping for buckets and a console/armrest to replace the split bench in my Tacoma. Haven't found the perfect set yet but quite a few seem to come & go at pretty reasonable prices. The same may be true for Miata seats.

    -james
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    No, but that's an interesting thought. Guess it hasn't been bothering me, but then again it's only starting to get hot now. In mid-summer the seats get sticky-hot, it's nasty.

    At least the Baja's are perforated.

    -juice
  • jay_24jay_24 Posts: 536
    Ok its not fair but I found this to be interesting.

    As some have noted here the Baja has a light payload of just over 1000 lbs. Well the big brute Avalanche has only just over 1200 lbs payload.

    --jay
  • dcm61dcm61 Posts: 1,472
    Payload is 800 lbs. IIRC, less than any other Subaru.

    DaveM
  • jay_24jay_24 Posts: 536
    Could be 800, Edmunds said 1000 and I couldn't find it on Subaru's page.

    Even so 1200 for a full size Avalanche is poor.

    --jay
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,692
    The Baja's payload is 800 pounds, at least for MY '03. The '04 Baja has a 1.1" increase in ground clearance. I'm hoping(!) that's dues to stiffer springs, which will result in a bit more payload capacity; but don't know for sure yet.

    And yes, the Avalanche 1500 also has a lousy payload considering its size. The Avalanche 2500 more than likely has a payload of ~ 2000 pounds or more, however.

    However, considering it's mission in life 1200 pounds is probably OK. I wish the Baja's payload was ~ 1000 – 1100 pounds, which is in the neighborhood of the Explorer Sport Trac. I think that's possible and realistic, but it may have to wait until the next-generation Baja debuts.

    Speaking of lousy payloads, did you know Ford's huge 4x4 Excursion only has a payload of around 1600–1700 pounds? You can thank its enormous curb weight for that. A comparable Chevy Suburban 2500 has a payload of roughly a 1000 pounds more!

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Went to the Subie dealer yesterday to drive one, but at 9pm they were about to close.

    And get this - they only had ONE left in stock, a yellow one on the showroom floor! The incentives and that web coupon for $500 off appeared to have worked, they sold out! Wow. I'd love to see April sales figures.

    I told the sales guy I'd seen on in NY, that the small lift made it look beefier and the colors were better. He seemed excited about it. They are no longer sitting on the lots, and even small improvements ought to help.

    He didn't know when the turbo would come, funny he actually asked me what they said at the NY show.

    He told me the Sports sell for about $1000 less than the regular models on average.

    Bummer I didn't get to drive one, but the news is encouraging.

    -juice
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    How much larger we'll be able to go with tires on the new Baja?

    Hopefully that rear lift also made room for some beefier tires, which could give you a further lift.

    -mike
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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Good point, Mike. I bet there is some room for more tire. Wonder if a full size spare would squeeze in, too.

    -juice
  • bat1161bat1161 Posts: 1,784
    Silly question as I forgot to look at the autoshow, but where does the spare go on the Baja. I don't recall seeing anything underneath, and it looked like there was no "hatch" to access from the bed.

    Mark
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    It's under the cargo bed, but it's a donut.

    -juice
  • ningabeningabe Posts: 12
    I am about to become a first time Subaru owner.
    I should be taking delivery of a Yellow Baja next week. From the reading I've done most people don't like the cladding & yellow, but that is what first attracted me to it on TV and the internet. What are other peoples experiences?

    I'm getting rid of a '97 Rav4 which I've never had 1 day of trouble with so I hope the change will be a good one. Any fun stories or experiences while I wait?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    It is a brochure color, meant to attract attention. Guess it worked! :-)

    Sales were down a little in April after a really hot March, they were under 1000.

    CR just reviewed the Baja, in the current issue. Check it out.

    -juice
  • baja7baja7 Posts: 14
    I, too, waiting for a yellow Baja-Turbo I hope.

    I agree with Juice, the yellow is a photo-opt color, it looks different in person, more orange.

    Any info on new colors and price for 2004?

    Bill
  • ningabeningabe Posts: 12
    Yep, worked on me. Have always wanted a yellow vehicle. And I think the Baja is the best looking one I've seen. Pick it up on Weds. Patience.....
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    At the NY show they had a black and a gray, both looked nice, both subtle two-tones. I prefer those over the current colors.

    Hey, CR just rated it pretty highly, above the CR-V overall.

    -juice
  • ningabeningabe Posts: 12
    It just seems like every other car out there is silver.

    Glad to see the high rating with CR. What did they say about it? Are there any known issues with the Baja I should be looking for?
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