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Subaru Baja

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  • once_for_allonce_for_all Posts: 1,640
    if I was an owner, I would absolutely love it. But I can't be an owner because my head is in the roof and my knee is in the center counsel.

    The problem of how to satisfy POTENTIAL owners is more critical than current owners IMO.

    John
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Tacoma v. Baja, no competition in my mind. I'm a big fan of subies, but I'd never get the baja over a "regular" pickup truck that is within 4-5K in price. I see the Baja as an alternative for folks who would otherwise buy an Outback but want the outside storage.

    -mike
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Anyone have links to hard covers for the Baja?

    -mike
  • bat1161bat1161 Posts: 1,784
    Mike-

    Try http://www.tonnocover.com/

    They may have something.

    Mark
  • yooperyooper Posts: 30
    This isn't the first time....

    I was at the gas station today and pumping gas next to a older guy in a full size truck. He wanders over and says he hasn't seen one of these before, what kind is it? He also comments on the All Wheel Drive. He asks what kind of mileage I get (I've hit 30 mpg a few times on the highway). I show him the switchback door and told him I have hauled a riding mower in the back. He then comments it sure is a lot better than this (he motions to his truck which is STILL pumping gas). He was pumping before I started and was still pumping when I left and I tanked a near empty Baja.

    Subaru of America.... Are you listening.... The gas station is your platform for advertising the Baja. It has been stated in several posts in recent months.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,724
    Very true, as I was pumping a whole bunch of $2.01-per today to fill my Explorer's belly.

    Bob
  • once_for_allonce_for_all Posts: 1,640
    yep, MSN Autos has selected the Baja as a second year repeat winner in the small compact pickup category for "Most Appeal".

    But, the Baja concept has tremendous appeal, but will never get me in one with my head in the roof and my knee in the center counsel.

    My Forester has 1 1/2" more head and a full inch leg. Note, the new OB and Legacies are even better space-wise than the Forester.

    Putting the Baja on the new OB chassis should clear up a lot. Better yet, putting it on the new 7 passenger platform will really help.

    Either way, the fatal flaw of the current generation Baja is its interior size, followed by lack of bed size, followed by mediocre payload. It doesn't make sense for Subaru to spend money advertising a vehicle that suffers from these fatal flaws. Correct them, and it will sell itself.

    John
  • once_for_allonce_for_all Posts: 1,640
    That reminds me of the lifeguards using Brats back in the 70's to patrol Hungtington Beach. Nothing like a bright yellow AWD pickup to draw attention from teenagers.

    John
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Nice rack! lol

    Looks like aluminum? Shouldn't be that heavy either.

    -juice
  • speaking... Honda just announced some more details on the Ridgeline SUT, it will have 1,000 lb payload, room for 5 adults, 255 hp V-6 5 speed auto, VTM 4 wheel drive, and a 5 foot bed.

    Photos show 4 moon roofs (or maybe it is a front and a back with a divider). Can't tell if they open or are a fixed affair.

    John
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    5 adults, yeah a ford festiva also seats 5 adults, would you want to put 5 adults in it? Probably not.

    -mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Ridgeline is wide enough, though. Maybe 4 adults and one child.

    I think the point is the Baja doesn't even give you the option to squeeze a 5th passenger, kids or adults.

    -juice
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Finally, CR reported that reliability numbers have improved and they now recommend the Baja.

    It was the only Subaru not to earn their Recommended stamp since...well, since I can remember! Must have been at least a decade.

    -juice
  • yooperyooper Posts: 30
    My Theory on CR.

    I think they had a small sample size for the first year of the Baja. Instead of stating insufficient data, which they did on the Chrysler Pacifica (I think the Pacifica had higher production numbers too), they gave the Baja a poor score based on a few complaints. I feel CR may be partly to blame for poor Baja sales based on their insufficient data and giving it a poor score. My perception of CR dropped after the Baja report. They went from recommending it to avoiding it. Hmmmmm. Seems someone would have noticed and recommended a second look before jumping to conclusions, especially based on Subaru's reputation.

    As for my Baja. The only flaw it has had in 11 1/2 months and 17,000 miles is a trim button on the drivers door was missing when new. Dealer fixed it with no questions. That is better than the most of the cars CR tests.

    Yooper
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I wonder if they have a cut off for a certain sample size. Dunno.

    What's very strange is they haven't rated a lot of Hyundais lately at all, I wonder if owners aren't filling out the surveys, or perhaps CR readers just don't buy many of them?

    -juice
  • I left my bed extender off and out in the cold (California cold) and it was four inches too narrow to fit back in a week later. I had to tweak it with a jack to make it fit back in. Does aluminum shrink in the cold ? Anyone else experience this ?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    4" sounds a bit extreme for any material to shrink. Was there some hardware missing?

    -juice
  • yooperyooper Posts: 30
    I was on the CarConnection website
    (http://www.thecarconnection.com/vehicleratings.asp)
    and plugged in the data for a 2003 Baja to see what JD Powers rated it. It was rated as follows:

    Mechanical Quality: 4 out of 5
    Body and Interior Quality: 5 out of 5
    Overall Quality: 4 out of 5

    In comparison, the 2004 Toyota RAV4 was 3 of 5 on overall quality.

    .....and Consumer Reports recommended avoiding the 2003 Baja? I still think they had some bogus figures to work with.

    Yooper
  • gxb159gxb159 Posts: 46
    I am trying to figure out if this will hold by ATV. It is 40" wide and 70" long. Anyone tried this before? I was figuring it may fit with the tailgate down and the bed extender removed, just winch strap it in. Any thoughts?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Very small sample, is my guess.

    Indeed, Baja is not rated better than average, as we suspected it would do all along.

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,724
    There has been so much talk of how poor the Baja sales are, here and elsewhere; but I wonder how the sales compare with other Subie slow-seller models?

    For example, how do Baja sales compare against:

    • Outback Sedan?
    • Impreza RS sedan or wagon?
    • Legacy 2.5i sedan?
    • Outback VDC?
    • STi?

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Those all use existing bodies for the most part. The Outback sedan is the only one that requires much that is unique, and even then it's just cladding.

    Any how, I think it was 7% of Outbacks are sedans, so that's about 400 units per month. Baja sells about 600, so that is a good point.

    STi deserves a pass because that is a halo car. Even if it loses money it generates enthusiasm and a ton of good press for Subaru.

    RS is an Outback Sport with monotone paint and minus the cross bars. Probably costs them pennies extra.

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,724
    http://www.powco.net/img/nasioc/BajaCover1.jpg

    http://www.powco.net/img/nasioc/BajaCover2.jpg

    http://www.powco.net/img/nasioc/BajaCover3.jpg

    Found these over at nabisco. As I had mentioned earlier, these models are finally arriving at dealers. The bed cover is very similar to the one found on the Explorer Sport Trac. There are two locks on it, one for the front portion, and one for the rear portion, so it flips open from both the back and the front. I have no idea how hard it is to remove or install.

    I was told a while back that this hard bed cover may (?) become an option on future Bajas. My guess it will be an '06 Baja option—but it's just a guess...

    Frankly, while certainly better than anything else currently out there, I really hope Subaru engineers a hard, lockable, roll-top bed cover on the next generation Baja (if there's a next generation Baja).

    Also, this Baja turbo w/leather is only available in automatic. :(

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Nice custom fit plus it matches. Thumbs up.

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,724
    to someone who just bought one over at nabisco, the owner's manual states that it is NOT waterproof. Water-resistant, yes, but not waterproof. Also the key lock was reportedly hard to turn. Speaking of the lock, it didn't look up to typical SOA quality standards from what I could see. So it sounds like they're not quite there yet.

    Bob
  • yooperyooper Posts: 30
    I'm not sure about an ATV, depends on the wheel base of the ATV. I haul a minature Ford Model T (like a go cart) that is 72 inches long, but the wheels are not on the extreme corners like many ATV's. It barely fits.... and I mean barely. The rear wheel is on the lip of the tailgate and I strap it down real well.

    My solution....still in progress.... I have a hitch on my Baja and I am going to use a load extender in the receiver. It T's up and helps support longer loads by placing the weight on the hitch instead of the tailgate. I am then going to build a platform to carry my Mini Model T on that. I am sure it work for an ATV too.

    One note about the above solution. The spacing is VERY tight with the receiver hitch and the license plate in the down position.

    Yooper
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Make sure you put the heavier end towards the front, to maintain good weight balance and not lose steering control.

    In other words, I'd put the engine side towards the bed's front.

    -juice
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    image

    Tossed in 18" BBS rims while I was at it!

    -juice
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