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CR-V vs Escape

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  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    have pointed out its for the 2005? How come it says 2 reviews for Escape and 170 for the CRV right at the top of this page then? :confuse:
  • steverstever Ex Yooper, en route to New MexicoPosts: 40,506
    Heh, so it does; I wondered where you saw that. Beats me! I'll have to ask what the deal is - looks like something isn't getting incremented right. Thanks Scape!

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  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,797
    have pointed out its for the 2005? How come it says 2 reviews for Escape and 170 for the CRV right at the top of this page then? :confuse:

    Escape drivers are too busy at the dealership getting recalls and warranty repair done, while CR-V drivers have all the time they need to post on Edmunds khe khe khe :-)
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,683
    i still think it's funny that most escape posters point out how much they like their vehicles, but other non owners post mostly negative generalities about them.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
    but other non owners post...

    I'm not sure your generalization is accurate but, just for the record, ownership of a specific vehicle is not a prerequisite for contributing to the discussion of a specific vehicle on these boards! :)

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,683
    tides... i don't disagree with you, but posting negative comments about a vehicle that you have no expierience with, is not what i consider a 'contribution'.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
    "Contributions" come in all colors and flavors! Nevertheless, people do give greater credence to information and opinions provided by owners and will weigh contributions accordingly. (In fact, ownership IS a prerequisite for publishing in our Consumer Ratings and Reviews!)

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  • steverstever Ex Yooper, en route to New MexicoPosts: 40,506
    Ok, the pull for the consumer reviews at the top come from the most recent model year. So we're pulling the two reviews for the '06 Escape but not the ~234 ones for the 2005 Escape. The CR-V is still in '05 model mode so that's why the 170 reviews show up for it.

    You can see them all by going to New Cars under the Edmunds.com tab and drilling down to Consumer Reviews.

    Hope this helps.

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  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,797
    i still think it's funny that most escape posters point out how much they like their vehicles, but other non owners post mostly negative generalities about them.

    One flaw with your conclusion.

    WE OWN BOTH, a 2005 CR-V EX and a 2005 ESCAPE XLT. How many people here have both in the same household? If there are others, we are the only ones who can truly compare them side by side.

    I drive CR-V most of the time, while She drives the Escape, but sometimes we switch, if one is parked infront of the other. I can compare them, you can't. You have a one sided opinion, while I have both...
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    is Edmunds still pulling from the 05 model year of CRV? Then pulling from 06 model year of Escape for reviews?? :confuse: This makes no sense whatsever??
  • mikefm58mikefm58 Posts: 2,882
    You own one of each from the same model year? I'm impressed. I'm curious to know your opinions about each and also about your buying experience with them.
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    At the same time.. I have both an 01 Escapt XLT V6 4WD and an 04 Mazda Tribute ES V6 4WD in my garage. So.. to make the generalization that all Escapes/Tributes are at the dealership getting recall work done is a bit ignorant. I have had no major issues with my vehicles. AND. how about all those recalls with the CRV? or the Combustable Recreation Vehicle issues?? CRV is not without issues. Get out on the net, people have thier gripes, moans and woes with CRV's also....
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,797
    is Edmunds still pulling from the 05 model year of CRV? Then pulling from 06 model year of Escape for reviews?? This makes no sense whatsever??

    Probably because the 2006 CR-V is not going to be out for another month and a half.
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,797
    You own one of each from the same model year? I'm impressed. I'm curious to know your opinions about each and also about your buying experience with them.

    I posted comparison earlier in the thread. Each has it positives and negatives.

    As far as buying experience, buying Honda was like pulling teeth out of the dealer, it was a lengthy negotiations process. Ford was basically happy that we were interested in it, and would do whatever we asked to make sure we bought one.

    There are only 2 Honda dealers in a 60 mile radius, while there are 5 Fords in just our area. Plus, I wanted a very rare, almost oxymoronic, SUV with a manual transmission. Luckily Honda by us had one, but I made a mistake by letting them know that I only wanted a manual.

    Escape manual (4 cyl, 2WD) is a dog compare to CR-V manual (4 cyl, AWD). CR-V manual (4 cyl, AWD) is as fast if not faster than Escape XLT (V6, AWD, auto). Just the fact that this thread exists, means that Honda's 4 Cyl is a formidable threat to Ford's V6.
  • steverstever Ex Yooper, en route to New MexicoPosts: 40,506
    Probably because the 2006 CR-V is not going to be out for another month and a half.

    Bingo! ;)

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,683
    your profile is not up to date.
    last weekend i installed a 2 inch receiver hitch on my wife's escape. based on the installation times posted on the etrailer site, i figured it wouldn't be a big deal.
    the local rv place where i bought it wanted about $40 to install it.
    it took me hours, but i finaly got it installed. the mounting bolts had to be fished through the frame. there were 2 choices, take off the back bumper and run them through the end of the frame, or grind out one of the access holes in the frame on each side and fish the bolts and backing plates through there. i did option 2. once i learned how to set up the fishing wire, it wasn't too bad. of course i fished some of the bolts through the wrong holes, and had to fish them from one hole to another, too.
    i am sure some crv owner will post how much easier it is to do on a crv. ;)
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,797
    A CR-V owner has a choice. Get OEM hitch from Honda and follow OEM installtation instructions, which do require drilling and fiddling
    OEM Hitch install

    Or go with e-trailer's no drilling version
    E-trailer

    P.S. Thanks for pointing out the profile, it is updated now.
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    are you towing with your Escape to need a 2" reciever???? Remember, these only tow 3,500lbs, along wtih... it is recommended having the tow package...I tow my two watercraft and trailer. I Estimate about 1800lbs. Add gear up over 2000lbs. Add people, more gear to vehicle.. and it goes up from there. So far so good. Never had any issues.

    "4cyl manual faster than V6 in Escape" Here we go again, and again, and again. You fail to mention you have absolutely redline the 4cyl through each gear in order to achieve this goal. %99.0 of CRV owners with manual transmission don't redline thier vehicles on a normal basis I would bet.... :P
  • drive62drive62 Posts: 637
    And I'm thinking 99.0% of V6 Escape owners don't mash the gas pedal to the floor from a standstill.

    Here we go again, and again, and again. Real data being ignored.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,683
    the hitch i installed is on the no drill list too(hidden hitch). technically, i had to grind not drill. :) my bike rack uses a 2 inch receiver, so now i don't have to leave the explorer at home when the wife wants to go find a bike trail. i am not planning on towing anything. my explorer has the towing package, but noone will rent me a trailer. :sick:
  • dromedariusdromedarius Posts: 307
    Actually, it goes even further than that. You have to POWER BRAKE to get those numbers with an automatic. That's what the car mags do. And I'd guess it's even more unlikely that someone will power brake an automatic than redline a Honda, since Hondas love to be revved. And again, who cares about 0-60 anyway? How many times does one do it in the lifetime of a car. I've NEVER done it in 14 years of driving.
  • dromedariusdromedarius Posts: 307
    Ford's profits dropped by 19% in the 2nd quarter. Scape has claimed Honda is as good as dead, so I thought this was relevant.
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,797
    Ford's profits dropped by 19% in the 2nd quarter. Scape has claimed Honda is as good as dead, so I thought this was relevant.

    Honda made $10,000,000 just from shipping soy beans grown in Ohio to Japan in the empty engine/tranny containers. Pretty smart idea, I think.
  • drive62drive62 Posts: 637
    I was going to mention how Honda engines love to be revved but didn't want to deal with the retorts. You seem much more up to it ;) .
  • drive62drive62 Posts: 637
    "Honda made $10,000,000 just from shipping soy beans grown in Ohio to Japan in the empty engine/tranny containers. Pretty smart idea, I think."

    I agree. Do you have a link to where you read this? I'd like to learn more. Thank you.
  • steverstever Ex Yooper, en route to New MexicoPosts: 40,506
    Here's one link about it:

    Chicago Tribune Jim Mateja Column (carinsurance.com)

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  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    Once again you fail to tell the whole story. Typical Honda move.. 19% in relation to last years second quarter? 1st quarter of this year? What about Honda's sales that have gone flat? Accord and even CRV sales aren't doing that great. Thier sales chart shows what looks to be close to a flat line. JD powers reported Honda's customer satisfaction is also down. You get me all wrong. I am not predicting the end of Honda. What I am saying is Honda's glory days are over. With the internet and the free passage of information people are finding out things about Honda and its "reliability". Please, man, get out on the net, visit other rooms. People are having issues with Honda's. Now, back to this % thing. Numbers can be twisted and turned. You need to realize Ford build more in F series trucks and Rangers than Honda builds in all thier line-ups combined. Get it? percentages for Ford vs percentages for Honda differ on a huge scale.... ;)
  • dromedariusdromedarius Posts: 307
    Here's what you said at the beginning of the month:

    It's all over for Honda. Reading more and more around the net of people who have or had issues with the Accord, CRV, Civic and other Honda vehicles. As Honda fans know customer satisfaction for Honda has also slipped by a fair margin. With quality of ALL vehicles going up across the board, what will Honda have to offer? not much. Honda had one heck of a run no doubt. More comsumers are finding out you don't need the silver "H" to have a good, reliable and quality built vehicle. It was only a matter of time for this to happen in a market driven economy. I foresee a buyout of Honda in the next 10-15 years. Honda will not have the $$$ for new reasearch/capitol to invest in new plants, R&D ect.. Sales trends for Honda are also in a flat curve, not like 5 years ago when the line was at a very good upward trend.

    YOU wrote that. Now your here trying to spin a 19% loss in profits in the 2nd quarter as such a bad thing, when in reality Ford is having trouble selling cars, not Honda. Blah, blah blah.

    On the other hand, Honda expects 20% growth from 3.2 million units a year, to 4 million units a year, by March of 2008.

    In your wacky math, you're always trying to compare the two directly. That's like comparing me and the CEO of my company directly. As you yourself pointed out, Ford's biggest seller is there full-size pickups, which Honda doesn't even make. And Honda selling less CR-Vs doesn't mean it isn't superior to the Escape.

    Regardless, Honda continues to grow, and Ford continues to have problems. That will continue until Ford starts to make cars and SUVs that get good gas mileage, perform well, and are safe and reliable. Until then, they will consistently be behind Chevy and Toyota in overall sales, and behind those two and Honda when it comes to making vehicles people want.

    The people at Ford should get down on their knees and thank the Lord the Europeans and the Asians don't really have interest in making big pickups, because that's all Ford has to brag about right now.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
    In your wacky math ...

    Wacky math is what Abbott and Costello did. Let's refrain from characterizing fellow Forum members in the same manner! Thanks. :)

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  • clamclam Posts: 36
    Lol. I don't think I've seen anyone pwned quite as badly on Edmunds before. The problem with changing your story is that the past can be quoted. :D

    Ford's doing great. Employee pricing, anyone?
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