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CR-V vs Escape

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  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    Honda's glorified reputation is on the down hill slide. Get out on the net, look in other rooms besides here at Edmunds. Expecting growth and getting growth are two different stories. Heck, I can expect a 10 percent raise!! will I get it?? Why doesnt' Honda allow Alldata.com to posts its TSB's? Yet all other manufacturers TSB's are available? Honda PR has done a great job in stemming and quelling the CRV fire issues. I just hope noone dies from a fire in their CRV. Ford DOES build reliable and quality vehicles. Its just been pounded in peoples heads year after year that they don't. I am living proof the Escape AND Tribute are great vehicles. Would you believe me? of course not. There are some people who will never, ever believe Ford, GM could EVER make a vehicle superior to a Japanese brand. I am not one of them. I have owned both, My Fords have all run fine and lasted many years and miles. I see no reason to pay the extra $$$ for a perceived reliaiblity/quality advantage. And, if you get out on the net you will see more and more people are finding this out and switching from Honda to other brands, not just Fords or GM models. This is what I meant by "its over for Honda". Thier glory days are over.....And yes if they don't attain large sales numbers here in the U.S. they will not have the capitol to keep up with Toyota or Nissan or Subaru or even Hyundia in the costs of development of new products and get them to market. So, I stand by my prediction of a buyout in the next 10-15 years of Honda.. ;)
  • dromedariusdromedarius Posts: 307
    Honda's glorified reputation is on the down hill slide. Get out on the net, look in other rooms besides here at Edmunds.

    Yeah, you're probably right, "net" people's opinions on the internet mean more to me than what all the studies say.

    I just hope noone dies from a fire in their CRV.

    Me, too. I'd hate to see the same thing happen to CR-V that happened to Ford when all those rollovers happened. According to the net, you couldn't drive a block without seeing a rollovered Ford.

    I am living proof the Escape AND Tribute are great vehicles. Would you believe
    me?


    You're right, I wouldn't believe you, but that doesn't mean Escape and Tribute are bad vehicles. They just aren't as good as a CR-V. Especially since they roll over all the time.

    There are some people who will never, ever believe Ford, GM could EVER make a vehicle superior to a Japanese brand.

    I didn't use to be one of these people, but now I think I am. You've got to stay on four tires to be superior.

    And, if you get out on the net you will see more and more people are finding this out and switching from Honda to other brands, not just Fords or GM models.

    Here we are back to those infamous "net" people. They're kinda like carnies, from what I've been told. Small hands, smell like cabbage. And if you mean people switching to Ford and GM, you obviously have been living in Afghanistan for the past few months. The domestics are the ones with the low sales and offering "employee" pricing. Not Honda. I've gotta go. Someone just rolled a Ford outside my house...
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,618
    when you post this...
    "They just aren't as good as a CR-V. Especially since they roll over all the time."
    maybe i missed something, do me a favor and point where you got this from.
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    I guess the CRV the Combustable recreational vehicle catches on fire all the time too?? Whoa! there is one on fire right now down the street! This kind of stuff of all Escapes rolling over shows me just how much you really don't know about vehicles... Fact is I paid less for my Escape, my Escape is paid for, I paid lower interest rate, shorter amount of time. No CRV owner can claim this.. Along with folks like yourself beating the never ending drum of all Fords, GM products cannot and will never be as good as anything Honda makes.. I am your worst nightmare.. a satisfied Ford owner with years of Ford vehicles that have been reliable. :shades:
    And yes, if you knew how to "surf" the net you would find other chat rooms about the auto industry, and peeved off Honda owners to boot..
  • dromedariusdromedarius Posts: 307
    If your point is that the Escape is cheaper than a CR-V, I agree. You get what you pay for.
  • CRV - YTD sales of 73,435 compared with 69,979 in 2004 +5.6%

    Escape - YTD sales of 86,914 compared with 98,532 in 2004 -11.8%

    These numbers do not include any July sales.
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    once again, Tribute and Mariner sales were not included? Why? Your numbers are once again misleading. Kind of funny how when a person who Does not own a Honda product talks of personal experience is all "full of it" and cannot be believed. Yet when a Honda is performing, its all ok and thier word is golden. Can you say Hypocryte?
  • WelI... I didn't include those sales because this forum is called CR-V vs Escape. But if it makes you feel better, again no July sales included:

    Tribute - YTD sales of 22,370 compared with 20,583 in 2004 +8.7%

    Mariner - YTD sales of 16,552 compared with 0 in 2004

    FYI - I own both a Honda CR-V and a Mazda 6. I love them both.
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,803
    ...I see no reason to pay the extra $$$ for a perceived reliaiblity/quality advantage...

    I don't see how Escape is cheaper than CR-V. When comparing apples to apples:

    Loaded CR-V SE (no options) = $23,985

    Loaded Escape Limited (no options) = $25,128 even with employee pricing and rebates.

    Escape is $1000 more, plus the hidden costs of ownership, and faster depriciation rate. I just hope you are not a financial advisor, because you would give people a very misinformed financial advice.
  • drive62drive62 Posts: 637
    Again? I have posted numerous times with real data how a CR-V will cost less than a similarly equipped Escape. Now someone else has as well. Real numbers and real data mean nothing to some people here.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,618
    blueie... carsdirect is not a good place to get a price on an escape. maybe it is for a crv.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,153
    You could compare the numbers using True Market Value.

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,618
    due to prices being posted for individual vehicles, i just went right right to the source. other than that i would have gone to tmv. when i bought my focus in may last year, i did look into carsdirect. their price was way off.
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,803
    blueie... carsdirect is not a good place to get a price on an escape. maybe it is for a crv.

    Of course Carsdirect wouldn't be a good place, it weakens the argument. I always bought cars under the carsdirect/TMV price. But, for the sake of argument, I chose the "no haggle" source. Just to clarify, I paid lots less for the CR-V than Carsdirect and Edmunds' TMV price. But, I am a haggler, most people are not.

    Since we are on Edmunds here is TMV, I am sure you will find a reson to knock down Edmunds as well.

    Ford Escape Limited (I added sunroof and indash 6 cd changer, which I forgot to do first time around) $26,662
    Even without the sunroof and the CD changer, it is $25,525

    Honda CR-V SE (no options offered, comes with Sunroof and in-dash 6 disc changer) $24,636

    This is not looking good for your argument. It is also interesting that Edmunds lists Escape with RAV4 in the Compact SUV's, while CR-V is listed along with Pilot, Lexus RX300 and Highlander in Midsize SUV's.
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,784
    "This is not looking good for your argument. It is also interesting that Edmunds lists Escape with RAV4 in the Compact SUV's, while CR-V is listed along with Pilot, Lexus RX300 and Highlander in Midsize SUV's."

    The CR-V just scrapes into the midsize category due to interior volume...
  • fredddfreddd Posts: 14
    I have been burned by domestic car quality issues several times in my life, so I'd have to be mighty impressed to get something from one of the big three. I tried the grand cherokee and the escape hybrid before buying a CR-V. Grand Cherokee is actually smaller inside than the CR-V and gets about 7 mpg less. Also has a much more involved maint. schedule. Escape hybrid was OK, but costs way too much to justify buying it. It would take 10 years for the electric motor to pay for itself. Unless you tow something, the V6 is totally unneccesary.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,618
    since ford is posting prices on their website, i just went there. i have no argument, just facts.
  • meescapemeescape Posts: 1
    I believe you have a bad source for prices. Paid 23,045 for 2005 Limited with sunroof, with 6-CD changer 9 days ago (Atlanta, GA). Hondas are good cars, but the lack of a V-6, leather options sent me to the Escape. Could not be happier!
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    again in my region CRV's are more option for option. I will list again in todays paper what is available. . If you want phone numbers please e-mail me. Anyone who has actually shopped the car market knows, Honda dealerships don't deal. You pay or you walk.
    Damerow Ford, 1 example 2005 Escape XLS 4WD VIN#D51577, $18,325.
    Thomason Honda 2WD LX Element $17,499
    Courtesy Ford 2005 Escape Limited 4x4 $22,379.76 #E48163 "11 more to choose from"
    Landmark Ford Limited Escape 4x4 $24,535, XLT 4x4 sport $21,725, another at 22,281, XLT 4x4 V6 $20, 929.. They have a pretty sizeable list here in the paper with mulitple listings to choose from.
    2005 CRV LX 2WD for $19,188! This is at Ron Tonkin Honda 2 to choose from Want VIN's? e-mail me an let me know or phone #'s. I may have crossed the line already giving Dealership names.. Choice is nice and Ford offers more choices, Trim levels and colors than Honda does also...
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    6 reviews under Escape now up above and just .1 behind the CRV...
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,618
    my wife took her escape on it's longest road trip. it probably about 200 miles round trip(2 passenger 1 way, 4 plus luggage on return). the fill up included normal commuting too. 23.1 mpg, it's highest ever. v6 is rated at 23 mpg on the highway.
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,803
    again in my region CRV's are more option for option. I will list again in todays paper what is available. . If you want phone numbers please e-mail me. Anyone who has actually shopped the car market knows, Honda dealerships don't deal. You pay or you walk.
    Damerow Ford, 1 example 2005 Escape XLS 4WD VIN#D51577, $18,325.
    Thomason Honda 2WD LX Element $17,499
    Courtesy Ford 2005 Escape Limited 4x4 $22,379.76 #E48163 "11 more to choose from"
    Landmark Ford Limited Escape 4x4 $24,535, XLT 4x4 sport $21,725, another at 22,281, XLT 4x4 V6 $20, 929.. They have a pretty sizeable list here in the paper with mulitple listings to choose from.
    2005 CRV LX 2WD for $19,188! This is at Ron Tonkin Honda 2 to choose from Want VIN's? e-mail me an let me know or phone #'s. I may have crossed the line already giving Dealership names.. Choice is nice and Ford offers more choices, Trim levels and colors than Honda does also...


    It may be region specific, but in majority of places Hondas are negotiable. Most people, skilled in negotiations get their Hondas at or bellow invoice. Check prices paid board.
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,803
    I believe you have a bad source for prices. Paid 23,045 for 2005 Limited with sunroof, with 6-CD changer 9 days ago (Atlanta, GA). Hondas are good cars, but the lack of a V-6, leather options sent me to the Escape. Could not be happier!

    The only thing CR-V does not have is V6, leather is available in the SE trim.
    Here is a list of things Escape does not have:
    Vehicle stability control
    Drive by wire
    Steering wheel mounted radio controls
    Manual transmission with 4WD/AWD
    Factory XM radio integration option (need to buy receiver, but radio is XM ready)
    Cassette player with 6 CD in dash changer.
    Fuel economy of a 4 cyl engine with power of a V6 for most driving conditions (not towing)

    Glad you are happy with Escape. We have both, 2005 CR-V Ex and 2005 Escape XLT. I am happy with the CR-V, she is happy with the Escape.
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    Thats great MPG! I too have attained 22.8 MPG in my Escape on a highway trip. This is with 5 adults, and luggage to boot! So far that is about the highest I was able to get. Ontop of that my speed averaged about 70.
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    I'll give the CRV a kudos for traction control. Ford will probably make this available in 06/07 models of Escapes. Drive by wire? what is this? Ford does offer a manual transmission in 4WD, but only with the 4cyl models for now. Are you trying to say having a Cassette player is an advantage? Fuel economy of a 4cyl, but "power of a V6" LOL!! You have no idea what power really is. Try loading your CRV down with luggage, and 5 adults, then try climbing an 11% grade, you'll see what the lack of power really means. MPG advantage.. there are posts right here at Edmunds questioning MPG ratings of the CRV! Get out on the net and you will find more people questioning the MPG ratings. Please.. The V6 in the Escape has 40HP and 40ft/lbs of torque more than the CRV, and your trying to convince people somehow this is negligable? I ask once again. If a V6 is of no advantage and Honda's 4cyl engines are so "powerful" then why does Honda put a V6 in the Accord? Pilot? Acura? Ridgeline? The CRV also weighs more than an Escape to boot!! Why is Toyota putting a v6 in the new RAV4? If all you want the CRv for is to commute then why didn't you buy a station wagon? or car? CRV cannot tow anything!! no boat, no watercraft.... no snowmobiles... At least the Escape CAN tow something.. Another point. I drive in the snow quiet often. The Escape V6 gives you more confidence that your vehicle is able to pull itself around and move your vehicle around in the deep snow, WITH a load of people and gear. It is very obvious the CRV is just a large station wagon....
  • suvtimesuvtime Posts: 58
    Scape if Fords V6 is so great then why does Ford even bother building Escapes with 4 cylinders engines? It must offer all the power some people need or they wouldn't make it. Are the 4 cylinder Escapes no more than "large station wagons"?

    As far as loading up a compact SUV with 5 people and their gear and going up a 11% grade, come on how often are most people ever going to do this? Almost never I would think. And if they do they probably should have bought mid-size or large SUV.

    I agree Honda does offer a V6 in Accord because some people wanted more power. Although I believe the 4 cylinder makes up around 75% of Accord sales, so it must offer all the power many people need. Even the ones going up 11% grades. Just because Ford can't seem seem to build a good 4 cylinder engine, doesn't make all SUV's with one useless.
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,784
    "Try loading your CRV down with luggage, and 5 adults, then try climbing an 11% grade, you'll see what the lack of power really means. MPG advantage.. there are posts right here at Edmunds questioning MPG ratings of the CRV!"

    I have done this exact thing, and the CR-V performed quite well. 5 people in the car plus luggage to the roof, on a trip to Yosemite.

    My highway mileage is 27 @ 80 MPH, about 22 in town. I don't have any reason to tow. However, the US restriction of 1500 lbs is different from the (smaller 2.0L engine) restriction of the export model - it will tow 1500 KG - that's about 3000 lbs - if the trailer has brakes.

    When you tout the advantages of the Escape in snow, you should note that your Escape has a more capable 4WD system than the one used in the 2005 and later models.

    But in any case, I have had the CR-V in both mud and snow, and it performed very well.

    When comparing the Escape to the CR-V, one should keep in mind two things:

    1. The CR-V has 39 inches of rear legroom, that is three inches more than the Escape. When carrying lots of cargo, I can slide those seats forward for an additional 5 CU feet of room or so in the cargo area, and still match the Escape rear seat legroom.

    2. The CR-V is actually a mid-sized SUV, while the Escape is a small SUV (according to EPA measurements). So I suppose in some respects it isn't fair to compare them at all - they are in different size classes. I've always been amazed at how Honda managed to get so much interior room on such a small chasis.

    Anyway, Scape2, enjoy your Escape. It has it's points, as does the CR-V. But they are actually different enough in design philosophy that they attract different customers as buyers.
  • I bet Scape probably DOES tow his boat to work. If he can't figure out why Honda would put a V6 in a pickup or a van that way 1000 pounds more than the CR-V, he probably can't figure out how to disconnect his boat...j/k

    :blush:

    Seriously, though, I've never understood why people feel like they HAVE to drive a V6 or a V8. I think some of it goes back to the inadequacy issues covered in a college psych class. If you ever driven a CR-V, you know it has MORE than enough power fully loaded. What more do you need? I also question why someone that is so "outdoorsy" and is always towing something wouldn't buy a Jeep. It's far superior to the Escape in those conditions, and it gets just as good mileage, or better if you buy the diesel.

    Furthermore, it's the Escape owners I've heard complaining about gas mileage, not the CR-V owners. I've read where many Escape owners are mired in the mid-teens. We have 2000 miles on ours so far, and even though it isn't broken in completely, we get about 23-24 all around with a 50-50 split.

    Also, I noticed in the driver's manual that you are supposed to drive your CR-V with a lightfoot, especially from a standstill, until 600 miles. I also noticed it had little passing power at that time. Now that we've passed the 600 mile mark, it revs like a banshee when I pass. It hits 5000-5500 rpm before I barely have time to blink. I can count how many times I revved my little Ford ZX-2 Zetec that high on one hand. The Ford four cylinder doesn't belong in the same country with the Honda four banger. I don't know if anyone else has had the experience with the highway power prior to 600 miles, but I'd encourage people to drive one with a few miles on to get the real feel for the Honda power.

    Finally, the Honda five speed automatic shouldn't be underestimated. That, along with the VTEC technology goes a LONG ways to narrow the 40 hp and 40 ft-lb "gap" between it and the Escape. Gearing and broad powerbands are everybit as a peak figure, when people generally don't drive at those numbers unless they have an engine capable of revving, like a Honda.
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,803
    It's far superior to the Escape in those conditions, and it gets just as good mileage, or better if you buy the diesel.

    He probably wouldn't get the CRD Liberty because CRD is a 4 cylinder, that goes back to the inadeqacy problem :-)
  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Posts: 4,175
    good points... no make that Excellent points. For some reason Scape can't seem to grasp the notion that the CRV works and works well for people who buy them. The fact that the CRV competes or even excels in categories with the Escape is impressive given the 4-cyl vs. the V6. Competition is good for both sides of the argument and not everyone has to tow. Jeez ever think that maybe the V makes for a great commuter car? Or is there a set criteria that all utility vehicle owners must own a boat in order to purchase... BTW I nearly fell off my chair laughing at the first paragraph of that post...

    It's still just the doom and gloom "I'm your worst nightmare" garbage. Gets old after a while...
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