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CR-V vs Escape

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  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,794
    "I just state the 1,000 max mileage out of a Ford product because this is what some Honda militia like to spout out in these forums. Fords unreliable, garbage ect.."

    Well, it appears that the Ford Escape owners like to report their problems to the NHTSB. I was on the site yesterday looking at something else, and happened to compare the CR-V and Escape 2005 problem reports. There were a lot more reports of problems with the 2005 Escape than the 2005 CR-V. Probably 2 or 3 to one. Of course, the Escape sells more units than the CR-V, which has to be factored in there somewhere.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
    Or is there a joke in there somewhere?

    See the message just before Odie's! :)

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  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,797
    "let's not goat there."

    Did you mean "gloat" or "go"? Or is there a joke in there somewhere?


    Ha ha, somebody missed a joke, ha ha. Not picking on you, but sometimes it is even funnier when someone misses a joke. Like tidester said read the post above, with the link to the "Which spends more time off road, your SUV or your lawnmower" The consensus of that forum was the GOATS are great. You can use them for transportation, they eat the grass so you don't have to mow, you don't need to buy a new model as they are self reproducing, and when you are tired of your old goat, you just eat it. There was one minor flaw, the methane emissions were higher than CARB would allow, but he was working on a charcoal diaper, which goats did not seem to like.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,695
    i wish i had read your synopsis before going there, once i started reading i couldn't 'escape'. :)
  • Do you have a 2wd or awd?
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    I have over 55K on my Escape and all electronics are fine... Just as an FYI... :shades:
  • mikefm58mikefm58 Posts: 2,882
    Though the Escape isn't affected, I thought this was appropriate.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050907/ap_on_bi_ge/ford_recall

    Need to replace the cruise control switch.
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    Just wonder why you would post this in the Escape room? and why you didn't post the recall for the Odessey?? ;)
  • I'm guessing it's because it's the fifth LARGEST recall in history, and people have DIED from these Ford fires, unlike the CR-V fires. It's pretty hard to point fingers at Honda when your own car is on fire in your driveway.

    ;)
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,794
    "Just wonder why you would post this in the Escape room? and why you didn't post the recall for the Odessey??"

    Actually, I think because it was a Ford recall. But I still don't know why he posted it in the first place.

    Man, this forum has been pretty dead for a while...
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,797
    Man, this forum has been pretty dead for a while...

    Because we all know of Hondas supremacy in the automotive and engineering world. Ford drivers are too busy looking for cheaper gas (going to dealer for recalls/trying to sell a gas hog/admitted they bought an inferior product) and don't have time to post. Honda drivers have all the time on their hands because of the excellent fuel economy, they don't have to go to the gas station as often and the $0.05 in price difference does not make too much of a dent in the wallet. :-)

    I think this post should fire up the converations again :-)
  • mikefm58mikefm58 Posts: 2,882
    Because it's related to both fires and Fords. I was going to post it over in CRV Engine fires but thought it was more appropriate here. Did you notice I also didn't post the Toyota recall also?
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    Yep, I guess all the Honda owners are out trying to find jobs to pay for thier "superior" vehicles after sending all thier money over seas, then all of the sudden realizing.. Hey! I sent my money overseas! Noone can buy my services or product I produce!.... OOOPS.. ;)
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,797
    Yep, I guess all the Honda owners are out trying to find jobs to pay for thier "superior" vehicles after sending all thier money over seas, then all of the sudden realizing.. Hey! I sent my money overseas! Noone can buy my services or product I produce!.... OOOPS

    And Ford owners have all crossed over to Mexico, whre majority of Fords are built. At least our cars are built by educated people in an industiralized countries (UK and Japan), while Fords are built by poorly trained people in a third world country because Ford can pay them significantly less than US workers.

    Honda Accord, Honda Civic, Honda Pilot, Honda Ridgeline, Honda Oddysey, Honda ATV's, Honda power equipment are all made in the US and Canada. And starting in 2007, Honda CR-V will be made in the US as well. Ford on the other hand, keeps pushing more and more models to be made in Mexico.

    At least my money support US's middle class, while Ford and GM owners support the US's wealthy, who keep getting greedier and greedier.

    Prime example are recent Bancrupcy filings by Delta. Average Delta executives make $10,000,000 year with all the fringe benefits and bonuses. While they keep asking the workers to give up 20% of their pay. Is that fair?

    Same with Ford. The executives keep getting bigger and bigger paychecks, while the US middle class keeps disappearing. At least a Japanese company, like Honda caps the executive pay at 20X of the lowest paid employee. Which forces a greedy executive to raise employess pay if he wants a bigger paycheck.

    I suuport a company that supports US middle class, while you support the company that perpetuates the greater division between the poor and the wealthy. Hope you feel good about your choices.
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,213
    And Ford owners have all crossed over to Mexico, whre majority of Fords are built.

    Huh? They have one plant there that used to make the ZX2 (not the Escort sedan), then the Focus (only about one third of them), and now they will build the Fusion/Milan/Zephyr (all of them) there. The latter three do not make up the majority of Ford's line by any stretch of the imagination. Ford builds more F-150s in the U.S. than all of those Honda's you listed COMBINED. And that's just one of their U.S. built models.

    At least my money support US's middle class, while Ford and GM owners support the US's wealthy, who keep getting greedier and greedier.

    So the assembly line workers at all of Ford and GM's U.S. plants make up the U.S. upper class? I think they'd beg to differ.

    I'm sure those execs you're supporting over in Japan are really hurting. They probably live in straw houses and can't even afford a bike to ride to work. :cry:

    Get your facts straight before you hop on the soap box next time. :P
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,797
    Ford donated $1million in cash and $3 million in other fund to Katrina relief, for a total of $4 million. Honda, a much smaller company donated $5 million to the relief efforts.

    I do have my facts straight, you are the one who does not want to admit to being wrong.

    So the assembly line workers at all of Ford and GM's U.S. plants make up the U.S. upper class? I think they'd beg to differ.

    Average Ford assembly worker makes $25-$30/hour, that is middle class everywhere but the coastal USA. East and West coast are exceptions because of the much higher cost of living. $100K makes low-middle class in those areas. $50,000-$60,000 annual salary is what makes middle class in most of the US. Most of the people who were laid off by Ford and GM were not able to find jobs that paid close to what they were making. In majority, these people only have high school education at best. They end up on unemployment, or working for the evil Walmart for $7/hour.

    Since 1982 Honda has been increasing its manufacturing presence in the US, while domestics have been laying people off, left and right. Even Korean Hyundai started making its cars here.

    As far as cars being built in Mexico, we have a 2005 Escape, even though it is ASSEMBLED in the US, majority of components in it are from Mexico. All I had to do is pop the hood and read the labels on each of the components, but the engine are made in Mexico.

    Ford builds more F-150s in the U.S. than all of those Honda's you listed COMBINED. And that's just one of their U.S. built models.

    How many of those are being sold at a loss, and how many of those have been recalled recently?

    I'm sure those execs you're supporting over in Japan are really hurting. They probably live in straw houses and can't even afford a bike to ride to work.

    I have lived and worked in Japan, have you?
    A japanese executve does not have a 50,000 sq. ft. home.

    A japanese executve does not have a salary that is 500-1000 times the lowest paid employee.

    A japanese executive does not lay off people when the company is not doing good.

    Japanese executive lowers his pay and does not receive bonuses because the company is in trouble. A japanese executive realizes that the company is not doing well because of the ill decisions he has made. He lives up to his wrong doings, rather than just lay off workers who have been working hard for all these years, only to make the bottom line look good.

    A japanese executive will make sure that if he has to lay off an employee, he will call his friends at other companies to find this employee a job.

    A japanese executve does not concentrate on the compny's bottom line, and stocks alone, but rahter on the a long term effects his decisions.

    When GM was not doing so good, Honda and Toyota raised their prices to help GM stay a float (check out pre-March 2005 and post March 2005 invoice pricing on Honda and Toyota). Ford on the other hand, copy catted the "Employee pricing," for the lack of innovation, to make GM's survival more difficult. If Ford or GM had a chance to get rid of Honda and Toyota as competition, they would do it in a blink of an eye. Who is evil here?
  • steverstever Ex Yooper, just arrived in New MexicoPosts: 40,550
    not get too far afield on global issues in here please; someone may wander in actually wanting to learn about the merits of the SUVs.

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  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,794
    The 2007 model is going to be built in the US. Honda tends to start production in Japan and then move it to the US, I think Ford tends to do it the other way around.
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,213
    As far as cars being built in Mexico, we have a 2005 Escape, even though it is ASSEMBLED in the US, majority of components in it are from Mexico. All I had to do is pop the hood and read the labels on each of the components, but the engine are made in Mexico.

    I'm not trying to start a fight with you but you did say BUILT and that is what I responded to. For that matter all of the Japanese models are just assembled here too. Most of the parts come from other countries. And I know that because I used to own an American assembled Civic which consisted of mostly foreign parts.

    No I never lived or worked in Japan and I never will. So the Japanese execs don't live in big houses, big deal. They're still making a great living if the company is doing well. You're trying to make it sound like they're some kind of martyrs.

    BTW, Bill Ford is not accepting a salary this year and has not accepted one since he took control of the company.

    How many of those are being sold at a loss, and how many of those have been recalled recently?

    No F-150s are being sold for a loss and none of the new models have been recalled. IIRC the only two Ford vehicles being sold for a loss were the Taurus and the Focus. That was a while ago so things might have changed.

    Your facts were wrong to begin with, as posted mind you, but I get your point after correcting yourself at my expense. :P

    Be careful what you type as the rest of us can't read your mind. :confuse:
  • scape2 keeps mentioning that Honda's are more expensive, but he fails to mention the Total Cost of Ownership. Year after year, the CR-V takes that title. Why? The TCO includes your purchase price, insurance premiums, fuel, regular maintenance, unscheduled repairs, and probably most importantly today, trade-in value.

    According to Forbes.com, Ford's US market share has dropped from more than 25% to less than 19% since 1996. They continue to offer underpowered vehicles (the Escape is one of the few exceptions), it takes them forever to bring a new generation to market, and the styling is bland to say the least.

    The current Ranger was introduced in 1993 and isn't scheduled to be replaced until 2010. The Freestyle was introduced last year and might get whacked after this year, again, according to Forbes. Does that make any sense? 18 years of one generation for one vehicle, two for the entire car's run for the next???

    The Escape is scheduled to get whacked as well. The only vehicles Ford seems to be dedicated are the F-150, Explorer, and Mustang, all gas guzzlers. With gas jumping to $3.00 a gallon and beyond, it's only a matter of time until Americans jump ship and start buying fuel efficient Japanese cars.

    I can't help but feel I jumped ship at the right time. Honda is perfectly poised in the market with their hybrid, VTEC and VCM technology. Other than Toyota, no other manufacturer offers such a blend of power and economy at an affordable price. The only American carmaker that comes even close is Chevrolet, but they are a ways off still.

    I have to give props to Chevy though, since I think their employee discount program is going to keep them afloat since manufacturers now have to keep their inventories low. It's killed the trade-in value of domestic used cars, but being the first to take action, Chevy will survive.

    I like the tact Chrysler has taken as well. They always seem to have the most visually appealing vehicles from the domestics, and they are offering more and more power, and while everyone else is getting more efficient, the marketplace is still big enough for one domestic to make Vipers, Magnums, 300Cs, Chargers, and the like.

    That leaves Fords, which are generally underpowered, bland, and prone to recalls. They certainly have their work cut out for them. The Escape was one of the few good vehicles they have, and even that wasn't enough. Even if it was, rumor has it that the next generation CR-V will have in the neighborhood of 200 hp, from the same 2.4 liter architecture. I guess it was just a matter of time.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,695
    i like my vehicle(s). i don't have to 'try' to make mine seem better by dumping on some other one. basically, you don't read about a lot of escape owners complaining about them. guess it was the right for them.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,695
    on a '04 escape limited. it seems like some of the previous out of line numbers were corrected. when i tried to do a comparison, there was no match. i kind of agree with that. :)
  • Didn't seem to hard...The 05 Limited Escape was 0.58 cents per mile according to Edmunds, and the 05 CR-V SE was 0.49 cents per mile. The difference came out to about $7,000 over 5 years. I don't see how the 05 Limited would be significantly differenty than the 04, and I know when I was making my choice of a compact SUV, it was down to these two. The CR-V won for me because Honda stresses fuel economy, safety, interior room, and durability more, and the power difference in every day driving was a scratch.
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    A bit testy about sending your dollars overseas huh? Truth hurts does it? Where are you getting most Fords are made in Mexico?? Only the Fusion and some Focus are made in Mexico bud... Escape parts moslty from Mexico?? What the?? are you talking about?? Its obvious you are feeling very guilty of being one of those who has sent their money overseas further weakening the U.S. economy and adding to our debt. If you think Honda execs are giving up anything for the person on the line.. I have a bridge to sell you..
    Now, to TCO.
    This is all wacked out. I punched in my Escape and Edmunds says I paid 24K for this vehicle. Wrong.. I paid $20,800 for it. Edmunds says I also paid over $4K in maintenance?? for what? they don't say. I have paid about $500 in maintenance over the 5 years I have owned my Escape. Edmunds also says I paid over $800 dollars in repairs?? I have paid $120 in repairs on my Escape... These numbers are all VERY misleading. Talked with a friend who also owns an 02 Ford Escape. Punched in the TCO on it also and he could not belive these outragous claims and numbers for maintenance and repairs. His repairs.... $0.... Go figure...
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,695
    since i don't have an '05 anything, why would i care about it's tco? my post was based on an '04 escape. last time i looked at it, before today, there was an obvious miscalculation. the numbers are are better since it was corrected.
  • scape2: Obviously you must not be acquanted with the word "average". As hard as this may be to believe, you probably aren't the average Escape owner...

    :blush:

    explorer4X4: I even put a disclaimer in my post saying I don't know of any discernible difference between an 05 Escape Limited and an 04 Escape Limited, so I've come to the conclusion you read (and comprehend) what you want to. Are you sure you aren't scape in disguise?

    :sick:

    FTR, I keep reading how all us Honda owners keep calling the Escape a terrible vehicle. Other than a couple sarcastic replies to scape's "enlightening" posts, I've always said it's a good vehicle. One of Ford's best. I'm not sure if that's saying much, but I also know it isn't as good as the CR-V. There's nothing wrong with being 2nd best to a Honda.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
    As hard as this may be to believe, you probably aren't the average Escape owner...

    That was mean! (Sorry - couldn't resist!)

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  • steverstever Ex Yooper, just arrived in New MexicoPosts: 40,550
    Good ol' Tidester; trying to set a happy medium in this discussion mode. :-)

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,695
    the '05 escape has an awd system which is completely different from the part time 4wd from fro '04 and prior years.
    honda may be the best choice for you, but it is not for everyone.
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    2nd best in your mind..not mine or the other thousands of Escape owners that chose the Escape over the CRV...
    Did you know that Honda is ranked as #8 in worldwide auto production? Ford is #3? Do you understand what that means? really? Honda is like a drop of water in a bucket to Ford. AND.. Honda has lost ground and continues to loose ground in worldwide sales? Hyundia is a few thousand vehicles away from passing Honda. Just saw this on Autonews. Predicted is Honda will fall next year to #9... Also... did you know Nissan is #5?? Keep up the big talk, numbers show it all... as much as people Ford bash, Ford seems to still keep chugging along.... ;)
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