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  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,797
    Take a look at the consumer ratings of the CRV vs the unreliable, unsafe and inferior Escape.. 23 people and the ratings of the Escape are 9.1?? .... 7 reviews for the CRV and 8.6??? What the?? I thought the CRV was perfect? The most superior in this class?? Why not 10's from all these 7 people??

    I believe Consumer Reports, Car and Driver, and other legitimate publications rated CR-V higher.

    Also, the previous years of CR-V show much mroe positive reviews than rprevious years of Escape. Maybe CR-V drivers are too busy enjoying their vehicles...

    Google Ford and Recalls, or Ford and Defects, or Ford and Fires, and Ford and deaths, Ford and Roll over... the list goes on.

    By the way, I googled "Honda sucks" as you haev suggested and there is no CR-V on the list.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,933
    if you want to 'bellow' over the internet, use caps or bold. :P
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    What you don't seem to get here is you Honda owners beat and pound the never ending drum of the Escape being unreliable and terrible quality and never make past 25,000 miles garbage.. Yet I personally own 1 Escape and 1 Tribute. Both of these vehicles have performed flawlessly. According to Honda owners, they should have broken down long ago. Why has my Escape made to 65,000 trouble free miles? My wifes Tribute has 20,000 trouble free miles? If the Escape/Tribute/Mariner are so doggone unreliable and such terrible quality then why do they sell to the public so many of these vehicles?
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    More on the internet than "Honda sucks" website my friend.. Try "Honda problems" in a google search.. I thought Honda had no problems?? LOL.. If you do this search correctly and really look, I am pretty sure your tune of anything with a silver "H" on it is perfect will waver.. ;)
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    What you don't seem to get here is you Honda owners beat and pound the never ending drum of the Escape being unreliable and terrible quality and never make past 25,000 miles garbage.. Yet I personally own 1 Escape and 1 Tribute. Both of these vehicles have performed flawlessly. According to Honda owners, they should have broken down long ago. Why has my Escape made to 65,000 trouble free miles? My wifes Tribute has 20,000 trouble free miles? If the Escape/Tribute/Mariner are so doggone unreliable and such terrible quality then why do they sell to the public so many of these vehicles?

    Give some of us Honda owners a little credit. I haven't heard (on here anyways) an owner questioning the ability of an Escape to make 75,000 miles. What is often questioned, is how many Ford's (of recent years) are making it to numbers like 150k and 250k with few problems. I want no part of this discussion, because, frankly, neither of these cars has enough legroom for me, and I'm not in the market for a "cute-ute", but I saw this statement you made generalizing all Honda owners as "Ford-Bashers"; its simply not true about all of us. My family has owned a Honda and a Ford at the same time (1982 Civic and 1984 LTD), and kept the Ford for 6 years and 70,000 miles. We were forced to trade when the Ford needed a tranny (bought a 1990 Accord LX), and have been in only Hondas ever since.

    Frankly, my dad tried to buy a Mustang convertible some years ago (mid-90s), and the dealer he talked with was so insistent that he lease, he walked-out with the dealer chasing behind him still insisting on a lease! It isn't that we wouldn't shop a Ford, but until we have a dilemma with our current dealer or make of cars, we won't be changing. I don't know how often I'll be browsing these boards with the holidays kicking up, so in case I don't talk to y'all, everyone have a Merry Christmas! (Ford owners too!! ;) )

    thegrad
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,797
    What you don't seem to get here is you Honda owners beat and pound the never ending drum of the Escape being unreliable and terrible quality and never make past 25,000 miles garbage.. Yet I personally own 1 Escape and 1 Tribute. Both of these vehicles have performed flawlessly. According to Honda owners, they should have broken down long ago. Why has my Escape made to 65,000 trouble free miles? My wifes Tribute has 20,000 trouble free miles? If the Escape/Tribute/Mariner are so doggone unreliable and such terrible quality then why do they sell to the public so many of these vehicles?

    It doesn't surprize me that a you have reached 65,000 miles. Like I said earlier, come back when you have 200,000 to 500,000 miles and report. You seem to chose which questions to answer and which to ingnore.

    I personally owned a 1985 Civic DX that drove for 250,000 miles and was still full of energy. I sold it for $1500 (original purchase price was $6500). I still own a 1988 Prelude Si 4WS, with BABY mileage of 127,000 miles that starts and runs like it did when it was new.

    Example 1: When I met my girlfriend, she had a 1992 Ford Taurus with a little under 100,000 miles. I replaced the power steering pump because it was spraying fluid all over out of the seals. Then the rack gave out. I replaced that, then the tranny gave out. We got $400 on trade in. That is just a slap in the face, a 10 year old Civic with 250,000 miles gets $1500, while 8 year old Ford with V6 only gets $400. And Ford cost more when it was new than Civic when it was new.

    Example 2: She did not want to switch, so she got a 1999 Ford Escort ZX2, at the same time I got a 1999 Honda Civic EX coupe. Both cost about $15,000 new. Both started fine in the morning and ran OK during the first two years of ownership. Then Ford started to get hickups, sometimes it would not understand that when you press the accelerator you want it to go. Civic still worked like a clock. At the time we moved in together and later we decided to car pool to save a car payment. Both cars had a little over 30,000 miles. I got $11,000 on trade in, she got $6500.

    Example 3: After a few years of carpooling, the jobs changed and we needed sperate cars again. She again went out and got a 2002 Ford Focus SE at this time, and I got 2002 Honda Civic Si. Both were about $15,000 (Ford Focus was $15,000, Civic Si was $14,500). In the first year her fuel pump quit. The car had to be towed to the dealer to replace the fuel pump. While at it they performed other recalls on the bearing hubs and some other stuff that I forgot. UK built Civic was not without a problem either, but it performed the primary function flawlessly, it started and ran every morning. Remember my explanation of Japanese approach to Customer Satisfaction and Customer Delight. I was not delighted, but I was satisfied.

    This worked great, until we moved to Buffalo, NY we realized that we needed SUV's to make it to places on time, witout having to get up 2 hours earlier than normal.

    I traded in my Civic for a 2005 CR-V EX. I got $12,500 for a 3 year old Civic Si. The Ford dealer would not give her more than $6000 on the 3 year old Focus in pristine condition (my Civic has been hit and repaired). She ended up selling it her self for $7000. And this time she leased the Escape as to not to have to worry about Ford's HORRABLE resale.

    So, as you see, I don't rely on internet posts to make my conclusions. They are based on real life facts that I have experienced. Ford has proven to be unrealiable after 100,000 miles, Ford has proven not to retain any value. Honda on the other hand, has proven that it reliable, starts every morning and provides transportation, just as it is intended to do. And when you are done with it, you get most of your money back.

    So, why would I go out of my way and search the internet for that elusive person who is not happy with his/her Honda, when I have first hand POSITIVE epxperinece with Honda and NEGATIVE experience with Ford?
  • Summed up perfectly.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,638
    Why is she still buying Fords? Does she like the way they drive better or something?

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  • mikefm58mikefm58 Posts: 2,882
    And THAT'S still not good enough for scape. He keeps posting the same old drivel. I see his posts and scroll.....scroll.....scroll.....
  • nlv1nlv1 Posts: 28
    So, what's your point?

    You're the one who mentioned the Expeditions, Hummers, Escalades, blah-blah-blah.

    I bought a vehicle that I can afford without having to go baloon payment or lease it, without having to get an interest only mortgage on the house. While I can still put 15% of my pay in 401K, and 10% into savings and live comfortably.

    Right on the money! That's what I was trying to tell you all along. People buy SUVs, maybe 2WDs, because maybe that's what they can afford. So why LAUGH AT those people when you know the answer?

    As far as I'm concerned, your reasoning is shot. Maybe it went downhill about the same time as the Metallic Tint and the Antenna Reception Issue ;)

    And thanks, we're happy with our 2WD CR-V "station wagon". Enjoy your 4WD station wagon, too. Hope you get to use it a lot on the snow in Buffalo.
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,797
    Why is she still buying Fords? Does she like the way they drive better or something?

    Steve, Host


    I have been trying to get the asnwer out of her as well, but she just shrugs her shoulders. It is something her father and his father did, and all of her family is Ford. Her uncle drives a Ford, her grand ma drives a Ford. I think it is just peer pressure and she does not want to be confronted by them. When we gather together, they tease me about Honda, but quickly shut up when I bring up resale and fuel economy.

    She did say at one time that Hondas felt "too airy" for her. So, I guess having superior head and leg room can have its detriments. :-)

    This past fall, when the gas prices spiked to over $3.50/gal here, one of the uncles, who shall remain nameless, asked me in confidence if I really got 30 mpg in the CR-V. I showed him my gas receipts and Excell spreadsheet where I keep all of my costs. But, he could not bring him self to admit that Honda was superior, he just expressed amazement, like a kid does when you show him "detach/attach" thumb trick.
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,797
    So, what's your point?

    You're the one who mentioned the Expeditions, Hummers, Escalades, blah-blah-blah.

    I bought a vehicle that I can afford without having to go baloon payment or lease it, without having to get an interest only mortgage on the house. While I can still put 15% of my pay in 401K, and 10% into savings and live comfortably.

    Right on the money! That's what I was trying to tell you all along. People buy SUVs, maybe 2WDs, because maybe that's what they can afford. So why LAUGH AT those people when you know the answer?

    As far as I'm concerned, your reasoning is shot. Maybe it went downhill about the same time as the Metallic Tint and the Antenna Reception Issue

    And thanks, we're happy with our 2WD CR-V "station wagon". Enjoy your 4WD station wagon, too. Hope you get to use it a lot on the snow in Buffalo.


    They/you could have saved more by buying a station wagon, instead of an SUV.

    Metallic tint does not affect FM radio reception on vehicles with externally mounted antenna. It will affect AM reception, since the AM antenna (ferrite rod with coiled wire over it) is in the radio.

    But, whatever, I can't fight ignorance with logic.

    And, yes, I get to us AWD everyday. Snow is on the ground, plus more is falling everyday and not going anywhere when it is single digits down to negative single digits, and we are a week away from the start of winter.

    I'd rather deal with snow (which you can plow and blow) than Hurracanes/Flooding/Tornados which you can only run away from/Hide in the basement. :-)
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    Once again, we can sit here all day long and post personal car stories. I have many family and friends that own Ford products that have never had any issues so large it would cause them to sell or never buy a Ford product again.
    I was at a tournament the other day and as I pulled in a guy in a 1980's Mustang SVT with the 2.3 Turbo pulls in. This car was in perfect condition. Black, it had aftermarket tires/wheels but everything else was factory stock. I walked over and had to take a look. The car was in perfect condition. Interior was like new. The car had about 140,000 original miles on it. They guy said he was the original owner, keeps it garaged an only drive it on nice days. Ford don't last.. ha! This guy kept this car immaculate and he said has had very few problems with it over the years.. Nope, Fords don't last.. Tell this guy that!
    Also 15K for a Civic EX! don't think so.. Try at least 18K starting.. ZX2's my cousin bought one new for $13,000.. go figure...
  • drive62drive62 Posts: 637
    Am I missing something?

    You seem to keep chastising someone for buying a 2WD CR-V which you term a "station wagon".

    You say that they could have saved money by buying a station wagon rather than a SUV.

    Why don't you enlighten us as to how many station wagons cost less than the ~$19K cost of a 2WD CR-V. I'm sure there are a few but what if the person really wanted a Honda vehicle. AFAIK no station wagons available here (other markets but not here).

    The person bought a 2WD CR-V. Whether you think it's a station wagon, an SUV or a raised Civic shouldn't matter. It was their decision based on their wants and needs. Seems good enough to me.

    IIWM I wouldn't keep harping on the station wagon, SUV thing. Plenty of people don't think the 4WD CR-V is a SUV either.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    I tend to agree with buying a CRV 2wd for certain reasons (increased visibility, great cargo space), but thought I would mention some of the inexpensive wagons out there...

    After a little research I found...

    Chevy Aveo hatchback (small inside though) $9,455
    Chevy HHR $15,425
    Chevy Uplander minivan $19,250
    Chrysler PT Cruiser $14,210
    Dodge Caravan $18,380
    Kia Spectra 5-door $16,600
    Mazda 3 5-door approx: $17,000
    Mazda 5 $17,435
    Pontiac Vibe/Toyota Matrix $15,110
    Suzuki Aerio Wagon approx: $16,000 2005 VW Jetta Wagon approx: $20,000 :cry:

    That's all I will say on the subject, now back to the comparo!

    thegrad
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,933
    hey grad, when you are a bit older you will appreciate a taller vehicle. ;)
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    hey grad, when you are a bit older you will appreciate a taller vehicle.

    Well, for now, I'm most concerned with the two things that affect me most; interior leg/headroom (I'm 6'5") and fuel economy (still a college student paying for gas. For those reasons, moving up to a mid-size Accord EX 4-cyl(24/34 mpgs) was the right move for me. My 1996 Accord had gotten too small. I appreciate the height of the cute utes, but cannot get comfortable driving them, try as I might! My dad had the CR-V while I was in high school, and I couldn't find a comfortable place for my left foot (no inclined dead pedal). Before you mention the Ford, I drove my dad's coworker's Escape to see if it would fit me, but came up short in legroom for me. Appreciating height of a vehicle is something that doesen't change with age...Believe me, I'd like nothing more than to have a Pilot or even a full-size truck, but I can't afford these, or afford the go-juice that they drink so readily.

    thegrad
  • nlv1nlv1 Posts: 28
    They/you could have saved more by buying a station wagon, instead of an SUV.

    Maybe, but we would be the ones who get to live with a car that we didn't really like, not you. We had a budget for buying a CR-V so we did.

    I'd rather deal with snow (which you can plow and blow) than Hurracanes/Flooding/Tornados which you can only run away from/Hide in the basement.

    Well, if there's flooding and you decide to go to the basement....... :confuse:
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,797
    Why don't you enlighten us as to how many station wagons cost less than the ~$19K cost of a 2WD CR-V. I'm sure there are a few but what if the person really wanted a Honda vehicle. AFAIK no station wagons available here (other markets but not here).

    To add to Graduate's list, if you are like me, who would only buy a Honda, there was a 2002-2005 Honda Civic Si the only hatchabck Civic sold in the US. I bought mine new for $14,500. There are a few who bought them new cheaper, but the average going price is $16K. Like I stated in earlier posts, I fit as much stuff in the Si as I can in the CR-V. It is given CR-V is slightly bigger, but Si was not cramped either.

    I regularly got 30 mpg in it, and that is with shifting and redline and driving at 80 mph on the thruway. When I drive the CR-V same way, there is no way I get 30 mpg. But, I don't drive CR-V to the limit as often as I did the Si. So I get 28-30 mpg in the CR-V alsmost all the time as well. It just takes me longer to get places, and it is less exciting getting there.

    So, there, you have been enlightened.
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,797
    I'd rather deal with snow (which you can plow and blow) than Hurracanes/Flooding/Tornados which you can only run away from/Hide in the basement.

    Well, if there's flooding and you decide to go to the basement.......


    Don't try to read between the lines. I clearly stated "Hurracances SLASH Flooding SLASH Tornadoes" as well as "Runaway SLASH Hide in the basement" General consesus on the SLASH, also known as "/" to have the meaning "and or."

    So, depending on the weather event you would run away OR hide in the basement. Just in case you didn't know, you can ride out a Tornado in the basement of your house if the basement is prepared for such events. In case flooding is your major weather event, you would use the "OR" option to evacuate, also known as "run away"

    Am I coming in clear now?
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,797
    Once again, we can sit here all day long and post personal car stories. I have many family and friends that own Ford products that have never had any issues so large it would cause them to sell or never buy a Ford product again.
    I was at a tournament the other day and as I pulled in a guy in a 1980's Mustang SVT with the 2.3 Turbo pulls in. This car was in perfect condition. Black, it had aftermarket tires/wheels but everything else was factory stock. I walked over and had to take a look. The car was in perfect condition. Interior was like new. The car had about 140,000 original miles on it. They guy said he was the original owner, keeps it garaged an only drive it on nice days. Ford don't last.. ha! This guy kept this car immaculate and he said has had very few problems with it over the years.. Nope, Fords don't last.. Tell this guy that!
    Also 15K for a Civic EX! don't think so.. Try at least 18K starting.. ZX2's my cousin bought one new for $13,000.. go figure...


    1980's SVT Mustang, 140,000 miles, original everything. Last time I believed in fairy tales I was 5. Good luck.

    SVT was created in 1991, as per Edmunds it self. History of SVT

    "SVT's history dates back to 1991, when Bob Rewey, group vice president for Ford marketing and sales, and Neil Ressler, chief technical officer, thought the company would benefit from an in-house skunkworks that would look at existing and future products, and see if they might respond to some officially sanctioned hot-rodding. The products thus identified and appropriately massaged could be sold at select dealers operating under the Ford umbrella — sort of how the M-models at BMW, and the AMG models at Mercedes-Benz are marketed."

    Maybe Edmunds is lieing?
    First Mustang SVT was a 1993 model.

    Daddy, daddy, tell me another one before I go to sleep!! How about Hansel and Gretel this time?

    You keep accusing me of lies every time I post something positive about Honda. Yet, I have not seen anything truthful from you. $15K for EX coupe is not a fable, I have the original bill I can post if you are inclined so. On top of the $15K, I got, a then great, rate of 4.9% APR. Not bad for someone right out of college with no credit history. Maybe it is because Honda cares about its future lifetime customers, and their college graduate program helps them build their credit. As per Honda graduate program, (ad-lib version)
    "Buyers who have graduated or will graduate within 12 months of purchase are eligible for the lowest advertized finance rate. The eligibility requiremetns are that there are no derogatory ratings from creditors. Limited credit history is acceptable."

    5 years later I was able to buy a house at 3.75% APR (5/1 ARM) because my score was in the low to mid 700's.

    I still say Honda is the best.
  • drive62drive62 Posts: 637
    I asked about station wagons. The Civic Si is not a station wagon.

    Even if it was, the Civic Si's cargo space isn't the same as a CR-V is it? The majority of the other wagons listed also don't have the same amount of capacity as a CR-V.

    You haven't enlightened anyone. You criticize someone for buying a vehicle that you think is wrong. I'm not sure how someone could be more arrogant.

    Have you not realized that we live in a capitalist society with an abundance of choices? You made yours, they made theirs.
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,846
    "SVT was created in 1991, as per Edmunds it self."

    I think there was a "high powered" mustang version in the 1980's, but I'm not sure what Ford called it. Maybe "that sort of high-powered Mustang thingey". Sounds about right to me...

    But I don't doubt that a Ford kept meticulously in a garage for many years would survive OK; there are still classic cars from the early and mid parts of the 20th century, after all. However the Hondas are still out there after being parked on the street every night and being driven (hard) every day. Assuming good maintenance, of course.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,638
    Let's lighten it up a bit for the season shall we? Thanks,

    Steve, Host.

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    Minivan fan. Feel free to message or email me - stever@edmunds.com.

  • In Scape's defense, I think he actually meant "SVO". Those were the ones that packed the 4-cyl Turbos that were good for about 150hp at the time. That motor also could be found in the T-bird Turbos that (for their time)would eat a LOT of cars on the strip. They weren't exactly pinnacles of reliability, so 140k on Scapes' example must have been a VERY WELL cared for car.

    BTW, a high mileage Mustang is not a hard thing to find, they are out there and they are one of the better models that Ford has produced over the years as far as reliability goes. Same goes for the Taurus, the Explorer, etc (which I know a few personally), models that Ford produced high numbers of. Its just that they built SO many, that finding a lemon here and there is also not a difficult feat.
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    Geesh! Excuse me for the typo! I meant Ford Mustang SVO! Now go do some web searching on that! This was a beautiful car. For those in the Honda clan that say Fords just don't last, this car would make you eat your words if you could see it.
    Yeah, kind of funny how that works. You don't believe anything I say, I don't believe what you say.. Funny huh?
    I say Honda is overrated, over hyped, over priced.
    I own 3 homes by the way..:-}
    Another case in point. Motor Trend recently did a comparo on the Camry, Accord, Fusion. In this comparo they claimed the interior was on par with the Camry and Accord. Yet in the issue for car of the year they claim the interior plastics are "cheap" on the Fusion. I wrote to Motor Trend and gave them word for word out of each mag. Asked why all the sudden the flip and contradiction? No answer back yet.. ;)
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,109
    You don't believe anything I say, I don't believe what you say.

    That sounds like a good reason to go into "Let's agree to disagree without being disagreeable" mode. :)

    tidester, host
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,933
    20k on the escape. oil change/tire rotation for the 4th time. at 15k new air and fuel filter. total through 20k about $240.
    pretty good, i think.
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,797
    I asked about station wagons. The Civic Si is not a station wagon.

    Even if it was, the Civic Si's cargo space isn't the same as a CR-V is it? The majority of the other wagons listed also don't have the same amount of capacity as a CR-V.

    You haven't enlightened anyone. You criticize someone for buying a vehicle that you think is wrong. I'm not sure how someone could be more arrogant.

    Have you not realized that we live in a capitalist society with an abundance of choices? You made yours, they made theirs.


    This is my opinion, whether you like it or not: Buying 2WD SUV's is like getting a blind seeing eye dog.

    What is arrogant is your refusal to accept that I have my opinion.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,933
    escapes and cr-v's are like tall wagons. why is a civic sedan ok, but a raised wagon(cr-v) is not ok?
    maybe drive62 should buy a civic wagon. brilliant! :)
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