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  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Right, it (timing belt replacement) isn't cheap...somewhere between $300 and $400 with water pump and labor. Lucky for me, it wasn't my car when this was done, but my grandmother's. She gave it to me shortly thereafter on my 15th Bday as a gift.
  • steverstever Ex Yooper, just arrived in New MexicoPosts: 40,547
    Ok Varmint, you qualify. :shades:

    Now, what was your TCO for those 7 years?

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  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    Hmmm... lemme see...

    $500 because I was dumb and got the distributor wet while cleaning out the engine bay. (Off-roading in the mud suddenly got expensive.)

    2 new sets of wiper blades. What do those go for?

    5 new tires. (4 replaced when they wore out. 1 replaced due to a gash in the sidewall.) I think those tires ran about $77 each.

    Oil changes every 4-5K miles. Call it 25 changes at approx $33 bucks per change... $825.

    I'd have to check my receipts for the cost of brake pad replacement. I changed the rear diff fluid twice. Plus air filters and other scheduled maintenance.

    I averaged 25+ mpg over the life of the vehicle, so I probably killed about 4,560 dinosaurs. The price of dino juice has varied over the years, but if we used today's prices (my area) we're looking at 11,628 freakin' dollars.

    Bought the rig for $19,500.

    That doesn't include the costs for the two rear-enders as those were covered by insurance.
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,213
    Toyota has been in the market for what? A decade?

    Roughly, yes. About how long Hyundai has been in any market and look at them now. Like I said, it doesn't take long anymore. Why do you think everyone is so worried about China now?

    And Toyota would bring the total number of competitors in the field to four. The number of nameplates in the mid-size sedan market is something like three or four times that of the big truck market. And that market has been competitive since the dawn of the automobile.

    The number of competitors in the mid-size car market is so big because companies like Ford and GM have multiple entries. The margin isn't so wide when you look at it that way.
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,797
    Roughly, yes. About how long Hyundai has been in any market and look at them now. Like I said, it doesn't take long anymore. Why do you think everyone is so worried about China now?

    Hyundai has been selling in the US for 20 years now. Anyone remember Hyundai Excel? What a POS it was.

    The best they can do so far is to copy Accord's rear end and Camry's front end styling and call it their bread and butter warrior.
  • drive62drive62 Posts: 637
    The best they can do so far is to copy Accord's rear end and Camry's front end styling and call it their bread and butter warrior.

    And they do it at a significantly lower price point, with a longer warranty, etc.

    What exactly does a car from 20 years ago have to do with the brand today? Isn't that what many say here about domestic products? 20 (actually probably 30 or more) people said similar things about Honda vehicles.

    Hyundai, IMHO is a formidable competitor to Honda.
  • drive62drive62 Posts: 637
    Back to topic.

    From an article in USA Today. I guess those Hybrids aren't moving.

    Last week, Ford announced nationwide zero-percent financing for its Escape Hybrid sport-utility vehicle. Mazda is offering an 0.9% annual percentage rate on some of its models, Toprak says.
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,213
    From an article in USA Today. I guess those Hybrids aren't moving.

    Part of that article should have been about the Highlander Hybrid as well. Both it and the Escape Hybrid appear to be too high priced for many consumers right now and the incentives are starting to kick in. It was only a matter of time.
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,213
    265 HP!

    Note it's on regular 87 too. No mention that it will appear in the Escape as usual.
  • drive62drive62 Posts: 637
    The article was about how to save money in an era of rising interest rates. It wasn't about Hybrids. USA Today used Ford and Mazda's low rates as an example of how you can still find low rates.

    AFAIK Toyota isn't offering zero percent financing on any model.
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,213
    I thought you were referring to this USA Today article. Posting a link would have helped. ;)

    AFAIK Toyota isn't offering zero percent financing on any model.

    No they're not and I never said they were actually.
  • drive62drive62 Posts: 637
    OT: You mentioned "incentives" so I thought you were saying there were incentives on the Highlander Hybrid (which there might be).

    Speaking of Hybrids, found this one:

    http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/060413/auto_show_hybrids.html?.v=2

    Seems you are right, the larger hybrids aren't selling. Buyers don't think they save enough. While the Civic Hybrid sales are up and now account for 8 percent of total Civic sales, Honda may cut production of the Accord Hybrid.
  • drive62drive62 Posts: 637
    OT (Somewhat)

    I find it interesting that someone keeps shouting to "buy American" yet doesn't think buying a "foreign" brand produced in the U.S. helps our economy.

    Well "buying American" didn't help these people keep their jobs.

    http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/060413/ford_plant_closures.html?.v=8
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
    Some of you may be interested in these discussion:

    Buying American Cars: What Does It Mean?

    What will it take for consumers to buy American brands??

    Let's stick with discussing the vehicles themselves here and leave the broader questions to those other forums.

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,695
    speaking of insurance, i wonder how it compares between the 2. everyone knows which two i am referencing.
    the escape, as a daily driver, 14 mile one way commute is less than my same year focus, also a daily driver commute distance the same.
    with all these owners that are concerned about 0-60, maybe they can try to get on an episode of 'PINKS'. :)
  • drive62drive62 Posts: 637
    Let's stick with discussing the vehicles themselves here and leave the broader questions to those other forums.

    I hope this qualifies. Good thing they still don't use the slogan "Safety is Job 1".

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060413/ap_on_bi_ge/ford_recall_1
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
    Good thing they still don't use the slogan "Safety is Job 1".

    I thought that was "Quality is Job 1." But if quality is "conformance to customer requirements" and customers require safety then I suppose they are synonymous. :)

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  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,213
    All that to protect people who DON'T wear their seatbelts? Nice. :sick:
  • dromedariusdromedarius Posts: 307
    Yes, but if Ford offered standard side and curtain airbags in their vehicles, this wouldn't be an issue.

    :cry:
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,213
    Side curtains don't protect your head from the A-Pillar when you're not wearing a seatbelt. Not even in a Honda.
  • dromedariusdromedarius Posts: 307
    That's not what the article says. It says they are only recalling Escapes which don't have curtain airbags. If the padding were a problem on vehicles which have curtain airbags, they would be recalling them, too, but they aren't.
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    once again the Honda folks blow this way out of proportion.. did you even notice not one claim has even been filed? Ford is being pro-active and trying to show people they care about safety. Unlike Honda and it fire storm.. with the CRV fires.. they just swept this under the carpet..
  • dromedariusdromedarius Posts: 307
    How can this be blown out of proportion? If they offered standard side curtain airbags like Honda does, this wouldn't be a problem. It's yet another area Ford hasn't been able to figure out. That's what happens when you only redesign your vehicles every 7 or 8 years (or more). You get a vehicle which is out of date, like the Escape.

    ;)
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    I read my old 2002 Motor Trend today, and read the road test digest, which had acceleration numbers for both a 4Auto Escape V6 XLT, and an 4A CR-V EX. The Escape ran to 60 in 9.0 sec, and the CR-V did it in 8.9 sec (it was before the 5-spd auto, too). Just interesting, although somewhat irrelevant since they were 2001 and 2002 models.

    So, it ISN'T just the manual CR-V that can outrun an Escape (or keep up with, anyway). The auto did then, and with the added gear, should now too.
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,797
    I read my old 2002 Motor Trend today, and read the road test digest, which had acceleration numbers for both a 4Auto Escape V6 XLT, and an 4A CR-V EX. The Escape ran to 60 in 9.0 sec, and the CR-V did it in 8.9 sec (it was before the 5-spd auto, too). Just interesting, although somewhat irrelevant since they were 2001 and 2002 models.

    So, it ISN'T just the manual CR-V that can outrun an Escape (or keep up with, anyway). The auto did then, and with the added gear, should now too.


    Thank you!

    I am sure certain someone will just chuck it to the "Honda Conspiracy" anyway.
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,213
    That's not what the article says.

    Yes it is. The sentence below is straight from the article.

    Escapes without the side curtains have a harder material under the plastic trim piece and they need to soften it up for people who don't wear their seat belts. Furthermore the area in question can come into play in a frontal collision where the curtains won't even be deployed, standard or not.

    "Ford said it encourages all drivers and passengers to wear seat belts and 'a belted occupant is not likely to contact the area of the vehicle that is in question.'"
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,213
    Wait!!!!

    I was too late to edit my last post so I'll amend it here. Somewhere along this conversation line I jumped off track and skipped a post. My last post was in reference to my original and does not really refute anything you said.

    So yes, standard side curtains would have made the recall unnecessary (maybe this will open their eyes and make is so for the next MY). Side curtains however, do not save an unbelted person from banging his/her head off of a part of the frame which is my argument. Since peple who wear their seat belts are unlikely to strike the area in question side curtains matter not in the injury side of the equation.

    Hopefully that was clearer! ;)
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    That data actually comes from a TruckTrend comparison test of the CR-V, Escape, Freelander, and RAV4. They are obviously sister magazines and share data.

    In the TruckTrend article, they give the nod to the CR-V in terms of real world acceleration, as well measured tests. I don't have an exact quote, but they were talking about using the acceleration lane to merge onto a highway.

    However, TT also did another comparo where they got 8.5 seconds out of a 4AT Escape. So, testing results will vary based on the vehicle and conditions.

    Of course, in that 2nd comparo, they used a 5MT CR-V (good for 8.1 seconds) which was described as feeling like a V6.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    However, TT also did another comparo where they got 8.5 seconds out of a 4AT Escape. So, testing results will vary based on the vehicle and conditions.

    Yes, but if it had anything to do with temp, the CR-V would have reflected a similar shift in numbers, since the CRV and Escape were tested together in the previously mentioned test (8.9, 9.0 sec). In like conditions, the CRV was a nip quicker.
  • steverstever Ex Yooper, just arrived in New MexicoPosts: 40,547
    Here's another TCO link; The CR-V leads, but guess who's right behind?

    Top 10 SUVs With the Lowest TCO for 2006


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