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CR-V vs Escape

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  • drive62drive62 Posts: 637
    One of my father's several 60's Chevy wagons (Honda, Toyota and Datsun were still in their infancy in the US, he had yet to give up the domestics) like you say the tailgate opened sideways and down like a pick up truck. I think most of them in that era did that. And yes the glass slid down; turning the key a certain way did it IIRC. Being the youngest I was always relegated to the "back back" as we called it. I enjoyed it but thinking back on it, it wasn't very safe.
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,221
    You didn't specifically mention the engine stalling. One of the Escape's numerous documented problems. I don't know if they ever figured it out.

    They did. A recall was issued to fix it about three years ago.
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,844
    "Being the youngest I was always relegated to the "back back" as we called it. I enjoyed it but thinking back on it, it wasn't very safe."

    Well, for most collisions it wasn't that bad. IIRC, those seats faced backwards, which would have help stop the kids in a forward accident. But in general I agree, it was a bit dangerous. Not that I ever heard of an incident in which the "back back" passengers were injured...
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,221
    You were also surrounded by a truck frame and what seemed like tons of sheet metal and chrome. Those rear doors were about two feet thick too.

    I'm sure there's a good reason why we don't see seats like that anymore though. ;)
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,911
    hey baggs...
    while the cr-v owners were arguing with the escape owners about the rear access, honda was listening and agreed with us. :)
  • dromedariusdromedarius Posts: 307
    And Ford is planning on discontinuing the Escape...what does that say???

    :confuse:
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,911
    if they do, they will introduce another vehicle that will also outsell the cr-v? :)
  • dromedariusdromedarius Posts: 307
    Are they going to offer huge rebates and questionable reliability, or are they going to fix that???

    :surprise:
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Yes they will, with $2,000 checks in the glovebox like they do now?
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,911
    took the escape in for 25k service today. oil change and tire rotation. they tried to get me for an air filter and fuel filter. the air filter looked dirty, when when i said 'wasn't the fuel filter changed at 15k?', the sa looked at some papers and said 'oh yeah, i missed that'.
    it did need an air filter, so i had then put that in ($20 installed).
    regarding rebates, etc... after the rebate, the cr-v ex and escape xlt are pretty close pricewise.
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    UH, did you forget, engine fires were and still are the CRV??.... :P
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    Here we go again.. Why is it ok to bring up issues that are 3-4 years old now? Yes, they solved the stalling issues on the Escape/Tribute years ago. At least Ford solved the problem.. unlike the Fire issues with the CRV..
    Swept that one under the rug really fast, great PR job by Honda.. if have to say..
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    "And Ford is planning on discontinuing the Escape...what does that say??? "

    Once again a Honda clan member with wrong information.. Spreading rumors and stories..Escape is NOT being discontinued... ;)
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    Yes, I can hold a bag of groceries and reach up and pull my hatch down in my garage, with my Escape.
    Sure would like to see CRV owners unload parked parallel between two cars.. not going to happen we all know this.
    Second, why is it if this design is so superior would Honda change it? After all it is a "progressive" company is it? Fact is the IIHS crashtests with the rear bumper, glass imploding inward on impact stories have caught up with Honda. They are on the net in other chat rooms where people have been rear ended and its not a pretty story. Yes, you can quote crash test ratings all day long, but the rear mounted spare just doesn't work, along with a swinging gate..
    Also, noticed how the CRV group tried to sweep under the carpet how the TCO of the Escape is right behind the CRV. Guess they now have to stop spreading misinformation on how unreliable and bad quality the Escape is, since the evidence is staring them right in the face that says otherwise.. :P
  • dromedariusdromedarius Posts: 307
    Also, noticed how the CRV group tried to sweep under the carpet how the TCO of the Escape is right behind the CRV.

    NUMERICALLY, as in 1-10, it is right behind the CR-V. It's still $2,000 behind, though. That's like saying I finish the race two laps ahead of you and you are "right" behind me. I only got through Calc 2 back in my undergrad days; regardless, $2,000 is $2,000.

    ;)
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,109
    I only got through Calc 2 back in my undergrad days; regardless, $2,000 is $2,000.

    Well, that's your problem! You have to get all the way through Calc 3 to fully appreciate the nuance and subtlety. ;)

    tidester, host
  • dromedariusdromedarius Posts: 307
    Doh! Although in my defense, $2,000 may as well be a million dollars until I get another raise.

    :blush:
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,911
    in connecticut, you pay property tax based on the 'nada' value. this can be way out of whack, but it costs real money.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,109
    Ouch! And aren't gas prices there well above the national average too?

    tidester, host
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,911
    i posted in interesting breakdown of the cost of gas in connecticut over on 'report your local gas prices'.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,109
    Great report - thanks!

    tidester, host
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    $2,000 easily made up in lower price for Escape, lower APR offered AND rebates... :P
  • dromedariusdromedarius Posts: 307
    No, because it already includes the price and the rebates. As for APR, that depends on your credit. So again, no it isn't easily made up.

    ;)
  • sky23213sky23213 Posts: 296
    You forgot the "Scratch and Save" we all received from Ford. Would that be a rebate, or TCOR (TCO Reduction) :P.
    How did I receive it? As an insert with my vehicle registration renewal, sent from the State DMV/DVS. As mentioned earlier here, Ford needs all the help they could get. Sad...
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,797
    Yes, I can hold a bag of groceries and reach up and pull my hatch down in my garage, with my Escape.
    Sure would like to see CRV owners unload parked parallel between two cars.. not going to happen we all know this.
    Second, why is it if this design is so superior would Honda change it? After all it is a "progressive" company is it? Fact is the IIHS crashtests with the rear bumper, glass imploding inward on impact stories have caught up with Honda. They are on the net in other chat rooms where people have been rear ended and its not a pretty story. Yes, you can quote crash test ratings all day long, but the rear mounted spare just doesn't work, along with a swinging gate..
    Also, noticed how the CRV group tried to sweep under the carpet how the TCO of the Escape is right behind the CRV. Guess they now have to stop spreading misinformation on how unreliable and bad quality the Escape is, since the evidence is staring them right in the face that says otherwise..


    If you are all about the truth, what about Escape's:

    Wheels falling off?

    Doors openning during cornering?

    Hatch latches not working and openning upon acceleration?

    Wiper motors catching on fire?

    Prematurely Corroding suspension parts?

    ...


    And most importantly, Escape's inability to beat CR-V to 60 in manual or Automatic form and inability to match CR-V's fuel economy?
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,797
    $2,000 easily made up in lower price for Escape, lower APR offered AND rebates...

    Comparable equipped Escape shows over and over to be more expensive (including the rebate) than comparable equipped CR-V.

    Doesn't onw only get the rebate or low finance rate with Ford, NOT BOTH?
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,552
    I've seen it both ways, but most often you can't combine incentives. Right now the $2,000 Escape Customer Cash incentive can not be combined with 0.0% - 5.9% APR in my zip code per the Incentives & Rebates page.

    Steve, Host

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    Minivan fan. Feel free to message or email me - stever@edmunds.com.

  • drive62drive62 Posts: 637
    Gee I guess I'll tell you for (at least) the HUNDRETH time.

    The CR-V fires were caused by technician error.

    Unlike the Escape and it's stalling engine, the CR-V had no recall related to the fire issue.

    I know, it was all a conspiracy.
  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Posts: 4,182
    Wiper motors catching fire? I thought it was faulty fuel lines that could spark and catch fire. Maybe it was both ;) Wheels falling off? How long has America been building automobiles? C'mon the lessons have been learned 10x over and yet you couldn't even count on the wheels staying on ;) :mad: ... But those problems happened long ago so they really aren't relevant to the current product.

    It really is too bad the Escape twins had such a rough launch, you'd think they were reincarnations of the Chevy Citation given the rate that the recalls appeared... and for such stupid stuff. They ride and drive quite well, and for a 5 year old design, I think its held up pretty well.

    It certainly isn't a Cheapuinox which is a nast little turd wrapped in a pretty wrapper. THAT thing is atrocious, makes a Ford Escape seem built like a Benz in comparison.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Yes, I can hold a bag of groceries and reach up and pull my hatch down in my garage, with my Escape.

    That's nice, and it works for you, which is good. The point I've tried to make, which is seemingly ignored from certain folks, is that different hatch designs appeal to different people. We cannot open any kind of hatch (other than a Honda Fit, probably!) in our garage due to the fact that we have a split level house, and our hatch doesn't clear the garage door. With the side-open door of the 2002-current CR-V, we could open the door slightly (maybe 20-30 degrees, slide in and get whatever we needed out of the back...flipping the glass was no problem either if we were pulled in far enough...but no normal hatch would work for us.

    I DO understand its benefits AND its flaws, but when my folks park in a deck for work and a garage at home, there's not really a worry about what happens when you paralell park.
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