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CR-V vs Escape

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  • drive62drive62 Posts: 637
    Sure would like to see CRV owners unload parked parallel between two cars.. not going to happen we all know this.

    I assume you are talking about long items.

    How exactly would someone unload something long like a ladder from an Escape when parallel parked? The lift up hatch makes no difference. The other vehicle will block you. Absolutely no advantage for long items when parked in front of someone. Another perceived advantage nixed.

    For smaller items the CR-V owner could flip up the glass and reach in.
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,803
    Sure would like to see CRV owners unload parked parallel between two cars.. not going to happen we all know this.

    I would like to see an Escape owner carry something that is longer than the cargo area of the vehicle, like a 26 foot ladder (13 feet collapsed) I had to carry home. Luckily in the CR-V the glass opens. I had the rest of the items from Home Depot secured behind the rear door, while the ladder was sticking out the rear hatch (with a red rag to warn people behind me).

    I visit my parents in the Bronx quite often. I would like to see an Escape owner park in the spots that I can get CR-V into. And once I am in the spot, I have no problem retreiving items from the cargo hold, either through the door or the window.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,622
    my guess is, 'scape or i would put their ladder on the roof rack crossbars. if you can't reach the rear crossbar to fasten it down, step up on the rear bumper. if you can't reach the front crossbar, open the rear passenger door and step up on the sill.
    the escape rear hatch doesn't need a lot of room behind it to open at the beginning of the arc. it is only fully extended at the top of the arc. ours has a pull in each side to assist closing it, along with a flip open window.
    very practical for just about everyone (except 'grad). 'gotcha buddy. ;)
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    :) thanks!

    I didn't know that the Escape had a flip up window, or I would have noted its merit, also!
  • dromedariusdromedarius Posts: 307
    the escape rear hatch doesn't need a lot of room behind it to open at the beginning of the arc. it is only fully extended at the top of the arc.

    Ahhh...that's pretty much how doors work. They aren't fully open until they are fully open. I have yet to see a door whose arc is wider when it begins to open than when it is fully opened.

    ;)
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,785
    "Gee I guess I'll tell you for (at least) the HUNDRETH time.

    The CR-V fires were caused by technician error. "

    Yes, they human error. However the original post was correct, there was a fire posted for a 2006 EX on Edmunds recently. Apparently it wasn't a dealer oil change.

    I think that Honda could have put a shield or something over the exhaust parts (something that wouldn't get too hot, and would divert the oil if it leaked). However, that would have required admitting a design "deficiency", and opening up to lawsuits, etc. Plus a recall, of course.

    Since it was human error that caused the fires, they didn't attempt any mods (or maybe it can't be done with the Gen 2 design). IMHO, they should have addressed this issue straight on when it happened, to ensure confidence in the Gen 2 CR-V, which had another 2 years of production ahead of it.

    I owned a 2003 CR-V; 8 oil changes and no smoke when I sold it... :shades: I prefer the CR-V to the Escape, but I think we owners (and former owners) should be honest about what happens to our vehicles.

    In comparison with the Escape, I rather doubt that an Escape with a double gasket would catch fire. Any Escape owners want to try it out? Of course, it would ruin the engine to run it without oil.
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    Where are you getting your information??
    Wheels falling off?? thats a new one.. LOL!@
    Tell you what, go to Google, type in Honda CRV problems.. and you'll get your bubble burst in about .2seconds..
    Prematurely Corroding suspension parts?? thats even better.. I live in the Northwest. As you know we get lots, and lots of rain, snow, ice.. After 5 years my 01 Escape shows no sign of these corroding parts.. I also use my little SUV as an SUV. I tow two watercraft, visit skii areas and search for fishing spots in the Cascade range.. Ever heard of MT St Helens? or MT Hood? Jefferson??
    0-60.. obvious you believe only the stats you want to believe. My Escape has been used and put through the guantlet.. I know more than many of the CRV owners on this board have in their vehicles... ;)
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    If these Honda folks would get out of Edmunds and onto the internet they would see there are people with CRV's still having smelly issues with their engines.
    In fact, didn't we go over this before? Honda did a great job in sweeping it under the carpet. Another point, didn't a Honda fan fess up and say Honda did change the engine oil filter position for 04 or 05 model years?? the filter is now away from the exhaust areas?? Hmm... But hey, it has a silver "H" on it and its ok. Its a progressive company right?? right... ;)
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    "didn't know that the Escape had a flip up window, or I would have noted its merit, also! "
    Proves that Honda fanatics don't do their homework.. The Escape has many other attributes you may not be aware of..
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Easy, killer...I was trying to be nice.
  • drive62drive62 Posts: 637
    obvious (sic) you believe only the stats you want to believe.

    That's the pot calling the kettle black if I ever heard it.

    You don't believe the experts in the field, the magazines, the automotive review programs who consistently rank the CR-V higher than the Escape, who consistently show that the CR-V outaccelerates the Escape, etc.

    Since those are REAL stats why shouldn't they be believed?

    You only believe yourself. Of course, you are right and every review, magazine, television program, etc. is wrong, LOL. Sorry to tell you but your n=1 experience with your vehicle means nothing.
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,212
    I would like to see an Escape owner carry something that is longer than the cargo area of the vehicle, like a 26 foot ladder (13 feet collapsed) I had to carry home. Luckily in the CR-V the glass opens. I had the rest of the items from Home Depot secured behind the rear door, while the ladder was sticking out the rear hatch (with a red rag to warn people behind me).

    As duly noted several times now, the Escape does have a separate opening rear glass portion of the hatch. I have done something similar to what you did with your ladder (little red flag and all) plus I also hauled a mattress home in the rear of the Escape while it hung out of the lower part of the hatch. It was too wide to fit through the glass without bending it so since the hatch could be lifted a few inches and tied to the tow hitch I was able to keep it off the roof. Can't do that with the CR-V's side-swinging door.
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,785
    "Another point, didn't a Honda fan fess up and say Honda did change the engine oil filter position for 04 or 05 model years?? the filter is now away from the exhaust areas??"

    No, I think you are confusing the Gen1 to Gen 2 change, where the engine was rotated 180 degrees. There have been no engine changes in the CR-V since 2002.
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,785
    "Proves that Honda fanatics don't do their homework.. The Escape has many other attributes you may not be aware of.."

    Which unfortunately don't include stability control, which was the deciding factor in my not buying a 2006 Escape Hybrid. The vehicle felt tippy even at low speed (compared to a CR-V, that is). Stability is not even offered, much less optional.

    I don't think it has curtain airbags available either.

    So I am in a 2006 Freestyle. :shades:
  • drive62drive62 Posts: 637
    Bottom line, sales for the small SUVs including CR-V and Escape are up. Interesting and OT, other Honda truck sales are up while Ford's other truck sales are down.

    http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Story.aspx?guid=%7BADFFBCFA%2DD77D%2D42C2%- 2DA563%2D3BE720AAB606%7D&source=blq%2Fyhoo&dist=yhoo&siteid=yhoo
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,212
    I don't think it has curtain airbags available either.


    Last time I checked it did, just not standard. Yet.

    On another note, the Edge will have side seat and curtain airbags along with Ford's (actually Volvo's) AdvanceTrac with RSC system all standard. Not to mention the 265 HP Duratec35 with 6-Speed ATX too.

    I don't know about any of you but I'd pay $32k for a loaded Edge over $30k for a loaded Escape any day.

    Ford is also making side bags and curtains standard on a lot of it's cars next year so I'd expect them to be that way across the board (maybe not in the bigger truck based models) very soon. The Fusion is already confirmed and I IIRC the Freestyle and Five Hundred will get them for MY08 after a short MY07 run.
  • dromedariusdromedarius Posts: 307
    If these Honda folks would get out of Edmunds and onto the internet they would see there are people with CRV's still having smelly issues with their engines.

    I'm not going to lie scape, sometimes you really make me chuckle. You keep countering our arguments that the Escape has quality problems with your own escalating mileage totals, despite the documented problems all over the web. On the otherhand, you tell us the CR-V has all sorts of problems despite our firsthand accounts and the rave reviews it has all over the web. Which is it? You can't have it both ways.

    ;)
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,622
    my point is, the hatch can still be opened ALL THE WAY if someone is parked behind an escape, even if there is not a lot of room between vehicles. i hope that is an explanation everyone can understand.
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    Well, you make me chuckle too...
    "despite the documented problems all over the web". But, you don't go out on the web and see the issues with the CRV?
    I never said the CRV has "all sorts of problems" What I am saying is the CRV is not as perfect as some so wish to believe. If people would get out of Edmunds and go to other rooms they would see this.
    On the other hand, Honda folks want so badly for everyone to believe the Ford Escape is a vehicle that is problematic. Not so. Proven under the new TCO right here at Edmunds. and if you visit MSN reliability data under thier car segment you will see also it would prove again...
    Fact is the internet is proving that Honda's are not as perfect as the media leads everyone to believe. This is a sore spot with those that paid the extra $$$ for this title of silver "H" and is sure makes some unhappy when the truth is out...
    I have never said Honda doesn't make good vehicles. What I am saying is thier are vehicles built that are every bit as good for less money now.. Got to love the free market. It was only a matter of time for this to happen.
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    For every "expert" I can find another "expert" that says something contrary..
    There are stats that show Escape 0-60 numbers quicker than an automatic CRV.
    Besides, what you don't seem to understand is with a 5spd you have much more control over when you shift than in an automatic. In order to achieve the 0-60 numbers posted you have to redline the he... out of the CRV. I have done it in a CRV I know. With an automatic you are unable to rev the heck out of the engine through all gears. Now do you understand?? :confuse:
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    With an automatic you are unable to rev the heck out of the engine through all gears

    I think drive62 has a better grasp on how an automatic works.

    I don't know what automatic you drive that shifts well below redline as you say they do if the throttle isn't floored. Shoot, my 1996 Accord I-4 4-speed Auto will still shoot over 6,000 RPM (Redline is 6,300 RPM in that car) if you floor it and hold it up to a shift point (38MPH, 77MPH, don't know about higer speed-shift points). If your Auto-equipped Escape doesn't operate in this manner, then you need to have your transmission inspected and fixed, because it should rev to near, if not at, redline, when floored in a standing acceleration run. I hope your car doesn't have problems, and instead, you are mistaken about how an automatic works when going at WOT.
  • midwesttradermidwesttrader Posts: 291
    Hey Scape I checked out that MSN reliability data like you suggested:

    '06 CR-V MSN Ratings 8.3/9.6 CR Score 73
    "The CR-V is one of the better car-based SUVs on the market and is competitively priced. The four-cylinder engine is more energetic, refined, and economical than some competitors' V6s. The five-speed automatic transmission is very smooth and responsive. Road noise is our only complaint. Crash-test results are impressive."

    http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/Reliability.aspx?year=2006&make=Honda&model=CR- - -V&trimid=-1

    '06 Escape MSN Rating 7.4/9.4 CR Score 61
    "We do not recommend the Escape because of a tip-up in the government rollover test. The hybrid has above-average reliability while the regular version has been average."

    http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/Reliability.aspx?year=2006&make=Ford&model=Esc- - ape&trimid=-1
  • drive62drive62 Posts: 637
    We do not recommend the Escape because of a tip-up in the government rollover test.

    Consumer Reports reported this almost two years ago. Posted it here and basically no repsonse.
  • drive62drive62 Posts: 637
    For every "expert" I can find another "expert" that says something contrary..

    Feel free to post them. One of your recent suggestions for finding information already proves you wrong.

    Motor Trend, Car and Driver, Consumer Reports and Motorweek are all pretty respectable publications/review programs. As I said, feel free to post these other "experts" but if it's Bob Bumpas from the Picayune Times it ain't gonna cut it (no offense to Bob or Picayune ;) ).
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,803
    Motor Trend, Car and Driver, Consumer Reports and Motorweek are all pretty respectable publications/review programs.

    In Scape's defence: "It is all a conspiracy on part of Honda to brainwash Americans into believing that Honda products are the best. See, Hond ahad this plan to build great and very reliable cars in the 80's, and now that everyone believes that Honda builds great cars, they just market utter cow dung, and then bribe the editors at all these magazines and website to say that it is better than competition. Conspiracy, I tell you!"

    I bet you JFK and Jimmy Hoffa are laughing their behinds off on some remote paradise island sipping margaritas. Their only fear is that Scape will figure them out next.
  • dromedariusdromedarius Posts: 307
    I don't know what automatic you drive that shifts well below redline as you say they do if the throttle isn't floored. Shoot, my 1996 Accord I-4 4-speed Auto will still shoot over 6,000 RPM (Redline is 6,300 RPM in that car) if you floor it and hold it up to a shift point (38MPH, 77MPH, don't know about higer speed-shift points). If your Auto-equipped Escape doesn't operate in this manner, then you need to have your transmission inspected and fixed, because it should rev to near, if not at, redline, when floored in a standing acceleration run. I hope your car doesn't have problems, and instead, you are mistaken about how an automatic works when going at WOT.

    Exactly. If your automatic transmission doesn't hold revs until the redline it isn't working correctly. Also, like I said before, you can't tout 200 hp all the time if you never rev about 4000 rpm, cuz guess what, you ain't makin' 200 horses @ 4000 rpm. You ain't even at the torque peak. Not in an Escape, at least.

    ;)

    PS - I was riding with a buddy in an M3 today and guess what...he was REDLINING it THROUGH the GEARS! Through second gear, at least. It didn't even blow up. In fact, it was pretty fun!!!

    :P
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    The revised Mercury Mariner looks like an Escape with makeup on its face.
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  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    Of course once again.. you post all the negatives about the Escape and positives about the CRV.. Gee, you fail to menion the overall reliability of the Escape compared to the CRV? why? :confuse:
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    Why doesn't it surprise me, that another Honda fan would only believe another Honda fan on what he knows about transmissions.. surprise! :sick:
    There is nothing wrong with my transmission. Yet another Honda spoof. My car does redline but it doesn't "Hold" it like you can with a 5spd. Do you guys know how to drive a 5spd? I used to race and build Hot rods in my younger years by the way. So, I do know plenty about transmissions/HP/torque/Torque curves ect.. But.. Hey I'm a Ford fan, I don't know anyting right!?? ;)
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    This kind of sounds like the never ending fairy tale of Honda's legendary reliability, you keep hearing about in the media, yet the internet chat rooms you find plenty of peeved of Honda owners.. Who do you believe?.
    Ever wonder why so few people know about the Honda transmission issues? I can't tell you how many people I have had to point this out to, that knew absolutely nothing about it. And what about the absolutely fall on your face debut of the Odessey?? This vehicle had so many problems its first year, yet still won best mini-van?? The Escape had issues and it was plastered all over the news, papers, internet ect.. What about the Honda Pilot that left the Edmunds reviewer stranded?? LOL@! Its ok though because the media tells you its ok, and it has the silver "H" on the hood, really its ok...
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